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Topic: Shigeru Miyamoto "I have never said that video games are an art"

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OptometristLime	21. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 22:46 GMT Enjoying this thread so far. Whirlpool wrote: I'm sorry, but Miyamoto is becoming a bit irrelevant to Nintendo nowadays. ^ that seems unwarranted. Especially given that this thread is evidence of his continued relevance; the man just received an award! Miyamoto will remain a rock star, the more he shies from the lime light the greater his legend will grow. :3
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Chrono_Cross	22. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 22:49 GMT Bankai wrote: I was offended. I can't believe I am in the same "group" as the Mel Gibson dude. I can't believe that's a bad thing. Now I'm offended. Edited on Wed 13th February, 2013 @ 22:53 by Chrono_Cross
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Bankai	23. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 22:58 GMT Though to be honest, from his point of view I can actually understand him. If I were to make a game to sell it, the last thing I would want to consider it is "art". It would be a product, maybe a personal favorite, but not art. You do realise how very few professional novelists/ poets/ musicians/ filmmakers/ painters/ photographers/ sculptors/ actors/ playwrights do their work without planning to make money from it? By your logic there art is a mythological creation that doesn't actually exist in the world.
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Morphtorok	24. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 23:06 GMT No, by my logic, things end up being art because people appreciate them, not because the creator says so. If you go around with a bucket full of ego claiming everything you create is art then the day your "art" fails will be the worst day of your life. Edited on Wed 13th February, 2013 @ 23:13 by Morphtorok
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Dev	25. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 23:10 GMT Most people think of painting, drawing, and sculpting when someone says the word, "art" but it's much broader than that. Art can also refer to writing, theater, and music, and that's where the plural word, "arts" comes from. I'm going to have to disagree with Miyamoto because video game developers artistically create sprites or 3D models of characters and game environments and objects. Sure, people interact with the art, but actors and actresses interact in the art of theater. Art takes creativity to make, and creativity is a must in order to make video games.
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Bankai	26. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 23:17 GMT Morphtroid wrote: No, by my logic, things end up being art because people appreciate them, not because the creator says so. If you go around with a bucket full of ego claiming everything you create is art then the day your "art" fails will be the worst day of your life. I'm a published author. I didn't go around thinking I was writing a piece of art while I was writing the piece. But I was well aware that literature is a form of art. It would make me genuinely sad to find that Miyamoto legitimately thought the entire games industry had no artistic value. I do hope he was merely misquoted.
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Ark_Sin	27. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 23:20 GMT Bankai wrote: Chrono_Cross wrote: CaptainMorpheus wrote: I knew it was either you, Canis, or Waltz who'd make a thread like this. I'm not even surprised anymore. I'm not sure if I want to be offended or laugh. I think I'll go with the latter. As for me, video games being art depends on the game in its entirety. I was offended. I can't believe I am in the same "group" as the Mel Gibson dude. You are very welcome, good sir.
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Morphtorok	28. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 23:24 GMT Bankai wrote: Morphtroid wrote: No, by my logic, things end up being art because people appreciate them, not because the creator says so. If you go around with a bucket full of ego claiming everything you create is art then the day your "art" fails will be the worst day of your life. I'm a published author. I didn't go around thinking I was writing a piece of art while I was writing the piece. But I was well aware that literature is a form of art. It would make me genuinely sad to find that Miyamoto legitimately thought the entire games industry had no artistic value. I do hope he was merely misquoted. Oh well don't worry then, from that quote, he never said video games had no artistic potential or value... He just said that, from his developer point of view, Nintendo games were not art, just products. To me, considering your own work as art and being vocal about it is kinda arrogant. I'd like to think it's the same for him. That would explain what he said. Even then, he's just a man, he can have his own opinion. He started working on them as a full grown adult, it's not strange if he doesn't consider them to be art. Edited on Wed 13th February, 2013 @ 23:49 by Morphtorok
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OptometristLime	29. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 23:33 GMT I consider these two points to be equivalent, adjusting for personal bias. Miyamoto offering a strict definition of his work. Morphtroid wrote: Though to be honest, from his point of view I can actually understand him. If I were to make a game to sell it, the last thing I would want to consider it is "art". It would be a product, maybe a personal favorite, but not art. Bankai wrote: I do suspect what Miyamoto's is refering to here is INTENTION. Certainly in big budget games there has always been the intention to make a produc that makes money. But the same is true about blockbuster Hollywood. Anyone think that films can't be art because of Hollywood? A surprisingly short sighted argument from the great man. He was either misquoted or quoted out of context, surely. I disagree with the last bit given what precedes, but that's beside the point.
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WesCash	30. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 23:35 GMT I don't think Miyamoto really intended to make a definitive statement about videogames as art. I think he's just a modest guy that cares about his customers.
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Ark_Sin	31. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 23:38 GMT I also think none of these posts are going to ~~reason with~~ change @Chrono_Cross' opinions. Honestly, if a dude like Miyamoto, who makes games that often go beyond the lines of awesome, thinks his work isn't art, then I'd pay to see what he considers "art."
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Morphtorok	32. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 23:39 GMT CaptainMorpheus wrote: I also think none of these posts are going to ~~reason with~~ change @Chrono_Cross' opinions. Honestly, if a dude like Miyamoto, who makes games that often go beyond the lines of awesome, thinks his work isn't art, then I'd pay to see what he considers "art." Wait, what was Chrono's opinion anyway?
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Ark_Sin	33. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 23:42 GMT Morphtroid wrote: CaptainMorpheus wrote: I also think none of these posts are going to ~~reason with~~ change @Chrono_Cross' opinions. Honestly, if a dude like Miyamoto, who makes games that often go beyond the lines of awesome, thinks his work isn't art, then I'd pay to see what he considers "art." Wait, what was Chrono's opinion anyway? Exactly! Why was this thread made again?
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Retro_on_theGo	34. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 23:45 GMT Bankai wrote: Morphtroid wrote: No, by my logic, things end up being art because people appreciate them, not because the creator says so. If you go around with a bucket full of ego claiming everything you create is art then the day your "art" fails will be the worst day of your life. I'm a published author. I didn't go around thinking I was writing a piece of art while I was writing the piece. But I was well aware that literature is a form of art. It would make me genuinely sad to find that Miyamoto legitimately thought the entire games industry had no artistic value. I do hope he was merely misquoted. Holy crud. You wrote a book!?
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SMEXIZELDAMAN	35. Posted: Wed 13th Feb 2013 23:55 GMT He is right, of course. Videogames aren't art desu~.
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Bankai	36. Posted: Thu 14th Feb 2013 00:02 GMT Retro_on_theGo wrote: Bankai wrote: Morphtroid wrote: No, by my logic, things end up being art because people appreciate them, not because the creator says so. If you go around with a bucket full of ego claiming everything you create is art then the day your "art" fails will be the worst day of your life. I'm a published author. I didn't go around thinking I was writing a piece of art while I was writing the piece. But I was well aware that literature is a form of art. It would make me genuinely sad to find that Miyamoto legitimately thought the entire games industry had no artistic value. I do hope he was merely misquoted. Holy crud. You wrote a book!? Not yet. I contributed to a compilation of short stories/ novellas, it was a competition-style thing for up-and-coming authors a few years back. I'm not even sure I have a copy of it any more. It was a pretty crappy book, lol. I'm in the process of writing a book but at the rate I'm going it'll be years before I let anyone look at it.
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Admin theblackdragon	37. Posted: Thu 14th Feb 2013 00:16 GMT CaptainMorpheus wrote: Morphtroid wrote: CaptainMorpheus wrote: I also think none of these posts are going to ~~reason with~~ change @Chrono_Cross' opinions. Honestly, if a dude like Miyamoto, who makes games that often go beyond the lines of awesome, thinks his work isn't art, then I'd pay to see what he considers "art." Wait, what was Chrono's opinion anyway? Exactly! Why was this thread made again? Who cares? Either discuss the topic at hand or knock it off plz.
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CanisWolfred	38. Posted: Thu 14th Feb 2013 00:21 GMT WesCash wrote: I don't think Miyamoto really intended to make a definitive statement about videogames as art. I think he's just a modest guy that cares about his customers. That's sure what it sounds like, doesn't it?
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Chrono_Cross	39. Posted: Thu 14th Feb 2013 00:28 GMT Morphtroid wrote: CaptainMorpheus wrote: I also think none of these posts are going to ~~reason with~~ change @Chrono_Cross' opinions. Honestly, if a dude like Miyamoto, who makes games that often go beyond the lines of awesome, thinks his work isn't art, then I'd pay to see what he considers "art." Wait, what was Chrono's opinion anyway? I'm not sure what I said that has angered him and Waltz but it seems like it's personal.
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Staff Philip_J_Reed	40. Posted: Thu 14th Feb 2013 00:29 GMT Here's a novel idea: don't get hung up on what other people do or don't think is art, and decide for yourself what you think is art. You'll breathe easier that way.
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