Topic: The Arguments of Yesteryear

I feel like the opposite is true and the game was never more liked than around launch. Plenty of people liked it but I've not heard of many examples of people changing their minds on it in the past few years.

I chalk this up to the early 2000s being this angsty, post-adolescent period for gaming.
game developers and game buyers alike had this unfortunate fixation on "grim and gritty" and "edgy" that the industry has only just started to grow out of in the last 5 or 6 years.

@Doctordanger99 Wow! That is extreme. When I heard the news I instantly said "Not a chance in hell!" But the idea of selling my 360 did not occur to me.

Indeed. I remember as far along as 2014 arguing black and blue that the Wii U would still outsell the XBox One. That this was going to be more like the PS2 generation with the PS4 doing 100mill+, the Wii U carving out a small niche the XBOne trailing hard with nothing interesting to offer.

Even when the NX was announced I argued that it wouldn't replace the Wii U, it would replace the 3DS. That Nintendo would finish development of their last Wii U projects on Wii U and release just on Wii U. Zelda specifically. Then gradually pull focus towards their new portable before releasing another home console backwards compatible with the portable in 2019/2020.

Though, optimistic about the Wii U or not, I feel I was again closer to what ended up happening than other people. Remember when the Switch was actually revealed and certain youtube channels were still saying that the Switch shown in the trailer was "not NX". That NX was 100%, without a doubt a PS4 clone. Because heaven forbid Emily Rogers is more right about a thing than some dude in his Mum's basement.

It's kinda infuriating in hindsight how much more hype Twilight Princess got than Wind Waker

While the PS4 had won this console generation the moment E3 2013 was over, I was really surprised Wii U wasn't 2nd place. I just assumed with 3DS' rebound combined with the Wii only being a few years old, that it would do well eventually based on brand recognition alone. Apparently not.

But Twilight Princess was the better game and didn't have slow sailing wasting your time, so it worked out in the end.

No, but obviously that has nothing to do with the quality of the games and almost everything to do with teenagers' inate fear of bright, primary colors. If the art styles were reversed, the opposite might've happened (...or at least it could have if it didn't end up as a Wii launch game).

I remember during the N64 vs PS1 era, me and my N64-owning friends arguing with our PS1-owning friends over which had the better graphics, with the PS1 owners using the FMV cutscenes as proof, whereas we were saying that it's the in-game graphics that count and that the FMV cutscenes only served to highlight the inferior in-game graphics.

@skywake Well, regardless of her being right, she's still one of the most annoying, self-absorbed and entitled people I've never met. I truly dislike her, with a vengeance. Her and that blue-haired abomination who I'm not allowed to insult on here anymore.

Actually, I hate leakers/spoilers in general, because most of them just do it for their 5 minutes of fame, to be able to beat their own chest and say: "See? I told you I was right!"
And because these two ladies, well... at least one lady... were on the forefront of most of it, these have stuck in my mind as the most annoying ones.

You never hear anything about the ones that were wrong, because these just quietly remove themselves from the spotlights. Me, I just like the old days better. Could be an age thing, considering my date of birth, but I simply prefer to be surprised, especially at large events such as E3.

The reveal of the GameCube and the DS were still full of that almost childlike magic, and even though current E3 events still have some nice components, it's a shame that it's nigh-on impossible to escape most of the spoilers in the months leading up to them. Even if you don't watch the articles, there's still social media or other people talking about it in threads and so on.

Oh, well. I'll let myself out now...

@ThanosReXXX
I, myself, am an "abomination" as you not so subtly put it. and I can assure you that Laura Kate Dale is a lady in every sense.

@CharlieSmile Well, if that profile picture is actually you, then you look considerably more normal to me.
And I'm perfectly fine with people wanting to be their true selves or whatever they want to call it, but I'm not really partial to all the over the top figures/caricatures, no offense. And then also being a spoil-sport on top of that, ruining other people's anticipation/surprise moment concerning games and/or consoles, all to get that me, me, me moment, is just a bit too much, far as I'm concerned.

For clarity's sake: it's not the whatever gender thing that bothers me, but the added layer on top, and the blue hair drags it into the ridiculousness area, far as I'm concerned. And if you want to put yourself in the spotlight, by trying to be a crystal ball that nobody asked for, then you're bound to get some flak here or there.

I don't say that to offend anyone, it's just how I feel about it. Sorry if that bothers you, but I couldn't see it any other way, even if I tried.

Anyway, this is not what this thread is about, unless arguing about what we are or are not allowed to think or feel about gender-switching also belongs to "arguments of yesteryear", so I'll end my part of this off-topic bit here, and my apologies if I offended you, which wasn't what my comment was about, whether you believe that or not.

@ThanosReXXX

excuse me?? that's a major insult.
women like me aren't abnormal anomalies, or "abominations." we're just women.

offense taken. you don't get to call people "caricatures" just for expressing their personal style/aesthetic.

we don't "switch," we ARE.

it's not a matter of "if." you did. and I reject your apology.

wow.
you wanna talk about arguments of yesteryear, talk about a shining example.

@CharlieSmile I said I wanted to end this off-topic argument, not start one...
Wow... very weird to me, that you would "negativize" just about everything I said, when all I did was actually say that I completely accept people like you, except not when they go over the top. I could imagine that this last part would be offensive, but like I said, that's just the way I feel. However, that does NOT in any way, shape or form mean that I wanted to offend you, and I actually think I already went somewhat out of my way to explain that to you in the previous comment.

And with normal, I meant perfectly fine. I couldn't imagine being anywhere close to being angry if someone called me that, so to me, that's kind of baffling, to be honest.

I'll admit I could have worded the gender-switching a bit more polite. But perhaps you could keep in mind that for the average Joe, it does come across as such: people going from one gender to another, regardless of how it feels/is for the person in question. On the outside looking in, it's switching, but that as well is not meant as derogatory. It's just an observation.

And it's a free world. If I want to call certain styles or whatever a caricature, then I am completely free and allowed to do so. I'm sorry, but I just don't like over the top people, that's all. Doesn't matter under which guise they come. Oh, and that is regardless of gender: like I already explained, I have no issues with that whatsoever. That's perfectly fine by me, and should be, in this day and age.

On a side note: I feel that you rejecting a genuine and well-meant apology says more about your inability for acceptance than mine, no offense.

Well, when this is what others were posting to "discredit" them:

And this is what they were posting:
https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/recap-of-nx-har...

In May, I said Nvidia was involved with the system
The screen is around 6 inches (6.2 to be specific)
The portable screen has a 720p resolution.
Multi-touch touchscreen (Haven’t heard anything about a stylus.)
32 GB of internal storage is on the NX dev kit. (They may increase storage to 64GB for the final retail unit, but I doubt it.)
There is an SD Card port.
Dock Station has at least 2 USB ports on prototype. Not sure about final product.
NX will support Unreal Engine 4 and Unity engine
NX is below Xbox One and PlayStation 4 in raw power.
Dev kits and prototypes are region free. I heard retail units will be region free too.
Nintendo still plans to support the 3DS with software through 2018.

And certain parts of the community were siding with the former almost entirely. And by certain parts of the community I mean to say specifically the part of the community who posted comments like yours above. People who didn't want to believe either of these people purely because they were women. Heaven forbid a girl has a better understanding of tech and gaming than you do.

I for one immediately sided with these two girls. What they were saying made so much more technical sense than the garbage others were posting. There's one blog post where Emily Rogers tries to clear the air with Super Metal Dave and he was saying vague non-committal garbage like this:

I believe it will be cartridge-based. However, Nintendo did patent a device that had a disc drive that could be used as an optional attachment to the NX. So, while I do believe NX will mainly use carts, I don’t want to rule out discs completely yet.

Followed by his parade apparently not reading what he's saying ranting in the comments about how "what he says makes perfect sense". It was beautiful seeing him fall off his tower when he did. Although apparently there are still people who watch his videos on youtube somehow. He's still posting rumours and theories about Nintendo. Says something about our community that we care more about someone's "tone" than whether or not they are right.

ooh, my favorite is the mental gymnastics these folks use to justify their archaic thinking.
"it's got nothing to do with their gender, it's because [thinly veiled microaggression rooted in misogynistic ideals].

I hold both in equal regard myself. I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and completely dismiss what people say without some sort of logical deduction, but on the other hand if I don't like the person (and there's quite a few people I don't like on the Internet) due to them being rude, I don't have to listen to them and I can just go elsewhere. Doesn't matter what they have under their legs. (Hell, we need more women in tech/gaming without bigotry aimed towards them.)

Seems more likely that that attitude has died down a bit simply because the median age of gamers has increased over time.

In 1990, the median age of Nintendo gamers was probably like 10-15y/o. Now it's something like 25-30y/o.

@skywake Oh, don't get me wrong. I actually used to watch his videos, but haven't done so since that happened. And it isn't because they're women, or because they're women who were right, but simply because they leaked information that wasn't supposed to be known by the general public, and that in turn spoiled the surprise for a whole hell of a lot of people, me included. I could have also added another YouTuber/leaker that I don't like, even though he too is right on a regular basis. You may have heard of him: goes by the name of Doctre81, and he's yet another example of these type of people.

Of course, nobody has to watch their videos or read their web- or social media pages, but still...
I just don't get what use it is to leak all that info, and to ruin the surprise, or what they hope to gain by it,
other than becoming more "trustworthy" because they were right about that big thing that one time.
Emily Rogers' track record certainly isn't spotless, and she has been wrong on numerous occasions,
so ultimately, she's just an average leaker, sometimes wrong and sometimes right...

Either way, I don't care who does the spoiling, I dislike ALL of them, because most of them are way to self-absorbed and seem to want to be important/famous in some way or another. What I initially said about it, was just to underline my annoyance with the two people being in the spotlight the most.

Like I said before: if you want to put yourself out there, as the no.1 leaker, then you're bound to get some flak here or there.

And Dave is just a salty tech guy who should have stayed in the PC area, a topic he actually does know quite a bit about, but he made the mistake to turn his fanboyism of Nintendo, or rather: his picture of what Nintendo should be or do, into a quasi-game channel. Might also in part be fueled by his YouTube buddy PlayerEssence...

As for the info leaked by Emily and/or Laura: I actually did think it made sense in some ways, but part of me obviously also wanted a next gen powerhouse from Nintendo, even though knowing their history, it was probably not going to happen, and it didn't.

I have to tell you that I was honestly quite amazed that the first official reveal video still managed to make me quite enthusiastic about the Switch, regardless of me not completely believing and/or wanting that it was going to be an under-powered (compared to the competition) handheld system, based upon an Nvidia Android device.

I remember during the 16-bit era, there was a pretty big Street Fighter vs Mortal Kombat debate. As a kid, I was a massive Street Fighter fan, so I was firmly in that camp. One day (probably around '94. I was about 10 or 11), I was in the local convenience store with my mum and I was just browsing the video game magazines and among the usual mags, there was this one-off "Street Fighter vs Mortal Kombat" magazine. A whole magazine dedicated to rating the two games on various categories and coming out with an overall winner; "We settle it once and for all!" etc. Even though I didn't hate Mortal Kombat or anything, I was such a diehard Street Fighter fan, that I would have been livid if they'd given it to Mortal Kombat just because it was the new kid on the block (like those NintendoLife lists they've been doing...) The magazine was sealed, so you couldn't just look inside and see the result in the store, so I begged my mum to get it for me. As soon as we were out of the store, I ripped the seal open and went straight to the back page. Street Fighter had won by one point. Needless to say, I was very relieved. If I remember correctly, it also came with a sweet-ass poster. Aaahh, the 90s, etc.

I think Street Fighter plays better than Mortal Kombat but I still prefer MK overall. I like the characters and stories more and the fatalities are always funny and over the top.

It was a very highly regarded game critically. Though obviously the violence (and the motion capture graphics) were a huge part of its appeal and impact. That's what turned it from 'another decent fighter', to 'international news story'.