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Devil_Hunter_Dante

21. Posted:

Personally I have not watched late night talk shows since I was 16 and that was 11 years ago. I never really liked Letterman or Leno, sure they have a good joke here and there. I am more into story driven television and Scifi shows like Star Trek and Stargate. I think its his business and I do not condone it in the least. Its just his life and not mine so its not my business to pry.

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No, TG, the surprise would have been if you didn't bring it up to begin with.

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23. Posted:

Turbo+Genesis+64 wrote:

2. deadly.by.design is so correct. Affairs aren't mistakes; they are dirty secrets that are revealed. Dave had no intentions in revealing these before this whole criminal fiasco.

Why would he have had intentions of revealing them? As he said--correctly--in his apology, if anyone wanted to reveal this information, it should have been him, or the women involved. It's nobody else's business until somebody decides to make it everyone's business.

Also, do we know that he had an affair? Last I heard, these flings happened before he married his current wife. I haven't been following it, but unless it's been confirmed, it's a bit much to make an assumption like that.

Bear in mind, too, that entertainers do not into any kind of "morality clause" when they decide to entertain us. It's not part of the agreement. Famous people engage in unsavory behaviors. Just like your boss, your teacher, your neighbors, the check-out girl at Target, the guy in front of you at the stoplight, the crossing guard, and everybody else who ever walked the earth. The most you can ask of an entertainer is that they don't run around rubbing their selfish, foolish decisions in everybody's face...and that's exactly what Letterman practiced. Somebody attempted to undermine that, so Letterman took the wind out of his sails by admitting to it, and asking that we move on. A rational, intelligent way to handle the situation.

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24. Posted:

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I don't think humorists have to worry about "credibility" in the same way that anchor people or politicians do. He's always been an entertainer, 100% of the time, and you don't need credibility to be successful at that. (How much credibility does Adam Sandler have?)

Regarding hypocrisy, well, Walt Whitman put it most wisely: "Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself."

Nobody's perfect, we all make mistakes, we all do foolish things that we know are wrong. This is a matter for David, the women in question, and his family to deal with. He does not affect the lives of others in the same way that those in positions of power do, so I'm not too concerned with it. They're consenting adults. If he's got anybody to apologize to, it's his family...not us.

Yeah I totally agree. And I always feel like, with entertainers and stuff, none of this is really our business. What do I care if Tom Cruise is a crazy scientologist? His movies are usually pretty darn awesome. What do I care if David Letterman has had multiple affairs? Sure it's really shallow and sleezy, but that's none of my business. And besides, he makes me laugh.

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25. Posted:

And I've always been more of a Conan fan, anyway.

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What would he need credibility for? And how is he a hypocrite. He made jokes about other people's sexual endeavors because it was funny. And the fact that he himself has been sexually liberal doesn't make the jokes any less funny, the jokes were funny all by themselves.

Also, Letterman had sex? Here's novel idea. Who the hell gives a poo-poo! In fact, that goes for every celebrity that are involved in "sex scandals". Unless I'm the one having the sex, I don't really care. As a source of laughter it's fine, if something is funny it's funny... Or for trivia purposes (although imagining Letterman having sex is truly disturbing). But as a reason to pass judgment on anyone it's totally useless.

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ballistikboy

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I dunno... the man always talked about not wearing any pants, his production company was called Worldwide Pants... I dunno.. I think the writing is on the wall.. lol..

but you know, it really is bad business sense... he must be terrible to work for.

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28. Posted:

Kid_A wrote:

And I've always been more of a Conan fan, anyway.

Me too!!! Right on!

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29. Posted:

I think it's not that big of a deal and I'm sure it doesn't hurt his show or his humour much.

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30. Posted:

Chicken+Brutus wrote:

Turbo+Genesis+64 wrote:

2. deadly.by.design is so correct. Affairs aren't mistakes; they are dirty secrets that are revealed. Dave had no intentions in revealing these before this whole criminal fiasco.

Why would he have had intentions of revealing them? As he said--correctly--in his apology, if anyone wanted to reveal this information, it should have been him, or the women involved. It's nobody else's business until somebody decides to make it everyone's business.

Also, do we know that he had an affair? Last I heard, these flings happened before he married his current wife. I haven't been following it, but unless it's been confirmed, it's a bit much to make an assumption like that.

Bear in mind, too, that entertainers do not into any kind of "morality clause" when they decide to entertain us. It's not part of the agreement. Famous people engage in unsavory behaviors. Just like your boss, your teacher, your neighbors, the check-out girl at Target, the guy in front of you at the stoplight, the crossing guard, and everybody else who ever walked the earth. The most you can ask of an entertainer is that they don't run around rubbing their selfish, foolish decisions in everybody's face...and that's exactly what Letterman practiced. Somebody attempted to undermine that, so Letterman took the wind out of his sails by admitting to it, and asking that we move on. A rational, intelligent way to handle the situation.

From what I can gather, he has been dating his wife for 23. years. So perhaps they had an open relationship? Anyways,there are plenty of details that are still fuzzy.

However, Dave's admission wasn't that he "dated" women from the show, but had "sex" with women from the show and that seems to imply that he as an employer may have used "favors" to advance co-workers which of course is wrong.

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31. Posted:

I don't think it's hypocritical if he cracks jokes about himself doing it too. I can't really see this hurting his image, since he never pretended to be some sort of responsible person in the first place, and there are a lot of people that probably think it's cool for a guy to sleep with a lot of young women.

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32. Posted:

Turbo+Genesis+64 wrote:

However, Dave's admission wasn't that he "dated" women from the show, but had "sex" with women from the show and that seems to imply that he as an employer may have used "favors" to advance co-workers which of course is wrong.

'seems to imply' my foot -- the fact that he had relations with some people who also worked on the show implies nothing on its own. why can't a woman sleep with a man holding a superior position at the workplace without the insinuation that she's trying to sleep her way to the top? >:/

either way, do we know that he directly had any kind of power over who did and did not advance within the company? if he did, some passed-over candidates for promotion may have some legal recourse... other than that, the 'who cares?' sentiment totally stands. :3

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33. Posted:

Not only did he cheat on his wife, but he also crossed ethical lines by having relations with his employees. What he did was very immoral. The CBS newsman who blackmailed him was also doing something very immoral. Not only is blackmail itself wrong, but the exposure of these affairs humiliated Letterman's wife and child.

The greatest losers will never be the men and women involved in the sex scandal, but the wives, husbands, and children of those involved.

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Machu

34. Posted:

I really don't understand this topic. He's an entertainer, he is not expected to be responsible like the politicians he is compared to in the OP. I like Letterman, and have been watching his show from across the pond for quite a few years now. I don't take him seriously, he makes me laugh, and that won't change.

Worse things are happening in the world, who cares!

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clicketyclick wrote:

The greatest losers will never be the men and women involved in the sex scandal, but the wives, husbands, and children of those involved.

I never really understood this sentiment, myself. Cheating is the ultimate relationship sucker punch, those that do it are lame, and those that get it done to them get hurt, sure. But I think calling them the "greatest losers" (as is those that lost the most, not "ha-ha-loser" losers) is more a result of how society looks at them and not so much reality. What did they lose? The egomaniacal womanizing cheat of a husband? The two-timing wife who was distracted from her vows by the name on the shiny billboard lights? The "dad" who didn't have it in him to not mortify his kids in front of their peers? For my part? I say good riddance.

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They lost face. The child will end up blaming himself or feel that his father doesn't love him and his mother and might get teased in school. And both the wife and son will have to endure seeing this on the news for months. That's one hell of a way to rub salt on the wounds. And they didn't even do anything wrong!

No-one wants their family's dirty laundry aired in public. It would hurt enough to just have him admit it privately, but to have everyone hear about this is humiliating. It's not how society looks at them. It's how people feel when it's done to them. In fact, I think society doesn't look at them the same way they feel, which is probably why you can't understand the sentiment.

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37. Posted:

Here's Dave's confession for those of you who missed it.

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38. Posted:

Or, maybe it's that if someone wants to come into my house and steal my trash, that's fine with me.

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Machu

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"I'm motivated by nothing but guilt"

:) I like Dave, and thought that was very brave of him. Thanks for the link TG64.

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irken004

40. Posted:

He's not a hypocrite! He's just a bad TV host.

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