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Dizzy_Boy

@TrueWiiMaster i don`t think anybody really cares about the 4th as far as i`m aware.
it`s one thing to learn about it, but`s it`s another to celebrate it.
besides, the people who rule the common wealth aren`t exactly going to miss one less territory really are they.
besides, we gave you independance. you gave us McDonalds and coca cola. although i`ve been told that the food in UK McDonalds are no way near as tasty as the USA McDonalds, which i can believe as i hate McDonalds food. Burger king is far better.
@korbin64 the discovery channels are just as bad for going nuts over both world wars.
with discovery, if it`s not about the WW`s, then it`s egypt related, or about trains and the industrial revelution. that`s all we seem to get history related on tv and in the schools.

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@Lolli, I guess I just take history more serious than you.

Hm. That's one theory.

I suspect patriotism is getting to your head a little though. It's the fourth of July, so we can forgive you for it, but it might be a good idea to put American history in perspective first before you start criticising other nation's approach to history that is relatively unimportant to them.

SamuraiShyGuy

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@Lolli, I guess I just take history more serious than you.

Hm. That's one theory.

I suspect patriotism is getting to your head a little though. It's the fourth of July, so we can forgive you for it, but it might be a good idea to put American history in perspective first before you start criticising other nation's approach to history that is relatively unimportant to them.

I don't believe I was criticizing, just thought it was weird. I'm not saying all countries should learn everything about America. I guess it's like they say, the nation that wins the war is the one that writes the history book. In this case, it's the nation that wins the war teaches the war, I guess.

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I have to agree with @Chocoboloco. So far in my schooling, we've gone quite in depth with individual parts of the world in history, yet spent little time with American History. There's just not enough to it.

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TrueWiiMaster

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I think ShyGuy's point was that the American colonies were a part of British history, and as such it's odd to leave them out of the history books. He wasn't saying students should be taught about every country in-depth.

I still can't help but it think it strange that the colonies and Revolutionary War get so little attention in Britain. I understand that they have thousands of years of history to go through, but the colonies were a part of British history for hundreds of years before they gained their independence. Though obviously not part of mainland Britain, the colonies were a part of the nation; the colonists were British citizens. The very founding of the colonies was a pretty significant undertaking in and of itself, and had various international issues involving Britain, France, and Spain. The British even fought a war or two over here (not counting the Revolutionary War)! It just seems so weird to leave all that out of a British history class.

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I wasn't expecting anyone outside the US to celebrate, or even remember, the 4th. I just thought that British textbooks would teach the colony part of British history, which includes early America. Also, that "one less territory" was a pretty large chunk of property, and the ruling group cared enough to fight a war over it. It wasn't just nothing to them. That brings me to my next point. Britain didn't give us our independence. We took it. Many men died to get it. It was a gift from them, not from Britain.

That's interesting about McDonalds, though. From what I've heard, the best McDonalds are in the east. Supposedly people there don't eat as much fast food as us westerners, preferring to sit down and eat. As such, they get "sit down and eat" quality food. My marketing teacher told me about a case where a drive thru opened somewhere in China, and people actually went through the drive thru, then parked and came in to eat. That's how foreign the idea of eating on the go was to them, at least at the time.

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theblackdragon

@TrueWiiMaster: It may seem odd to some Americans, since it's pretty much the founding of our country, but what about all the other colonies Britain had during their days of Empire? the 13 original colonies weren't the first British colonies, and they weren't the last, either. this amazing list details all the territories they've had their hands on over the centuries, can you see yet why perhaps we form only a small portion of their curriculum, if any at all? and that's just their days of Empire — again, they've got an incredibly rich history to cram into however many years of mandatory schooling they put their children through (which isn't nearly enough to go into all of it in detail, I'm sure).

if you consider all of that, it doesn't seem that odd at all.

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TrueWiiMaster wrote:

@TBD
I think ShyGuy's point was that the American colonies were a part of British history, and as such it's odd to leave them out of the history books. He wasn't saying students should be taught about every country in-depth.

I still can't help but it think it strange that the colonies and Revolutionary War get so little attention in Britain. I understand that they have thousands of years of history to go through, but the colonies were a part of British history for hundreds of years before they gained their independence. Though obviously not part of mainland Britain, the colonies were a part of the nation; the colonists were British citizens. The very founding of the colonies was a pretty significant undertaking in and of itself, and had various international issues involving Britain, France, and Spain. The British even fought a war or two over here (not counting the Revolutionary War)! It just seems so weird to leave all that out of a British history class.

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Do you have any idea how many wars England has fought in?

You would need decades to properly cover everything from Roman times, to 1066, to the 100 year war, to the English Civil War, to the American Revolution, to World War 1 & 2 and more modern conflicts.

I really hate to burst the bubble, but the American War of Independence means almost nothing to the broader history of the world, even to England. They settled America, they lost the war. Bam and done - that's all British students really need to learn. I'm no educator, but I would rather my students learn about their own country first, rather than the formation of another one.

Don't take it personally - I'm pretty sure they don't learn how Australia became independent bloodlessly, either. In fact, did you know that Australia is the only settled continent not to experience a civil war? No? I bet most don't. Because it's completely irrelevant to anyone who isn't Australian.

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FonistofCruxis

theblackdragon wrote:

SamuraiShyGuy wrote:

I'm very surprised to hear in this thread that it's not even taught in Britain. In America we have classes in American history and world history, so for British students not to be taught about their own history seems absurd to me. You can't just cut out the pieces in history you don't like.

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you're joking, right? Our own history classes gloss over Vietnam and the Korean Wars at best (they don't call Korea 'the forgotten war' for no reason). why is it so surprising to learn that what's a big deal in one country's history is just a blurb to another country? they've got other things to learn about — like the rest of their countries' histories, lol.

Actually, I'm English and did the Vietnam and Korean wars for GCSE history. The other subjects I did for GCSE history were World war I and Mao's China. I never did the American revolutionary war though.

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FonistofCruxis wrote:

theblackdragon wrote:

SamuraiShyGuy wrote:

I'm very surprised to hear in this thread that it's not even taught in Britain. In America we have classes in American history and world history, so for British students not to be taught about their own history seems absurd to me. You can't just cut out the pieces in history you don't like.

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you're joking, right? Our own history classes gloss over Vietnam and the Korean Wars at best (they don't call Korea 'the forgotten war' for no reason). why is it so surprising to learn that what's a big deal in one country's history is just a blurb to another country? they've got other things to learn about — like the rest of their countries' histories, lol.

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Actually, I'm English and did the Vietnam and Korean wars for GCSE history. The other subjects I did for GCSE history were World war I and Mao's China. I never did the American revolutionary war though.

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People study the Vietnam and Korean wars because they're case studies in human stupidity. They're important wars to remember because they really shouldn't happen again.

Of course, they have happened again with Iraq and Afghanistan, but that's another topic for another day.

The American War of Independence, on the other hand, doesn't teach us anything, aside from how America became independent. It's a value-less war from a historical perspective to anyone who isn't an American.

Do you learn about the Sengoku period in America? No? Same reason - useless knowledge at school-level.

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theblackdragon

@FonistOfCruxis: I'm American, and so is the person I was speaking to, which is why I spoke the way I did. idk what they call the Korean war over in Britain, to be honest. Good for you that you learned those things, though? :3

all righty, then — I do believe we've covered what this topic set out to cover. no, the American Revolutionary War isn't covered in detail in British schools (and on a slight tangent, Retro reports that supposedly Spanish schools don't teach about Mexicans gaining their independence either; take that as you will :3). now, go on out and enjoy the rest of your 4th if you celebrate it, guys — there's plenty of fireworks out there to be seen :3

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