ShadJV wrote:

UFOs? Alien encounters? Ridiculous. I'm not saying extraterrestrial life doesn't exist, I think that's completely possible, the universe is immense. Still, we are definitely alone in our solar system. Any alien life would have to travel much faster than the speed of light to get to our planet in any realistic amount of time, and I don't believe any livig thing could possibly travel that fast, no matter how much they perfect space travel. As such, it would take at least hundreds if not thousands of years just to get to our planet, and for what? To watch us? We're not that interesting. We have no great technologies to show them, we can't teach them the secret to world peace, we're rapidly consuming any resources they could pillage... Face it, there's no reason for aliens to go so far out of their way to visit us, and it it's just to observe, I'm sure if they can have the technology to reach our planet they also have technology to observe us without coming all the way over here, satellites or something. Anyone who believes aliens with bother wasting time observing us thinks too highly of mankind, we aren't the center of the universe. That being said, I don't believe any life, us or extraterrestrial, could possibly travel the distance in space between solar systems, at least without it being a large expedition spanning generations, at which point it wouldn't be to observe but rather to colonize or pillage for resources.

MrArcade wrote:

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Scollurio wrote:

ShadJV wrote:

UFOs? Alien encounters? Ridiculous. I'm not saying extraterrestrial life doesn't exist, I think that's completely possible, the universe is immense. Still, we are definitely alone in our solar system. Any alien life would have to travel much faster than the speed of light to get to our planet in any realistic amount of time, and I don't believe any livig thing could possibly travel that fast, no matter how much they perfect space travel. As such, it would take at least hundreds if not thousands of years just to get to our planet, and for what? To watch us? We're not that interesting. We have no great technologies to show them, we can't teach them the secret to world peace, we're rapidly consuming any resources they could pillage... Face it, there's no reason for aliens to go so far out of their way to visit us, and it it's just to observe, I'm sure if they can have the technology to reach our planet they also have technology to observe us without coming all the way over here, satellites or something. Anyone who believes aliens with bother wasting time observing us thinks too highly of mankind, we aren't the center of the universe. That being said, I don't believe any life, us or extraterrestrial, could possibly travel the distance in space between solar systems, at least without it being a large expedition spanning generations, at which point it wouldn't be to observe but rather to colonize or pillage for resources.

Space travel theoretically is possible with almost speed of light, you can read lots about those theories on the web, still your argument is valid, even if we or anyone else can travel that fast it would take hundreds and thousands of years to reach the next solar system (and we're not taking next galaxy yet) - that is in a straight line of course. There are many theories about bending space-time and since we're so limited in our technology and imagination it's a possibiity.

As for "what's so interesting about us to bother coming here" well at first glance I also agree with you. As we are now I'd even dare to see we're the most primitive greed driven society in the whole universe. On the other hand I've been to egypt and peru myself, because im so interested in the ancient astronauts theory (that aliens visited planet earth thousands of years ago and might have had direct influence on the creation of mankind) and found many odd things there in museums and around temples myself, even took pictures. Hundreds.

Anyways, the theory of ancient aliens and the oddities in the creation myths is a subject thats really really really huges. I read countless books about it, even the bible and the koran themselves, but just because I am really into ancient history, of course I cannot ask the same amount of dedication of someone else especially since it's such a highly speculative subject.

As it stands your points are valid and respectable. Thats your beliefs and they make sense, thank you for being an intelligent human being, its not always necessary to agree on something to get along!

Just be prepared if we ever make officially contact that I might send you private message with the subject-line "Told ya so!"

ShadJV wrote:

Scollurio wrote:

ShadJV wrote:

UFOs? Alien encounters? Ridiculous. I'm not saying extraterrestrial life doesn't exist, I think that's completely possible, the universe is immense. Still, we are definitely alone in our solar system. Any alien life would have to travel much faster than the speed of light to get to our planet in any realistic amount of time, and I don't believe any livig thing could possibly travel that fast, no matter how much they perfect space travel. As such, it would take at least hundreds if not thousands of years just to get to our planet, and for what? To watch us? We're not that interesting. We have no great technologies to show them, we can't teach them the secret to world peace, we're rapidly consuming any resources they could pillage... Face it, there's no reason for aliens to go so far out of their way to visit us, and it it's just to observe, I'm sure if they can have the technology to reach our planet they also have technology to observe us without coming all the way over here, satellites or something. Anyone who believes aliens with bother wasting time observing us thinks too highly of mankind, we aren't the center of the universe. That being said, I don't believe any life, us or extraterrestrial, could possibly travel the distance in space between solar systems, at least without it being a large expedition spanning generations, at which point it wouldn't be to observe but rather to colonize or pillage for resources.

Space travel theoretically is possible with almost speed of light, you can read lots about those theories on the web, still your argument is valid, even if we or anyone else can travel that fast it would take hundreds and thousands of years to reach the next solar system (and we're not taking next galaxy yet) - that is in a straight line of course. There are many theories about bending space-time and since we're so limited in our technology and imagination it's a possibiity.

As for "what's so interesting about us to bother coming here" well at first glance I also agree with you. As we are now I'd even dare to see we're the most primitive greed driven society in the whole universe. On the other hand I've been to egypt and peru myself, because im so interested in the ancient astronauts theory (that aliens visited planet earth thousands of years ago and might have had direct influence on the creation of mankind) and found many odd things there in museums and around temples myself, even took pictures. Hundreds.

Anyways, the theory of ancient aliens and the oddities in the creation myths is a subject thats really really really huges. I read countless books about it, even the bible and the koran themselves, but just because I am really into ancient history, of course I cannot ask the same amount of dedication of someone else especially since it's such a highly speculative subject.

As it stands your points are valid and respectable. Thats your beliefs and they make sense, thank you for being an intelligent human being, its not always necessary to agree on something to get along!

Just be prepared if we ever make officially contact that I might send you private message with the subject-line "Told ya so!"

Even considering "bending space-time", if it is possible, is a bad idea in my opinion. Even with the best intentions, good science can be used for extremely destructive purposes. Nuclear energy may be a great form of power but that same research brought about nuclear warfare, and no species of life should ever have such power. And assuming it wouldn't be used maliciously, there are accidents and unexpected side effects. Chernobyl? Nuclear research is child's play compared to tampering with space-time. In theory, even if it's possible, it would be just as possible that we completely rip apart reality. I hope that if there is other intelligent life out there, they are at least somewhat more responsible than humanity, and that includes not taking chances with such risky science. As for the idea that aliens visited earth thousands of years ago... What is this, Scientology? The religion based off of a science fiction book? If aliens were capable of such feats, they surely would've been able to terraform a planet much closer to them and cultivate life there, rather than millions of light years away.

I don't mean to disrespect your beliefs, I have religious beliefs that I am not going to bring into this discussion, and so I'm not saying your belief is impossible. Who am I to know the nature of the universe? Still, I find it incredibly unlikely that any aliens have made contact with our planet of all places in the universe, I read a lot about astronomy and our planet is nowhere realistically close to any other planets capable of supporting life, we're on the edge of our galaxy for that matter, any extraterrestrials surely would find closer planets to them.

ShadJV wrote:

...it would take at least hundreds if not thousands of years just to get to our planet, and for what? To watch us? We're not that interesting. We have no great technologies to show them, we can't teach them the secret to world peace, we're rapidly consuming any resources they could pillage... Face it, there's no reason for aliens to go so far out of their way to visit us, and it it's just to observe, I'm sure if they can have the technology to reach our planet they also have technology to observe us without coming all the way over here, satellites or something. Anyone who believes aliens with bother wasting time observing us thinks too highly of mankind, we aren't the center of the universe...

Link-Hero wrote:

Maybe aliens visiting us have never and will never happen, but thinking that we're the only life forms in the whole universe is just ignorant. I mean, if there are earth like planets in the universe, doesn't that mean there has to be SOME kind of life forms on it? Oxygen, water, bacteria, plants, herbivores, carnivores, ect. Everything that is required to keep a planet like our own alive and stable. You don't even need intelligent life forms on it to keep it that way.

ShadJV wrote:

...it would take at least hundreds if not thousands of years just to get to our planet, and for what? To watch us? We're not that interesting. We have no great technologies to show them, we can't teach them the secret to world peace, we're rapidly consuming any resources they could pillage... Face it, there's no reason for aliens to go so far out of their way to visit us, and it it's just to observe, I'm sure if they can have the technology to reach our planet they also have technology to observe us without coming all the way over here, satellites or something. Anyone who believes aliens with bother wasting time observing us thinks too highly of mankind, we aren't the center of the universe...

We humans observe primitive/other animal life forms on our own planet and visit/send robots to other planets in our galaxy even though there is little benefit in it. We do it so we could possibly learn/find something, even though it might be small. Who says aliens from other planets doesn't want that either?

Also, like you said, there is no logical reason to visit a faraway place where you could risk/waste your own kind's life. If there are intelligent life forms that are a lot more advanced than us, they should be smart enough to send some disposable robots to go instead. They can just send some robots at light speeds (or whatever they use for transportation) towards our planet and wait. Heck, we are doing something like that right now with the Voyager 1 by sending it outside our galaxy in hope we will learn/find something.

The_Fox wrote:

Is there life on other planets? Logic would say yes, absolutely. Have any other races ever visited Earth? There's never been a shred of evidence, so I'm going to say no.