I hope the guy loves JRPGS and making Nintendo prosper in areas they are lacking.
Nintendo has so many RPG franchises it's not even funny.
Including the most successful one of all time (by a ridiculously huge margin).
I was strictly only referring to JRPGS on consoles... My bad. I've always been a guy who wanted more JRPGS on Nintendo consoles. And I hope the new president is determined to not let Sony pretty much dominate almost every JRPG series anymore on console.
I think that's mostly on Yamauchi. He didn't like RPGs very much at all.
And when you think about it from a cost vs. revenue sort of way, it kind of makes sense especially in the 3D era. RPGs are among the most complex genres out there, and truth be told, they don't make that much relative to action games. Narrow that down to JRPGs and Square-Enix is pretty much the only company out there whose biggest franchise is a JRPG. So to a business many, why not reach that market on a handheld where costs are controlled.
But that kind of ignores the publicity and hype big RPGs can generate, especially when done in an accessible way.
You was sort've making sense until you said Square Enix is like the only guys making money with JRPGS. Atlus and then other guys have been making money and gaining popularity with their JRPGS. Persona 5 is destined to sell like crazy. My point is that... Nintendo needs more games like Golden Sun and Advance Wars. It helps the brand immensely. There's no wonder how many guys from Sony and Microsoft are talking about how cool XCX looks than Star Fox Zero or Animal Crossing Amiibo Party or most other Nintendo 1st party games. And that's not a shot at Star Fox Zero but that game should be wayyy more than it is too.
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I really hope his experience from working at NoA will convince him to give it and NoE more power. Nintendo needs more western influence if it wants to stay relevant.
I'm very concerned about Kimishima's statement that he thought the Wii U would fail because it's "Too similar to the Wii".
On one hand, he could mean that the Wii U looks like a Wii, and it's name sounds like the Wii, and that's dead on.
On the other hand, he could mean that he thinks the Wii U failed because it's business model was too close to the Wii, and IMO, that's straight up wrong.
The Wii U did initially have a similar approach to the Wii, but it failed at that because the design really didn't successfully work towards that approach. The Wii Remote was simple to use with intuitive gestures replacing buttons, and that was clear from the beginning. The Wii U has a much more complex controller, taking all the buttons of a traditional controller and adding a screen that doesn't replace buttons, but supplements them. The Wii Remote was designed with new gameplay ideas in mind. The Wii U Gamepad was designed as a convenience feature, and gameplay ideas were an afterthought. The Wii Remote was the same cost as a regular controller, allowing Nintendo to keep cost low and margins high by making a low power system. The Wii U Gamepad was a third to a half of the cost of the machine, forcing Nintendo to make a low power system despite selling it at a loss.
But if Nintendo had made a very different machine with the same business model as the Wii, it would have been very different. If they made another affordable system with a revolutionary and intuitive control interface that reached out to everybody, it would have been a success.
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I hope the guy loves JRPGS and making Nintendo prosper in areas they are lacking.
Nintendo has so many RPG franchises it's not even funny.
Including the most successful one of all time (by a ridiculously huge margin).
I was strictly only referring to JRPGS on consoles... My bad. I've always been a guy who wanted more JRPGS on Nintendo consoles. And I hope the new president is determined to not let Sony pretty much dominate almost every JRPG series anymore on console.
I think that's mostly on Yamauchi. He didn't like RPGs very much at all.
And when you think about it from a cost vs. revenue sort of way, it kind of makes sense especially in the 3D era. RPGs are among the most complex genres out there, and truth be told, they don't make that much relative to action games. Narrow that down to JRPGs and Square-Enix is pretty much the only company out there whose biggest franchise is a JRPG. So to a business many, why not reach that market on a handheld where costs are controlled.
But that kind of ignores the publicity and hype big RPGs can generate, especially when done in an accessible way.
You was sort've making sense until you said Square Enix is like the only guys making money with JRPGS. Atlus and then other guys have been making money and gaining popularity with their JRPGS. Persona 5 is destined to sell like crazy. My point is that... Nintendo needs more games like Golden Sun and Advance Wars. It helps the brand immensely. There's no wonder how many guys from Sony and Microsoft are talking about how cool XCX looks than Star Fox Zero or Animal Crossing Amiibo Party or most other Nintendo 1st party games. And that's not a shot at Star Fox Zero but that game should be wayyy more than it is too.
I said they are the only ones whose biggest franchise is a JRPG, and I was more talking about he publishers. Tons of others make money from it, but my point is that if you were a businessman for those companies, you may look and decide to dedicate far fewer resources to the JRPG that sells 1M, and far more to the FPS that sells 6M. Think about the really franchises of every company but Square Enix, and you aren't going to see JRPGs. Namco has Tekken, Pac-man, and Dark Souls. Capcom* has Street Fighter and Resident Evil. Sega has (had) Sonic. Konami has (had) Metal Gear and Castlvania. And Western companies aren't really making JRPGs.
*Monster Hunter is kind of questionable as to whether it's a JRPG
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But if Nintendo had made a very different machine with the same business model as the Wii, it would have been very different. If they made another affordable system with a revolutionary and intuitive control interface that reached out to everybody, it would have been a success.
No it wouldn't. The casuals that made the Wii successful have moved on and it's clear by the success of the Xbone and PS4 that gamers don't want new ways to play.
@Blast neither have been released outside of Japan so for us westerners there are still no RPG's on the Wii U outside of Virtual Console and eShop titles... @OlicityBlows ~ @ikhan and @Caviarmeths believe that Nintendo have far too many RPG's. It wasn't sarcasm they actually believe that based on what they've said in other threads. Which I absolutely disagree with them, Nintendo home consoles have been pretty barren of RPG's since the SNES era, sure there have been a few good ones, but compared to the playstation consoles there aren't very many at all.
The new president looks more serious than Iwata. Hopefully, he'll make better plans for Nintendo than Iwata ever did.
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OlicityBlows ~ ikhan and Caviarmeths believe that Nintendo have far too many RPG's. It wasn't sarcasm they actually believe that based on what they've said in other threads. Which I absolutely disagree with them, Nintendo has been pretty barren of RPG's since the SNES era, sure there have been a few good ones, but compared to the playstation consoles there aren't very many at all.
Hi. Don't misrepresent my opinions to try and prop yours up. It's dishonest and skeevy. If you meant "Nintendo doesn't have many JRPGs on their home consoles" you should have just said that instead of lying. The DS and 3DS are RPG factories.
Now here's what it looks like when I intentionally misrepresent your opinions:
I know handhelds "don't count" for super hardcore western gamers, just like anything not developed by EAD "doesn't count" as Nintendo 1st party, but there is a good selection of RPGs on Nintendo's current platform.
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@NightmareEater: I liked Iwata, but I feel that he was a bit out of touch with what gamers really want out of a console. Don't get me wrong I love my Wii U and 2DS, but I'm getting tired of the gimmicks that Nintendo insists on implementing on their game controllers.
@CaviarMeths: Ack I didn't see that other post you made...I'm sooooooooo sorry dude, I'm an idiot and I apologize.
As for what I think, I don't need to prop it up to make it a valid point. There are 0 retail JRPG's on the Wii U in the west after nearly three years...sigh.
Also what I said about the 3DS is also true. There are a couple dozen RPG's, but there are very few first party or even second party RPG's on the system...The DS on the other hand was absolutely incredible in-terms of the amount of JRPG's it possessed including first party titles.
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The Wii's base was pretty widespread: Slide 5: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/090508/05.html
Casual games are still selling. Even when it's the same game over and over again: http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Just+Dance
Your statement about the PS4 and XB1's success indicating that people don't want new ways to play is absolutely ridiculous. Just because one thing is successful doesn't mean that another variant can't be. What the PS4 and XB1's success indicate is that many people don't absolutely require new ways to play in their consoles. Now, it's true that the Wii U didn't sell well, but again that's not because it was a new way to play. It's because it botched the approach. Aliens: Colonial Marines didn't sell badly because people didn't want a game based on the Aliens franchise. It sold badly because it botched the attempt and no one wanted to buy it.
@Neko_Rukiafan I never said there are "far too many" RPGs. I said they have so many RPG franchises it's not even funny. And they do, and I like that (RPGs are my 2nd favorite genre). Even if you only include series that have more than one entry, you still have:
Mario + Luigi
Paper Mario
Fire Emblem
Wars
Pokemon Main Series
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon
Earthbound
Golden Sun
Xenoblade
Now, half of those aren't active, and only Xenoblade has appeared on consoles in recent years. But it doesn't change the fact that Nintendo has plenty of RPG franchises.
But if Nintendo had made a very different machine with the same business model as the Wii, it would have been very different. If they made another affordable system with a revolutionary and intuitive control interface that reached out to everybody, it would have been a success.
No it wouldn't. The casuals that made the Wii successful have moved on and it's clear by the success of the Xbone and PS4 that gamers don't want new ways to play.
CaviarMeths: Ack I didn't see that other post you made...I'm sooooooooo sorry dude, I'm an idiot and I apologize.
No worries. I apologize too for my hostile tone.
As for what I think, I don't need to prop it up to make it a valid point. There are 0 retail JRPG's on the Wii U in the west after nearly three years...sigh.
Also what I said about the 3DS is also true. There are a couple dozen RPG's, but there are very few first party or even second party RPG's on the system...The DS on the other hand was absolutely incredible in-terms of the amount of JRPG's it possessed including first party titles.
Wii U is definitely a problem, but I disagree about the 3DS. They may not be 1st party, but they don't really need to be. There is an audience for JRPGs on the 3DS, Nintendo knows it, and seem to have been aggressively targeting those 3rd party games. Even if Nintendo didn't make them themselves, they participated in the publishing of the Bravely series, fostered what seems like a fantastic relationship with Atlus, and leave the door wide open for Marvelous to come in and make themselves at home.
Square Enix and Nintendo are the only two companies right now that seem to have any interest at all in making AAA console JRPGs though. Nintendo had one out this year. Square Enix has two out next year. Beyond that is a question mark. Maybe KH3 and FF7:R will make it out by then, maybe not. Maybe the NX will be out and be considered by Square as a viable platform for JRPGs. Horii already let it slip that NX is being considered for DQ11.
What would be nice to see would be Nintendo targeting the few "middleware" JRPGs that are still being made. Persona, Nier, Tales, whatever Project Setsuna is, those are games that would be nice to see on Nintendo hardware. They're never gonna be huge mega sellers, but you put enough on them on one system, that system gets a reputation for accommodating JRPG fans. I agree with you there.
Budget RPGs that appear often on PS3/PSV/PS4 like those made by NIS, Compile Heart, or Gust, I mean, those don't really seem like attractive properties to target for Nintendo. They wouldn't refuse them of course, but for a niche genre of games that probably never exceed 100k sales outside of Japan, what's the point in reaching out? The only thing they could do is make hardware that is more attractive for porting.
If there was one smaller JRPG house that I would like to see Nintendo go and start a relationship with, it would be Falcom.
Off-topic thought: What if (huge if, 0.001% chance of happening, just some fun musing) the NX was compatible with Steam OS?
.... I really hope this new President for Nintendo saw all this amazing JRPG support just get announced for Sony at TGS. Just wow. Ouch!!! Please fix this for the NX, President K!!!!
@CaviarMeths: Ack I didn't see that other post you made...I'm sooooooooo sorry dude, I'm an idiot and I apologize.
As for what I think, I don't need to prop it up to make it a valid point. There are 0 retail JRPG's on the Wii U in the west after nearly three years...sigh.
Also what I said about the 3DS is also true. There are a couple dozen RPG's, but there are very few first party or even second party RPG's on the system...The DS on the other hand was absolutely incredible in-terms of the amount of JRPG's it possessed including first party titles.
It's really bittersweet how platformer games have dominated Wii U. Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze was literally the only platformer Wii U needed.
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I really think this man is going to be good for Nintendo. I also predicted Wii U's failure on several forums. I don't really care about WIi's huge profit as they don't pay me a thing, but I want Nintendo to go back to quality consoles and games. The truth is that Wii was lacking technical capabilities and refined software (except for a few Nintendo-paid and Capcom games) and many times I looked Iwata more concerned about those earnings than about the players and long-time fans (like myself). He tried to extend that Wii success to the next console and I said that wouldn't happen.
If Nintendo goes back to its former philosophy, probably they will not be number 1 at sales but they can easily be number 1 at quality - again. And, anyway, they are not number 1 with the Wii U in any sense.
@UGXwolf: I know, but there are a lot that claim that eventually, Nintendo will move to mobile forgetting their days in the consoles and that is something that bugs me a lot.
UGXwolf: I know, but there are a lot that claim that eventually, Nintendo will move to mobile forgetting their days in the consoles and that is something that bugs me a lot.
It must be exhausting being you. How do you get anything done when you're always worried that the sky is falling?
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@Neko_Rukiafan Can you stop jumping to conclusions? I am only against RPGs if they make my favorite franchises look like a joke and/or enable the objectification of women; I openly welcome all others. I know the Wii U has next to no RPGs but your original post said the 3DS didn't have many which is far from the truth.
@iKhan No, the Wii U didn't fail just because it was something different as it has had many other issues, but if you think the twins would have been as successful if they had some newfangled controls, you have much more faith in humanity than I do. @kkslider5552000 brought up VR but I see that doing nothing more than satisfying a niche market and I think if the PS4 was only playable using Project Morpheus, it would have bombed.
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