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Magi

21. Posted:

Is there no other news outlet than Fox? Some of you are talking as if it's the only way on this earth to get your news. I'd wager that for each of us that are on the "FOXNEWS IS GOD!" bandwagon, there's another one that's on the "ZOMG FOXNEWS IS TEH SUX!!!111!1one!1!". What type of lemming do you want to be?

I dislike Obama for my own reasons. I don't even watch Fox News (or hardly any other news for that matter). Unfortunately, as soon as I mention that I don't like the dude, there's always some "lemming" there to jump on me for being republican (which I'm not) or conservative (which I'm not) or racist (which I'm not) or whatever other bs excuse they can come up with (which I'm probably not).

Cult of personality FTL.

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The_Fox

22. Posted:

Magi wrote:

Is there no other news outlet than Fox? Some of you are talking as if it's the only way on this earth to get your news. I'd wager that for each of us that are on the "FOXNEWS IS GOD!" bandwagon, there's another one that's on the "ZOMG FOXNEWS IS TEH SUX!!!111!1one!1!". What type of lemming do you want to be?

I dislike Obama for my own reasons. I don't even watch Fox News (or hardly any other news for that matter). Unfortunately, as soon as I mention that I don't like the dude, there's always some "lemming" there to jump on me for being republican (which I'm not) or conservative (which I'm not) or racist (which I'm not) or whatever other bs excuse they can come up with (which I'm probably not).

Cult of personality FTL.

Why did I mention Fox News? Becasue it was by far the worst outlet (as usual) for stiring up controversy using both things they made up and "facts" they had in a dream once.
As for being jumped on for being conservative, welcome to my world through the Bush years. I got labeled as being unpatriotic, or even more idiotic, as trying to hurt the troops by questioning him.

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The_Fox

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ODOGG618 wrote:

Where are the moderators? Politics on a video game site? What's next?

Don't worry, if the past is any inidicator someone will take it too far soon and this one will get locked.

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brandonbwii

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ODOGG618 wrote:

Where are the moderators? Politics on a video game site? What's next?

I actually like the discussion more on a site like this. In other sites (like news outlet) forum it can become more unpleasent and will turn into a party and/or race war really fast.

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Vendetta

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brandonbwii wrote:

ODOGG618 wrote:

Where are the moderators? Politics on a video game site? What's next?

I actually like the discussion more on a site like this. In other sites (like news outlet) forum it can become more unpleasent and will turn into a party and/or race war really fast.

But it does happen here too, sadly - 6 posts in, to be exact. Mind the authors and you'll spot trends.

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Jockolantern

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Of all the news networks I care to even remotely trust, it's Fox. MSNBC is an out-and-out joke whose credibility has been permanently destroyed, CNN is linguini-spined and I don't even care to mention the archaic existences of ABC, CBS, and NBC and their own miserable excuses for "reporting." I certainly take plenty of exception with certain anchors on Fox News, but I at least know they're willing to tell the whole story to let me make up my own mind, regardless of the bias of any individual host.

As for Obama's school speech, the precedent of the whole thing was rather egotistical and unnerving. And I seem to remember the Democrats giving George H. W. Bush all kinds of hell for making a similar speech to just one school back during his single term as president. I say leave the teaching to teachers and especially parents. As President of the United States, he certainly has bigger issues on his plate... especially now. And besides, the more he can get himself OFF the TV nowadays, the better. It's becoming The Obama Comedy Hour almost every other day seemingly; overexposure is just as bad as underexposure.

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Magi

27. Posted:

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As for being jumped on for being conservative, welcome to my world through the Bush years. I got labeled as being unpatriotic, or even more idiotic, as trying to hurt the troops by questioning him.

I couldn't stand him either. I'm an equal opportunity hater. :)

edit after seeing the post above mine: My favorite news outlet is....drum roll please....NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO! I wonder if that makes me an old fogey

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The_Fox

28. Posted:

@Jockolantern
" but I at least know they're willing to tell the whole story to let me make up my own mind"
Deeply disturbing if you don't think their bias invades almost every part of theur broadcast. To an extent you can claim that about all of the news outlets, but Fox News is on a whole other level of poor journalism.

@Magi
I actually listen to NPR from time to time as well. I can't listen to it on the radio on long road trips or it puts me to sleep, but its great in short bursts.

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Jockolantern

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@The Fox
"Deeply disturbing if you don't think their bias invades almost every part of theur broadcast. To an extent you can claim that about all of the news outlets, but Fox News is on a whole other level of poor journalism."

Be deeply disturbed all you like. Really doesn't matter to me. I'll still take them over MSNBC's "to an extent" flagrant liberal butt-kissing. Puke-worthy stuff. Besides, my own intellect can pretty well make the call better than any single news network, so I'll stick to that as I always have. The news the way it is every day now makes video gaming all the more appealing, in any event. I'll take the escape while I still can.

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orlick

30. Posted:

I would not be surprised if Obama had his speech rewrote because of the controversy - that'll show 'em!

Looks like a one term President to me, his leadership has not matched the hype.

Cannot keep the Dems in control the radical left is continuing their overreach and stalling legislative progress - Obama's leadershp on health care 'reform' has been pathetic. It wil be reform in name only, if they manage to pass anything. Cannot wait for the speech tonight Obama and 'specifics' do not compute. You will really see the criticism once he has to finally play his hand and reveal real numbers. (Unless we just have to touch his cloak to be healed, as the media seems to think)

The global environmental 'reforms' have beem laughable as well - but who expected more than lip service?

Finally Obama is following the Bush playbook in Afganistan. That one should really hurt the news media who exploited antiwar protests in a failed attempt to drive Bush Jr from office...

This topic is silly to blame the 'fox news' and 'republicans' for Obamas performance - no one is more disapointed with Obama than true liberals.

But the I am racist republican with a flag pin who watches fox news to reinforce my belief that Family Guy is pure trash. ;) So take it with a grain of salt.

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Vendetta

31. Posted:

Fox, "to an extent?" LOL c'mon, man. Every news outlet has its own slant on the "news." Every last one. Some are just more sensational than others in their demonstrating that slant, while others make a show of pointing fingers at competing outlets and shouting "bias!" And keep in mind, it's not just what's reported, but also what's omitted.

Thinking that any news organization is purely objective should be classified as a mental disorder.

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Jockolantern

32. Posted:

@orlick: You're my kind of conservative, so you're with good company, at least as far as I'm concerned. ;) Conservative gamers unite!

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The_Fox

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Vendetta wrote:

Fox, "to an extent?" LOL c'mon, man. Every news outlet has its own slant on the "news." Every last one. Some are just more sensational than others in their demonstrating that slant, while others make a show of pointing fingers at competing outlets and shouting "bias!" And keep in mind, it's not just what's reported, but also what's omitted.

Thinking that any news organization is purely objective should be classified as a mental disorder.

Oh, I won't argue that they all have their bias (papers, news channels, radio shows, all of them). MSNBC does lean more to the left, no doubt. What is concerning about FOX news is it can't even make any pretext to being fair sided. In addition to the whole tea party mess that they were promoting, they even were given talking points straight from the White House that portrayed Bush in a positive light. Keep in mind, these were only given to Fox News. Just a little odd.

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The_Fox

34. Posted:

orlick wrote:

Finally Obama is following the Bush playbook in Afganistan. That one should really hurt the news media who exploited antiwar protests in a failed attempt to drive Bush Jr from office...
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Huh, I guess the thread will devolve in Obama bashing. Not too surprising, there. To repond to your quote, I guess we should just be lucky that Obama hasn't followed Bush's gameplan in the Middle East too much. After all, he hasn't started a war under false pretenses like Iraq, has he?
Oh, Snap!

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Cheezy

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The one thing he said that I thought was kind of cocky was when he called the Cambridge Police Dept. stupid for arresting a black guy...

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Vendetta

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In addition to the whole tea party mess that they were promoting, they even were given talking points straight from the White House that portrayed Bush in a positive light. Keep in mind, these were only given to Fox News. Just a little odd.

Source? (A credible one, please?)

As for your assertion that Bush started a war under false pretenses, just to be clear, are you saying that Bush knew that the intel corroborated by agencies and agreed upon by leaders of countries across the globe was actually wrong? George Bush reduced the decision to send US troops to Iraq to a deliberate act of willful blindness? Is that what you're saying? President George. W. Bush, fully aware that the intel was wrong, sent sons and daughters of his fellow countrymen to war to fight and die in Iraq anyway? This is what you believe?

If not, then please clarify.

EDIT: ...and "oh snap?" Really? How many people dead on both sides? You must be very passionate about that, but I'm guessing just a little less so than about vilifying the previous administration.

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37. Posted:

ODOGG618 wrote:

Where are the moderators? Politics on a video game site? What's next?

Actually, politics get discoussed quite often on this site for some reason.

You must be new here. :P

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NFreak007

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Firstly, I should point out that I'm not American (I live in the UK) and I quite like Obama, so I may be a bit biased, but why the heck are so many people so fiercely opposed to him? As far as I can tell hardcore Republicans would rather see America go to the dogs than see Obama succeed. I'm sick of people calling him a Socialist or a Communist - he just isn't. I'm sick of people inventing lies about the British NHS so they can slag off his healthcare plan - the NHS is a brilliant service and me, my mother and my sister all owe our lives to it.

Like I said before, I'm a pro-Obama Brit so maybe my opinion isn't as informed as some of yours, but unless I'm seriously wrong about all of my points then Obama is getting far more negative press than he deserves. Rant over.

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Vendetta

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NFreak, if you think this is bad - and it is - then you should've seen the 8 years prior. Makes this here seem like kindergarten teasing.

Here, take your second sentence, swap Obama for Bush, Republican for Democrat, and socialist/communist for warmonger/facist. Yup, sounds familiar. In fact, tame by comparison. One can't say about Obama the exact things said about Bush without being labelled all sorts of trash.

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@Vendetta
Well, V-Man, I do believe that the whole war was rushed and the intel was not properly checked and Bush had men around him dead set on pushing it for one reason or another.. Honestly, I guess we could get into this whole thing but it seems pointless. And don't take the whole "Oh, snap" thing as anything but a light hearted attempt to keep Orlick from becoming too over the top. I lost my best friend from high school and my cousin lost his right leg below the knee and three fingers in the course of the war, so I'm actually dead serious about the conflict.

Moving onto something I think is better to talk about (my hatred for Fox News and Rupert Murdoch in general), here the first source I found for the White House giving Fox News talking points: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25885493/.html
You'll have to scroll down a bit for McClennan to pop up and mention it. I believe he mentions it in his book as well, but it's been some time since I read it. I'm pretty sure the book is titled "What Happened".

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