Silly thread. Lots of things should end once and for all. War, sexism, racism, etc. etc. But they won't. They're part of the human condition. Harassment is one of those things.
I can't even say the parents should have been more involved. He was 19. He should be able to deal with this kind of thing himself.
@ReindeerDasher If you looked at the post before that, you'd know that I clearly don't advocate for any sort of attempts to stop internet bullying. I was simply telling you that internet bullying DOES have effects and they shouldn't be disregarded. It's like when people tell victims of abuse to "just walk away", it's not always that easy.
I guess I misinterpreted part of your message. Sorry for that.
Also, @Vincent294 - Finding it really hard to take anything of what you just said because of a few things. To begin, legally punishing someone for online bullying? Well, I suggest you take a look at this. This document does only cover the US, but you should get my point. Besides what's already in place (besides maybe a few more laws and stuff — the Internet is somewhat regulated by the government, you know) I am against the government taking any more control of the Internet than it already has (think: SOPA), but I won't go into the details here, as I've digressed enough already.
Next, I'd like to restate what I and @Ralizah said. The kid was old enough to know better. Even with your "emotionally unstable" argument, the kid should've by this point identified that he was emotionally unstable and done something differently (like not go onto forums, etc).
Lastly - this is really why I'm so strongly opposed to what you're saying - Yes, I've met an emotionally unstable person before. That person would, in fact, be me. Perhaps I'm not quite as emotionally unstable as many others, but there was a point in my life in which I was going through the same thing that 19 year old kid was, albeit for somewhat different reasons. Regardless of this, I stand by what I said. I stopped taking those that were hurting me emotionally seriously. I realized there were better ways to overcome my pain, and eventually I got over the whole thing. I even had a temporary leave from the Internet. You're making it sound like any emotionally unstable person can't help themselves when I am living proof that you are wrong. I dealt with it. Yes, it hurt me for quite a while, but if I can do it, so can anyone.
Silly thread. Lots of things should end once and for all. War, sexism, racism, etc. etc. But they won't. They're part of the human condition. Harassment is one of those things.
I can't even say the parents should have been more involved. He was 19. He should be able to deal with this kind of thing himself.
Honestly, I believe that victims need to "grow a backbone" for a lack of a better term. Kids need to be taught how to deal with bullies and critics. If they respond appropriately, then bullying will become less of a problem.
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Silly thread. Lots of things should end once and for all. War, sexism, racism, etc. etc. But they won't. They're part of the human condition. Harassment is one of those things.
I can't even say the parents should have been more involved. He was 19. He should be able to deal with this kind of thing himself.
Honestly, I believe that victims need to "grow a backbone" for a lack of a better term. Kids need to be taught how to deal with bullies and critics. If they respond appropriately, then bullying will become less of a problem.
A thick skin is hard to break, not impenetrable. When it comes to the level of abuse for someone to take their own life, we're probably talking about more than most of us have been through. Yes, sometimes people overreact to what they see, but you cant really gauge what level of abuse certain people have to take, and dismissing what they go through as just needing to "grow a backbone" only pushes them further away.
It's an awful lot easier to ignore a troll or bully online that in real life though. Cause a good site moderator or admin is able to block someone who keeps being a irritatable nuisance, you can add them to your ignore list and its very easy to use sites that aren't giant troll or douchebag magnets.
And yes, there is definitely an element of needing to have more of a backbone. Is it unpopular to say that? Maybe, but people nowadays get way too easily offended about the most pointless stuff possible. Yes, there's a difference between criticism, or an argument and trolling. And another difference between all those three and bullying. Unfortunately, the egos of todays kids are so fragile they shatter upon even the slightest thought that they're not perfect and beloved by everyone in a world who agrees with them 100%.
It's an awful lot easier to ignore a troll or bully online that in real life though. Cause a good site moderator or admin is able to block someone who keeps being a irritatable nuisance, you can add them to your ignore list and its very easy to use sites that aren't giant troll or douchebag magnets.
And yes, there is definitely an element of needing to have more of a backbone. Is it unpopular to say that? Maybe, but people nowadays get way too easily offended about the most pointless stuff possible. Yes, there's a difference between criticism, or an argument and trolling. And another difference between all those three and bullying. Unfortunately, the egos of todays Adults are so fragile they shatter upon even the slightest thought that they're not perfect and beloved by everyone in a world who agrees with them 100%.
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From my experience on and off line, they're the ones that have the worse egos.
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It's an awful lot easier to ignore a troll or bully online that in real life though. Cause a good site moderator or admin is able to block someone who keeps being a irritatable nuisance, you can add them to your ignore list and its very easy to use sites that aren't giant troll or douchebag magnets.
And yes, there is definitely an element of needing to have more of a backbone. Is it unpopular to say that? Maybe, but people nowadays get way too easily offended about the most pointless stuff possible. Yes, there's a difference between criticism, or an argument and trolling. And another difference between all those three and bullying. Unfortunately, the egos of todays Adults are so fragile they shatter upon even the slightest thought that they're not perfect and beloved by everyone in a world who agrees with them 100%.
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From my experience on and off line, they're the ones that have the worse egos.
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Silly thread. Lots of things should end once and for all. War, sexism, racism, etc. etc. But they won't. They're part of the human condition. Harassment is one of those things.
I can't even say the parents should have been more involved. He was 19. He should be able to deal with this kind of thing himself.
Generally, if you want to stay safe and happy, online and offline, there are people and places to avoid, things that shouldn't be talked about, actions that shouldn't be taken. The trick is to learn when and where it is appropriate to express your inner true personality and desires, and when its best to feign "normality". Don't keep sticking your hand in the fire after being burned the first time. Youtube comments is a place to expect harsh criticism. It shouldn't be, but it is. There's a reason why you can disable commenting on your own videos.
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Also, @Vincent294 - Finding it really hard to take anything of what you just said because of a few things. To begin, legally punishing someone for online bullying? Well, I suggest you take a look at this. This document does only cover the US, but you should get my point. Besides what's already in place (besides maybe a few more laws and stuff — the Internet is somewhat regulated by the government, you know) I am against the government taking any more control of the Internet than it already has (think: SOPA), but I won't go into the details here, as I've digressed enough already.
Next, I'd like to restate what I and @Ralizah said. The kid was old enough to know better. Even with your "emotionally unstable" argument, the kid should've by this point identified that he was emotionally unstable and done something differently (like not go onto forums, etc).
Lastly - this is really why I'm so strongly opposed to what you're saying - Yes, I've met an emotionally unstable person before. That person would, in fact, be me. Perhaps I'm not quite as emotionally unstable as many others, but there was a point in my life in which I was going through the same thing that 19 year old kid was, albeit for somewhat different reasons. Regardless of this, I stand by what I said. I stopped taking those that were hurting me emotionally seriously. I realized there were better ways to overcome my pain, and eventually I got over the whole thing. I even had a temporary leave from the Internet. You're making it sound like any emotionally unstable person can't help themselves when I am living proof that you are wrong. I dealt with it. Yes, it hurt me for quite a while, but if I can do it, so can anyone.
It sounded like you were saying their abuse was somehow their fault in your post. It made you come off like a jerk when I read it. I wholeheartedly agree with you on what abuse victims should do in those kinds of situations, they are not helpless and should brush vitriol off and stay strong, there's a fine line between advise and victim blaming and you sounded as if you leaned towards the latter. With laws we shouldn't write them with crappy government officials in mind, assuming it's clear on what's punishable there shouldn't be any problems, I'd say it's the government that's the issue. SOPA had little clarity on what's punishable and was over something petty like piracy; I'm not familiar with cyberbullying laws so I don't know what is and isn't in place and if they should be changed, I thought you were arguing against them. I've seen too many people make ignorant comments playing strawman and saying the 1st amendent should protect even severe abuse, I cynically assumed you were one of those people, and for that I apologize. Thanks for clearing that up and staying cool. I guess with touchy subjects people can be cynical of each other and misinterpret things. Sorry about that. Hopefully this thread dies off now.
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