I really liked the way they did Bowser in Galaxy. He's still evil, but it's spiced up somehow, making it really cool. Maybe it was just that amazing boss fight music, though.
I am a fan of the idiotic Bowser from the RPG's. I wish some of that would slip into the other games.
I've got nothing against Ganondorf at all, but they HAVE proven several times that Zelda works fine without him (Link's Awakening...shadow form of final boss doesn't count, Majora's Mask, Minish Cap, and Phantom Hourglass...also probably Spirit tracks imo, though that's obviously speculation). I can deal with it whether he's in or not. In other words, I don't really care too much one way or the other.
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I don't think that they should get rid of any of them. I mean yes, Ganondorf can be slightly overused at times. But they should add Vaati as the new villian on the Next Wii Zelda.
I think they should still be in the games one way or another. Just maybe portrayed in a different way. For example, I've started to get annoyed with Ganondorf being so arrogant, even though Link has beaten him every time! Maybe he should try a different approach from the same one that has failed time and time again!
It surprises me how many people would rather lose Ganondorf than Bowser. Crazy. Bowser is much more shallow a villain than Ganon. I like how they portray the Legend of Zelda (according to The Windwaker) as a predestined set of events over many generations, so it makes it acceptable for it to be the same plot over and over, because it is the people's predestined fate in each new era. With Mario, I just think Bowser should give up, and take the role he plays in the RPGs.
But a shallow villain is what the game calls for. An overblown villain would be ridiculous in a Mario game.
Zelda is more serious, and people care more about its world. Having the same villain used over and over for over 25 years gets old when the players continually demand for the story to be taken more seriously. Sure, you can say that it makes sense if you think of it as each generation having to face the same troubles, but that doesn't make it any less repetitive and boring than it is -- it just explains why it's repetitive and boring.
Mario's about action. You don't need narrative context to want to squash a goomba. Goombas are made for squashing. But we want to know why Link is running around Hyrule this time, and to kill the same jerk he's killed at least five times now (six if you count Zelda II where he prevented Ganon's resurrection) is becoming a less compelling reason with each entry in the series.
True, "you don't need narrative content to squash a goomba", but that doesn't stop them from trying to put it in there. SMG was a step in the direction of actual plot in a Mario game, and with the villain being as ridiculous and idiotic as he is, they'll need a replacement if they hope to milk some sort of plot out of the world of Mario.
I see what you mean. Yea, that was the biggest misstep Galaxy made, I thought. The atmosphere was much too somber for a Mario game. I'm glad to see New Super Mario Bros. Wii is taking it lightly. I hope Galaxy 2 skips story altogether.
If they do continue adding plot to 3D Mario, yes, they need a new villain, but really, the more appropriate thing to do would just be not to add plot in the first place. Mario 64's plot was the best so far for the 3D series: Princess Peach baked a cake, so Mario came to the castle. Bowser captured Princess Peach, so Mario fights Bowser. Mario defeats Bowser, so Princess Peach is saved. The end.
I see what you mean. Yea, that was the biggest misstep Galaxy made, I thought. The atmosphere was much too somber for a Mario game. I'm glad to see New Super Mario Bros. Wii is taking it lightly. I hope Galaxy 2 skips story altogether.
If they do continue adding plot to 3D Mario, yes, they need a new villain, but really, the more appropriate thing to do would just be not to add plot in the first place. Mario 64's plot was the best so far for the 3D series: Princess Peach baked a cake, so Mario came to the castle. Bowser captured Princess Peach, so Mario fights Bowser. Mario defeats Bowser, so Princess Peach is saved. The end.
Oh by the way, spoiler alert.
Damn you! You ruined it for me now! I never would have saw that coming.
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Ganon wasn't in Phantom Hourglass? Who was the final boss?
Looks like SOMEBODY hasn't finished (maybe not even played) Phantom Hourglass...it's this new baddie called Bellum.
Of COURSE Ganon wasn't in Phantom Hourglass, though. He can't be in two Zelda games starring the same Link, and PH is a direct sequel to Wind Waker.
Yeah, that wouldn't make much sense if he were in PH, because, as I said earlier, he was stabbed in the head, turned to stone, and drowned beneath the entire ocean before...
I played it. Got bored out of my mind. Versus mode rocked my socks, however, and was the only reason I waited so long to sell my DS. If the versus mode is somehow improved in The Legend of Zelda: My First Train, I'll have to get a DSi just for that.
I don't know why you guys act like it's such a silly question since he died in the game before. News Flash: He has already died a million bazillion times. And every time he comes back. Snore.
@Adam: But he never comes back for the SAME LINK! That's why the kid from OoT met up with Majora's mask instead of Ganondorf, and Zelda II had Link PREVENTING Ganon's return.
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