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Topic: Should Nintendo get rid of Ganondorf and/or Bowser?

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grenworthshero

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As for me, I think it's about time they came up with something new. I know that Ganon and Bowser have been around forever, and it just wouldn't be the same, but look how many people loved Majora's Mask. Besides, you'd think the two of them have had enough. In Windwaker, Ganondorf gets a sword stabbed into his skull and then he turns to stone and then he is buried at the bottom of the ocean. In SMG, Bowser falls into a planet of lava which subsequently explodes.

I'm not saying they should completely get rid of them, but I think the approach Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door takes is better. In TYD, there is a main villian threatening the world and Bowser takes a more comical backseat. I think it's about time Mario and Peach realize what a moron he is and do something about it.

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It's long overdue. Why Nintendo doesn't use Vaati more baffles me. He's more colorful and interesting than Ganon. I wonder if it's a pride thing since Capcom invented him. They clearly have the rights to the character, as Four Swords Adventure proved, so it's not that.

Bowser definitely needs to be a permanent Mario character though. His role in the RPGs is always hilarious. As a final boss though, yes, he could use a rest. Wart or even Wario ought to step back in.

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Actually I cant wait for Bowsers Inside story just so I can control Bowser again. Super Mari RPG is one of my favs just because of the fact that I could have Bowser and Mario on the same team. Just awesome.

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Vaati isent a constant he's someone complety diferent in TP and MC but I woud like see more of him or other original baddies I can honestly say I was actully a little disapointed at TP when... ( I dont have the heart to be a spoiler)

EDIT: err never mind I dont know why I thought Zant was Vaati :P

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Adam

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Um... TP? He's not in Twilight Princess. Vaati is in Four Swords, Minish Cap, and Four Swords Adventure. That's all.

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I say Ganondorf and Bowser should stay. I like them both just the way they are.

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I actually really liked the way it worked in TP. I liked the fact that Zant was the main villain, even though he was kind of worthless, that was the point; he was just a puppet to Ganondorf. Still, the fact that they were bound by the necessity to plop Ganondorf in there somewhere ruined some of the plot because he kind of didn't fit.

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I started a thread on this over at Gamespot, specifically on Bowser (but I got suspended for 3 days for no reason. Which is why I'm here so much now :p ). I really think it's time for a change. Ganon is now a part of the Zelda timeline, so if they ever visit a part of the Zelda timeline where Ganon would've existed, it would make sense to bring him back. Bowser, however, has died at least 47 times, and never seems to actually...die. Mario's had some other villians in the RPG games, but none have been that memorable. If Nintendo puts some work into it, I think they could give Mario a worthy new villain.

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weirdadam wrote:

It's long overdue. Why Nintendo doesn't use Vaati more baffles me. He's more colorful and interesting than Ganon. I wonder if it's a pride thing since Capcom invented him. They clearly have the rights to the character, as Four Swords Adventure proved, so it's not that.

I didn't think Vaati was that great, but I would love to see more of Zant from TP. And this time he could be his own man, rather than Ganondorf's assistant. Oh, and Onox from Oracle of Seasons should totally come back too! Though, since he was in Capcom's game, that might not be possible. :(

God, all these plot twists people keep revealing make me really want to dig out Twilight Princess again!

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Bowser definitely needs to be a permanent Mario character though. His role in the RPGs is always hilarious. As a final boss though, yes, he could use a rest. Wart or even Wario ought to step back in.

Yeah, Bowser definitely needs a break. When I first heard about Super Mario Galaxy, early reports of the story said she was supposed to be kidnapped by an alien. My initial thoughts were "Oh yay we finally get a new villain!", but then I found out later that Bowser was gonna be the villain, and my thoughts "Oh man, him again!?!?"

I'm waiting for Tatanga from Super Mario Land to make a comeback myself. :)

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Like Geno?

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grenworthshero wrote:

I actually really liked the way it worked in TP. I liked the fact that Zant was the main villain, even though he was kind of worthless, that was the point; he was just a puppet to Ganondorf. Still, the fact that they were bound by the necessity to plop Ganondorf in there somewhere ruined some of the plot because he kind of didn't fit.

I loved the way they worked Ganon in. Even though it wasn't necessary, I think they handled it very well. How Zant recieved his powers from Ganondorf...it worked. I liked it. Plus Zant turned out to be kind of a turd at the end.

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Kid_A wrote:

I started a thread on this over at Gamespot, specifically on Bowser (but I got suspended for 3 days for no reason. Which is why I'm here so much now :p ). I really think it's time for a change. Ganon is now a part of the Zelda timeline, so if they ever visit a part of the Zelda timeline where Ganon would've existed, it would make sense to bring him back. Bowser, however, has died at least 47 times, and never seems to actually...die. Mario's had some other villians in the RPG games, but none have been that memorable. If Nintendo puts some work into it, I think they could give Mario a worthy new villain.

A clone of him died it seems like. That's why we got Dry Bowser! :-D

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I like them both the way they are. Mario and Zelda games were never about story anyway.

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If you think about it Bowser is slowly stepping down as a Main villain TYD, Super Paper Mario, Bowser's inside story. I'd say he is becoming similar to Dedede (a jerk and a bully but not a bad person) I'm sure it wont be long till Bowser gets his own game free of Mario or Luigi

Mario(duh) Yoshi, Wario, Luigi, Peach even Toad(i think) all have had their own games its Bowser's turn

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jpfan1989 wrote:

If you think about it Bowser is slowly stepping down as a Main villain TYD, Super Paper Mario, Bowser's inside story. I'd say he is becoming similar to Dedede (a jerk and a bully but not a bad person) I'm sure it wont be long till Bowser gets his own game free of Mario or Luigi

Mario(duh) Yoshi, Wario, Luigi, Peach even Toad(i think) all have had their own games its Bowser's turn

That's a good point. I never thought of the comparison to Dedede. But it's true. They've morphed Bowser from being evil to just being a very dense jerk.

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NEVER!

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I think that Ganondorf and Bowser are perfectly fine in my opinion. I can't even believe that there are those who'd think of getting rid of such well loved characters. These characters are part of our Nintendo lives and I do not think that they should be retired.

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@ JPFan
That is only in the RPG games. His personality is completely different between the RPGs and the traditional Mario games. When he is the actual boss of the game, there is no goofiness to him. He's all seriousness. Miyamoto is not very involved in the RPGs like he is in the main series, so he may not like this caricature of Bowser. But I think the difference is that the RPG is supposed to be a separate series that in many ways is a parody of the main series. Bowser's personality has not changed from the Mario 64 to Galaxy, despite what the RPGs have done in the mean time.

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Get rid of Bowser?! Insanity!
Ganondorf is a rather bland villian so they can do whatever with him.

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No I don't think Nintendo should get rid of any of them.

The great thing about Nintendo is, they can keep repeating a sameish plot for the Mario and Zelda series and yet the games will still be great.

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