@ThanosReXXX Typing the "cheat code" and hitting the accept through the "warning" to get to a list of cryptically named settings is a deep dive. Again its' not about how simple it is for me to do. It's about what percentage of the total Firefox user base will be doing that or even believes they should? Which is the point. They throw you a bone to shut you up, and keep stiffing the masses by speaking out both sides of their mouths. They'll live without your data. They have millions of others.
"t the fact that you'd potentially be willing to go to that specific page, already indicates that your either willing OR able, or both,"
That's kind of my point - most aren't! And Moz knows that.
"the difference if I have to flick a digital switch in a settings menu, or switch a value in a hidden menu that's just as easily accessible? "
There's a massive difference to any user that doesn't know that setting is there to begin with, and is uncomfortable with accessing menus walled behind "I accept the risks!" buttons. Which is most users. But worse is that the "private" browsing experience that they are telling most people they are downloading on the website requires doing all of that to actually receive...those settings should be default.DISABLING them should require the deep dive. I mean not only is telemetry on, "Studies" are on by default. That is, they can PUSH software to you that will run as a study to collect telemetry of the results from users. I'd call that a virus. From the "private" browser. That's in the user-facing privacy settings to disable. For now. I wonder what version they remove that and hide it in about:config as well? For a simplified user experience, of course. No need to bother the infant public with pesky questions about if you'd like to disable the perfectly safe, product improvement features!
It's not about what I can or can't do with it. It's what is slowly being forced on the entirety of the user base, with some tools still available for those "in the know" but what does being "in the know" matter if the end result is 90% of the planet still providing 4 companies every detail of everything they do? We don't need to be screwed personally. Unfortunately in the "connected world" if everyone else is a moron and gets screwed, we're swept in the tide with them and have to conform to the consequences of their failure. Instead we just look like crazy people shouted down for our tin foil hats, and in the end, all the effort was meaningless as we pay the price for their stupidity anyway.
@NEStalgia Pffff.... man, you're making it TERRIBLY hard for me NOT to textually beat the crap out of you...
I'm almost under the impression that you're about to grab your torch and pitchfork, and rally a march towards Mozilla HQ...
I guess that we can safely surmise from all we've discussed so far, is that you and I have a VERY different understanding of the term "deep dive"...
For me, it means that it would be necessary for someone to have a high skill level or understanding of the technical workings of software, and the manipulations of it. Accessing a menu that ANYONE can access at will, does NOT constitute that, much less simply having to click on a value to change it from true to false or the other way around.
That's not a deep dive, that's dipping a careful toe into the pool, making a virgin's effort into programming (if even that), nothing more, nothing less. And the how to's can be found all over the web, and on YouTube, with step by steps and pretty pictures for the real simpletons.
Heck, there's even completely free, and fully automatic add-ons that handle these things for you. I've got several installed, such as the targeted advertising cookie opt-out, for example.
And mind you, I'm no die-hard tech fanatic either, so if I can do it, with my average IT skills, then so should at the very least 50 if not 75% of all Firefox users. After all: it's the Firefox community itself that is helping to come up with these solutions for these very users in the first place.
We completely agree on the forced stuff bit, so let's drop that part. Like you, I don't want Firefox to turn into some kind of Chrome subsidiary.
Anyway, nuff said. I'm out. It's been a long day over here, so time for some more leisurely activities...
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
Exactly! The browser debate raged as our boy Anti has been playing a space shooter! Priorities, folks! 😜
Also, had to have my bank cancel my debit card this morning after finding one of those $1.00 phishing charges. Luckily the replacement should be here tomorrow, and all my bills are direct pay from my bank. I think only my NSO sub is recurring against a card, in September. I’ll have it just in time to get my truck back.
#MudStrongs
Switch Friend Code: SW-7842-2075-5515 | My Nintendo: HobbitGamr | Nintendo Network ID: HobbitGamr
@NEStalgia Nah, I know better than to trust Sony. (At least Google, Amazon, etc straight up tell you they're not safe ) it was some "samsclub.com arus" thing in the ledger. Haven't been to Sam's in 10 months. Only thing I've done out of the ordinary was order that PCM for the pickup, and go to a gas station I haven't used in a bit. It's all good, though.
#MudStrongs
Switch Friend Code: SW-7842-2075-5515 | My Nintendo: HobbitGamr | Nintendo Network ID: HobbitGamr
@ThanosReXXX Not with XP. Those stories I've heard secondhand. When I had somewhat of a support role along with my other duties, I did have to convince a client we worked with to upgrade their Windows Vista "server" back when the extended support for that was about to end. They thankfully upgraded, but only to Windows 7. I heavily hinted that they should get a proper server since their "server" was also a work station, but apparently saving money is more important. shrugs
This is the same company that complained to us at one point for allegedly shutting off access to our software early (there was a payment notice out, but the product they were using hadn't expired yet). The real issue was that this was around the time where Microsoft was forcing heavily encouraging users to upgrade to Windows 10. Their "server" upgraded itself, and the upgrade also shut off the services to SQL Server that they needed. THAT was the real, easy-to-fix issue.
I don't think I've ever spent so long proofreading an email that both explained what happened and said that we weren't at fault as nicely as possible. The lady I normally dealt with was nice enough, but her boss...not so much.
@AlohaPizzaJack
Yo!
I have finished Mission 6 (M06: Infiltration) just now. 🤓
Well, not bad for a 1st person shooter beginner. 😏
Btw, i have Failed once during Mission 6 due to fell down into acid pool because i suddenly forgot to press B button for jump. 😅
Time to sleep.
It's already 00.30 a.m. here.
Good night... 😴
@Anti-Matter Are you playing solo or finding online randoms? I found that game really difficult even with 2 players. It really seemed balanced for full squads only!
Hey. It’s been a while, so I thought I’d stop by and say hello. I see nothing has changed. Dogs and cats living in harmony together and @Anti-Matter shooting stuff. Is @ogo79 still a beast?
@NEStalgia I'll ignore that veiled smart@ss comment, seeing as I have only ever been in business 2 business sales, and most people/clients I spoke to, knew more than enough about the hard- and software they were working with, to be able to handle some pretty damn basic settings, even if they weren't instantly visible...
But let's just move on, seems like we're going in circles anyway, and I like to keep things positive.
So, how about that Tiger Woods, huh?
@Tyranexx Yeah, well... what company does NOT like saving money? But I've also had those kinda discussions, back when I was selling server racks and blade servers for Hewlett Packard. The trick always being that you should learn/master have the skills and the patience to play the long game, and let the other party see the bigger picture and the long term benefits.
In the case of the story you just mentioned, I would have been all over that guy, explaining to him that he'll be saving far more money by upgrading sooner, because part of (or most of?) his software is either going to be end of life or incompatible soon, and subsequently, so might access to his database, which could, or in this case apparently did, cause the SQL Server issues.
Kinda like scaring them into a sale... But a quality one, nonetheless, that they themselves would definitely benefit from as well, meaning I would have created yet another very satisfied customer, who I could safely bother for even more stuff, over the years to come...
@NEStalgia
I played Solo with Lone Wolf MODs.
Can you see the third picture above?
I was very Defensive player, so i equipped with something Defensive (Lone Wolf + Auto-Revive)
@Anti-Matter Wouldn't worry too much about only failing once or twice every mission. Most people fail at (or get stuck in) some mission at some point, or finish without having a perfect score, so need to replay it anyway. It's just how it goes. And practice makes perfect, so you just need to get better, and you will, the more you play.
@bimmy-lee Hey there! was actually looking up your email last week, and archived it for later use, but because I had no interesting things to report, I decided to get back to it at some point last weekend, but obviously forgot all about it again...
So, are you just dropping by, or back for a while longer?
@ThanosReXXX You need to need to try selling to end users more. It can still be B2B. But sell things to the cube-rats actually using this stuff. Watch them install Chrome in ultra-secure environments. Not just the users, the admins as well! Watch them actually click on the email about how their business can be more profitable using one simple trick! You're missing the 2.7 billion reasons the internet should not be allowed to continue to exist.
Back in the 90's the only people on the internet were techies and the world was fine. Sure we were at war with each other, but we knew how to launch countermeasures. Just remember. The AOL users are NOW ON YOUR NETWORK!
@Anti-Matter I still recall getting pretty well beaten in some of the "arena" type "survive for X minutes" type rooms.... It's chibi on the outside, it's hardcore on the inside without a full team
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