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Topic: So you think digital is here to save YOU money?

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Raylax

Sean+Aaron wrote:

With regards to Madden, would it not be better to simply download updated players/stats on an annual subscription than buy a brand new full-price release EVERY YEAR? I mean, surely that has to be a good thing right?

It's EA. They'll still release yearly updates citing the fact that all the player's faces look more almost-recognisably-unsquished in this edition.

Raylax

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brooks83

@110percentful - I don't know if you were directly responding to me or not, but this discussion has been had many times before. Yes, there are games you can get cheaper on the vc, but there are plenty of games you can get cheaper not buying on the vc. You just have to shop around.

brooks83

Percentful

brooks83 wrote:

@110percentful - I don't know if you were directly responding to me or not, but this discussion has been had many times before. Yes, there are games you can get cheaper on the vc, but there are plenty of games you can get cheaper not buying on the vc. You just have to shop around.

Actually, no, I wasn't responding to you. You are right, there are some games that you can get cheaper, especially if you go to stores like Vintage Stock.

Just let it happen.

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Starscream

Listen guys - maybe I went off a little 'angry' but it is just FRUSTRATION!

I mean, this has nothing to do with which company is 'greedy' or how they 'treat their fans' or the quality of their games...

The fact is digital is becoming more and more prevelant, and the game media does nothing but eggs it on. Why, if I see an editorial on the subject, it will just be on how 'lazy and backwards' Nintendo is on the subject. There are NO pro-game consumer game sites out their, they are ALL just advertising arms for the platforms, in effect.

Now a site like IGN is full of dumb fratboys who work for a giant company that charges subscription rates just to access their 'insider content' and post on their cess pool boards. So I expect nothing better from them.

But I do hold Nintendo Life to a higher standard, as a major idependent outlet, it should, of all sites, most reflect and care about the average gamer on the street. I do not care if the media session has a Q and A - YOU seek OUT the Nintendo rep and ASK HIM - if I but Lite trackx or whatev er how long will Nintendo support it? You do not need a media summit to do this - you can call them right now. Call the Nintendo Reps, bring this to the fore front, make this happen.

Write artciles, write editorilas, interview Nintendo reps, get answers!

Alls we are seeing right now is the industry slowly slide into this model, ready or not, with no questions asked and no one will know a damn thing about it until it is too late because the game media is either unable or unwilling to do the legwork NOW.

So that is the point - 95% of the people who post online are fanboys of game sites and no game site out their that I have found advocates game ownership and retail rights. So we have no voice - we are all just sheep, and we wait for the hammer to fall.

BAAAAAAAAA!

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More than meets the eye!

Percentful

I do not care if you don't have a gaming site- YOU seek OUT the Nintendo rep and ASK HIM - if I but Lite trackx or whatev er how long will Nintendo support it? You do not need a gaming website to do this - you can call them right now. Call the Nintendo Reps, bring this to the fore front, make this happen.

Write artciles, write editorilas, interview Nintendo reps, get answers!

BAAAAAAAA!

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Just let it happen.

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Starscream

Oh right - yeah, I got invited to the last media event, I got a press pass.

Not.

Should I just blog about it on some unknown page? This is the loudest voice I have, and it is not much. But Nintedo life - they are growing, they get linked on go nintendo, they are talked about on gamefaqs. They have power.

And with power comes responsibility.

More than meets the eye!

Percentful

Starscream wrote:

And with power comes the responsibility to ask the questions I want asked, or I will insult them and compare them to teenagers.

You're right.
and I have some better advice for you. Rather than fill the forums with pointless, hateful, idiotic, irrational, hypocritical topics, how about you make a blog, and put a link to it in your sig.

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Just let it happen.

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brooks83

Starscream you are being completely irrational and frankly I'm not even sure what your upset about. Are you against the VC and Wiiware or just DLC? Nintendo isn't even doing DLC so what could Nintendo Life even complain or ask about? You do realize this website specializes on Nintendo and started out as a website focusing on the (evil digital) VC?

brooks83

LzWinky

Nope. The distributors are gonna find a way to take all the money they want

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Starscream

It is not irrational to demand a better contract from Nintendo or any other game publisher or console maker regarding digital content.

It is not irrational to expect the game media to focus on a subject that is critcal to all gamers and is rapidly changing the face of gaming.

More than meets the eye!

brooks83

Again, what is it you are so against? DLC? The VC and WiiWare? iTunes? If you can't clearly articulate your complaint, how is NintendoLife supposed to help you?

brooks83

LzWinky

Token+Girl wrote:

Isn't there going to be a lot of DLC for the new WarioWare? I know there's a WW title connected to it. It may be sooner than you think. I'll be pretty angry if there turns out to be lots of PAID DLC for WarioWare. Honestly, if this is the FIRST place Ninty decides to start upgrading their online (more payments, no better features), then I'll be kinda ticked.

Honestly, I just don't buy games with paid DLC, and if one really was a must have, I wouldn't buy the DLC. If companies can't turn a profit off of it, they'll stop doing it.

From what I understand, you have to pay for the WiiWare game (about 800 points), but the microgames are free beyond that. Nintendo makes a lot of money in other ways, so they really don't need to charge fees for online.

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LzWinky

Starscream wrote:

Oh right - yeah, I got invited to the last media event, I got a press pass.

Not.

Should I just blog about it on some unknown page? This is the loudest voice I have, and it is not much. But Nintedo life - they are growing, they get linked on go nintendo, they are talked about on gamefaqs. They have power.

And with power comes responsibility.

Pardon my French, but what the heck are you even talking about now?

Btw, just because they can seek out Nintendo reps and ask them questions does NOT mean they will always get an answer (at least the ones you want)

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Adam

If you've come to rant on the evils of digital distribution, I'm not sure why you expected a sympathetic ear at the only gaming site to pride itself on reviewing every Virtual Console, WiiWare, and DSiWare title to come out in the West..

Come on, friends,
To the bear arcades again.

Bankai

Starscream wrote:

Think again.

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/ea-sports-wants-to-[span]E2%80%9...

EA Sports boss Peter Moore has said that the company plans to explore subscription and microtransaction models as it looks to generate greater revenue from its sizable consumer base.

"I think we need to move much quicker, in particular with Madden, through a digital world," Moore said at the Morgan Stanley Technology conference in San Francisco, according to IGN.

"What you should be looking for from me is 'How do I get an extra $4 or $5 dollars?', which is high margin digital revenue from that install base rather than continue to sell more packaged goods," he added.

"What we're starting to do now is actually start to see growth on next-gen platforms, and perhaps more importantly you're going to see digital subscriptions, digital microtransactions; all those things that we seem to be able to drive hard against all our franchises, against the Madden consumer."

Nice - you not only are paying 20% more for a HD copy of Madden, now you do not even get the whole game in the box. This is EAs new operating strategy you may or may not be surprised to know EA lost money last year, despite being the 2nd biggest 3rd part publisher of games behind Activision.

EAs plan to turn that around is pay DLC - they stated earlier this year they plan to have pay DLC and/or subscription online fees in EVERY game they sell. How much are YOU going to pay for what you used to get as part of your software purchase? I can't wait to see how people defend this one - it is 'great' when retail game releases become platforms unto themselves - a base from which to sell more software.

And it REALLY sickens me when people whine about Nintendo not 'catching up' in this online marketplace. Ugh. You do not know how good we have it. Also this is going to widen the gap between the blockbuster games and medium sized 3rd party games - instead of buying different additional software, more and more often your money will be tied into buying additional software from the major EA (or whichever major publisher) game that is already 'purchased'.

This is bad for the industry - more erosion for the overall health of the industry, less variety, and less power for the consumers. For whom the bell tolls, it keeps tolling for console gaming....

Oh my God this is terrible and incorrect. You clearly have no idea how the industry works, if if you were in control of a company it would quickly go bankrupt.

You would also make a miserable journalist, because no one would bother to answer your questions.

DLC is clearly a positive move for the industry (just like Cloud Computing has been a positive development in business). It will improve opportunities for indie developers, improve the profitibility of publishers by giving them more revenue options, and thus giving those same publishers more money to put into new titles, and will thus give benefits to consumers.

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Percentful

Thank you, WaltzElf. Maybe he'll listen to you.

Just let it happen.

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Knux

As Waltz said to you Starscreamer, you have NO CLUE about how DLC has affected the industry in a POSITIVE way.

Tell me, would Mega Man 9 and Mega Man 10 suceeded if they were released on physical format today? Of course not! The game is doing great as a downloadable game. You absolutely make no sense at all, and you never will.

Also, you are trying to tell the NL staff what to do, and you cannot tell them what to do. If you are so concerned about the game industry, become a journalist and start your own anti-digital gaming website, but it will never succeed. What an useless and ridiculous topic.

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Knux

Starscream

WaltzElf wrote:

Starscream wrote:

Think again.

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/ea-sports-wants-to-[span]E2%80%9...

EA Sports boss Peter Moore has said that the company plans to explore subscription and microtransaction models as it looks to generate greater revenue from its sizable consumer base.

"I think we need to move much quicker, in particular with Madden, through a digital world," Moore said at the Morgan Stanley Technology conference in San Francisco, according to IGN.

"What you should be looking for from me is 'How do I get an extra $4 or $5 dollars?', which is high margin digital revenue from that install base rather than continue to sell more packaged goods," he added.

"What we're starting to do now is actually start to see growth on next-gen platforms, and perhaps more importantly you're going to see digital subscriptions, digital microtransactions; all those things that we seem to be able to drive hard against all our franchises, against the Madden consumer."

Nice - you not only are paying 20% more for a HD copy of Madden, now you do not even get the whole game in the box. This is EAs new operating strategy you may or may not be surprised to know EA lost money last year, despite being the 2nd biggest 3rd part publisher of games behind Activision.

EAs plan to turn that around is pay DLC - they stated earlier this year they plan to have pay DLC and/or subscription online fees in EVERY game they sell. How much are YOU going to pay for what you used to get as part of your software purchase? I can't wait to see how people defend this one - it is 'great' when retail game releases become platforms unto themselves - a base from which to sell more software.

And it REALLY sickens me when people whine about Nintendo not 'catching up' in this online marketplace. Ugh. You do not know how good we have it. Also this is going to widen the gap between the blockbuster games and medium sized 3rd party games - instead of buying different additional software, more and more often your money will be tied into buying additional software from the major EA (or whichever major publisher) game that is already 'purchased'.

This is bad for the industry - more erosion for the overall health of the industry, less variety, and less power for the consumers. For whom the bell tolls, it keeps tolling for console gaming....

Oh my God this is terrible and incorrect. You clearly have no idea how the industry works, if if you were in control of a company it would quickly go bankrupt.

You would also make a miserable journalist, because no one would bother to answer your questions.

DLC is clearly a positive move for the industry (just like Cloud Computing has been a positive development in business). It will improve opportunities for indie developers, improve the profitibility of publishers by giving them more revenue options, and thus giving those same publishers more money to put into new titles, and will thus benefits to consumers.

Yeah, right.

First of all digital is VERY bad for the consumer because it puts major strings on what you can do with it. It take power away from the buyer and gives it to the seller. It eliminates the 2nd hand game market. It kills trade in value. It kills selling software you were not satisfied with. It has NOT been a positive for the game consumer. At all.

Dont YOU tell me how to run a business - lol, obviously EA cannot afford to have the true cost of their software reflected in the retail price - I guess even the hardcore would balk at $70 or $80 games - so they make it up with digital and subscription. It is so clueless of people on these boards to criticse Nintendo fro keeping costs down on their digital service with file restriction when neither the 360 or PS3 platforms have come CLOSE to break even, And accesories go up to cover the cost, and software goes up, and less risks are takem outside of established brands.

EA sells a ton of games and squeezes smaller companies out, but they still lose money - how in the HELL is that good for the game business? So to compensate they become a platform unto themselves and sell 'accessory' software out of a retail product. Which takes still more dollars for other pieces of software from smaller game companies, squeezing out competing games again - how in the hell is that good for the industry? Yay, the giant publishers become even bigger and more homoginised! YAY?

@ Adam -

Yeah I do and I expect it from you as well. Do you have a problem with asserting your rights with Nintendo and have them guarantee to provide support in the coming years? You should read the one sided end user license agreement - really if you cannot think of a better contract for yourself than that, you should have self esteem classes. If that were a contract to buy a new car, or even a computer, you would never sign it. But games - hundreds of dollars worth for many of you - hey, who cares? Don't you want refunds when you buy a bad games? Don't you care? Don't you want to be able to KNOW you can play your games in coming years? Don't you want to be treated fairly with a retail purchase and not be nickle and dimed? Don't you want to not play the russian roulette game of the inevitable price hikes with the subscription services?? click click clickty click BANG!

Mark my words, soon you will al get burned, badly. And then what you gonna say?

Really am I the bad guy here? Alls I want is game ownership and my moneys worth. I want price to reflect cost, and vice versa. If EAs game cost are out of control the REIGN THEM IN , do not pass the buck to me - I gave at the office!

This HD gen is a big joke, just big piles of money being burned and gamers asked to pay more and more and more. And any one who speaks up gets crapped on by the industry pall bearers(you). Put yourself first for once.

More than meets the eye!

Percentful

Ok, so now, we come to the main question. Are you a have-the-last-word freak, do you have trouble admitting you're wrong, or are you just so egotistical you think no one else can be right other than you?

Just let it happen.

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Starscream

Hyper+Knuckles wrote:

As Waltz said to you Starscreamer, you have NO CLUE about how DLC has affected the industry in a POSITIVE way.

Tell me, would Mega Man 9 and Mega Man 10 suceeded if they were released on physical format today? Of course not! The game is doing great as a downloadable game. You absolutely make no sense at all, and you never will.

Also, you are trying to tell the NL staff what to do, and you cannot tell them what to do. If you are so concerned about the game industry, become a journalist and start your own anti-digital gaming website, but it will never succeed. What an useless and ridiculous topic.

Megaman would do even better. How did NSMBWii become one of the fastest and biggest selling games of all time???

Lets see 15 million retail sales vs a couple of hundred thousand downlaods? Why is the digital audience so much smaller than the retail one????

Its not like Capcom has had better retail releases on WIi than their digital ones - put your best games in front of the consumer and see what happens. $20 MMans would most CERTAINLY sell - and you know it.

More than meets the eye!

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