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Macaronius

1. Posted:

I recently made a topic about dsibrew. I mentioned something about piracy and it got locked. I didn't know the rules and regulations so I didn't really think before I posted. Sorry nintendo life :(

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tonyp415

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wow I softmoded my wii and its acually not illeagal as long as you don't pose a threat to nintendo people and as long as you don't go and get a bunch of games

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JTC-Pingas

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I know someone who pirated his whole Wii collection. But I won't say who :D

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tonyp415

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Then why even bring it up?

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theblackdragon

5. Posted:

softmodding and homebrew are not in and of themselves illegal. piracy, however, is.

this must be the third or fourth time in a week I've said it, but i'll say it again: Now you know. :3

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tonyp415

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Haha I got the disc backup loader he he so I don't really have illeagal disc's Cause I use a USB hard drive it has like 320 gigs

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James

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tonyp415 wrote:

Haha I got the disc backup loader he he so I don't really have illeagal disc's Cause I use a USB hard drive it has like 320 gigs

That makes it OK then.

Let me just go on record again - we have a very healthy working relationship with publishers and we don't want to jeopardise that with discussion of soft-modding and other forms of console modification.

Theblackdragon is right - it isn't illegal in and of itself (although I seem to remember reading that, in the EU at least, anything that can circumvent copy protection is against the law, but I could be wrong), but it's certainly something we discourage from open discussion in forums.

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I like to brew my own tea sometimes. It's good stuff.

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Ramandus

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Sometimes? Where does the tea come from other times? A can?

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theblackdragon

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Ramandus wrote:

Sometimes? Where does the tea come from other times? A can?

possibly a bottle or a gallon jug?

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Machu

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There are many places on teh web where legal soft-modders (yeah right) can congregate. I'd like NL to go all Zero-Tolerance on it tbh. But that's just me.

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theblackdragon

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@Machu: frankly it would be nice if NL would officially go zero-tolerance on it; i'm sick of seeing people take pot-shots at those of us who choose to run homebrew on our Wiis. we are not all filthy pirates. >:/

however, by the letter of the community rules, discussion of homebrew is still allowable here, because it is not illegal nor is it actually mentioned by name, and i find it distressing that the mods here also seem to think that homebrew stuff should automatically be lumped in with warez and piracy, that they shouldn't have to bother differentiating between it because it's all illegal somehow (which is not the case). seriously, how hard is it to come up with some kind of official announcement (like the 'no more jokes about Corbie and the number 7' one) or to edit a few words into the community rules to include talk of homebrew as 'unacceptable content'? Hell, i'll write the announcement for y'all:

'Hey guys, we'd like to keep our relationship with Nintendo on good terms, and they're not thrilled by the idea of homebrew applications being run on their hardware, so we're adding discussion of homebrew apps as unacceptable content on the forums. There are plenty of other places on the internet to discuss Wii/DS homebrew; please don't do it here.'

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Reala

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I think a rules page would be a good idea, the terms of use page doesn't really cover all the rules and new users would have to know to look at the announcements, and search through them before they can have any idea of what is and isn't acceptable.

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Ravage

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Blaze wrote:

I think a rules page would be a good idea, the terms of use page doesn't really cover all the rules and new users would have to know to look at the announcements, and search through them before they can have any idea of what is and isn't acceptable.

Agreed.

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Machu

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@theblackdragon: I don't mean to be ignorant about it, but unfortunately, I am completely ignorant about it. :) IF people use homebrew or the like, for things besides piracy and stuff then who am I to criticize. I'm not exactly innocent when it comes to PC software, but have always despised the idea of hacking/modding a Wii. That's just the Nintendo Purist Fanboy in me speaking nonsensically, I'm sure if someone showed me what features are available through Homebrew, I might change my mind. Reluctantly. ;)

As for NL, it's a pretty thin line that they'll have to walk on. What with Nintendo on one hand, and valued users like yourself why wouldn't mind a place to chat about such things, on the other. If there was such a thread, a homebrew friendly one, I'd find it hard to swallow seeing 'back-up game' every 5th post, because we all know what that really means, and so would Nintendo.

Dunno, I'm gonna go do some reading know, as I am clueless as to how 'the law' views this.

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Knux

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Ravage wrote:

Blaze wrote:

I think a rules page would be a good idea, the terms of use page doesn't really cover all the rules and new users would have to know to look at the announcements, and search through them before they can have any idea of what is and isn't acceptable.

Agreed.

I'm the second person to agree with this.

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@Machu: no problem, man -- it's not just you, either, don't worry. between this discussion, the smoking thread, and the drinking thread, and then more ranting from SSBFan1999, i am sick to death of people getting all up into the business of others... i've been having to play devil's advocate far too often lately. that's why i would really like or NL to finally put their stance on legal homebrew in writing; i'm very tired of apparently walking that thin line by defending myself and other posters. how do you know where the line is when it's not actually spelled out anyplace and people automatically assume that you should have known better? that's not very fair to anybody. :/

anyway, i have always believed strongly that once I buy something, it's mine, and if i want to use it in a manner the manufacturer or designer didn't have in mind, so what? I'll take responsibility if it blows up on me, but so long as i'm not using it for anything illegal, what do they care what I do? :3 there's some interesting little random games and applications for the Wii (as well as many emulators), but i've used homebrew apps primarily for DVD playback (yeah, i know using the Wii to watch DVDs is supposed to be bad for the drive, but whatev') and music and video file playback (the TV is hooked up to a nice surround-sound system, may as well get some use out of it, lol). Mahjong Wii is fun (but then again i love Mahjong solitaire), and WiiPhysics is a neat little application to mess around with as well. i haven't bothered with GeckoOS/Ocarina only because i've never really felt the need to before; i don't have any games from other regions lying around, nor have i ever felt bored enough with any of the Wii games I own to bother cheating my way through them. :P

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7th_lutz

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I don't mod my systems or use them for emulation purposes.

The type of Homebrew games I talk about are not illegal. When I use the term Homebrew, I refer to games that were released in a systems afterlife like Beef Drop for the Atari 7800 in cartridge form.

There are a good amount of older systems that have new games released after the system is no longer being made like Sega Genesis for an example.

A lot of people in retro gaming use the term homebrew for creating new games for dead systems including members of Atariage like myself.

The only thing illegal with developing new games for old systems by hobbyists is making arcade ports or computer ports without getting permission. Some Hobbyists develop games with out being an arcade, computer, or port from another game console.

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Machu

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@theblackdragon: Might I say, you are very good at playing devil's advocate, ha, but I know that's not why you are here. :) We shall see huh. Having just researched Homebrew a bit, I am intrigued to say the least (as I too could turn the Wii into a very useful multimedia tool), this is a route I would never have gone down if I hadn't been prompted by visiting this site. :O (that was a joke btw) If I didn't already have a media-box, I'd be all over it.

Nintendo Life need to draw a line in the sand some time soon, especially now they are snugly ensconced in Ninty's pocket, which is awesome btw.

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Knux

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The only reason I use the Homebrew Channel is for emulation.

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