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Tasuki wrote:

I can't believe how mad people are at Konami let's look at the facts.

Konami first and for most is a business and business are created to make money. They go with trends that make the most money if you look at Konami' history this is evident. Konami was originally a jukebox rental and repair company. Then the got into the arcade business when Arcade games were the trend then home console games, then PCs and no mobile. They aren't gamers nor do they care about gaming they care about what will bring in the most money.

I don't know if mad is the right word. Baffled, maybe? A company of Konami's size and capital shouldn't be gunning for such a low bar. It's a weird way to make money for a company that big. The financial reports for FY2015 are all out now. Capcom, Square Enix, and Koei Tecmo were all more profitable than Konami last year, and all three of them have significantly fewer employees. There's nothing wrong with mobile or even slot machines, but focusing on those as your main market is weird for a company with such a rich portfolio of video game IP. Obviously, that's not where the big money is if smaller companies are all making more money than you.

If there is any anger, it's at Konami's management in recent years and poor handling of brands. So many of their IPs were simply dropped or farmed out to cheaper, inexperienced foreign studios.

Konami is a big company behaving like a small company. I guess that sort of backs up the claim in the Super Bunnyhop video that a lot of people at Konami are about to lose their jobs.

Tasuki wrote:

You call mobile gaming a train wreck but to be honest it's one of the most profitable businesses right now.

It's also one of the most saturated and volatile. For every King and Supercell, there's 1,000 others you've never heard of because they failed on their first game. That's why it's silly for a big company to put all of their eggs in that basket. What Square Enix and Capcom are doing seems more long term orientated, balancing retail and mobile.

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CaviarMeths wrote:

Tasuki wrote:

I can't believe how mad people are at Konami let's look at the facts.

Konami first and for most is a business and business are created to make money. They go with trends that make the most money if you look at Konami' history this is evident. Konami was originally a jukebox rental and repair company. Then the got into the arcade business when Arcade games were the trend then home console games, then PCs and no mobile. They aren't gamers nor do they care about gaming they care about what will bring in the most money.

I don't know if mad is the right word. Baffled, maybe? A company of Konami's size and capital shouldn't be gunning for such a low bar. It's a weird way to make money for a company that big. The financial reports for FY2015 are all out now. Capcom, Square Enix, and Koei Tecmo were all more profitable than Konami last year, and all three of them have significantly fewer employees. There's nothing wrong with mobile or even slot machines, but focusing on those as your main market is weird for a company with such a rich portfolio of video game IP. Obviously, that's not where the big money is if smaller companies are all making more money than you.

If there is any anger, it's at Konami's management in recent years and poor handling of brands. So many of their IPs were simply dropped or farmed out to cheaper, inexperienced foreign studios.

Konami is a big company behaving like a small company. I guess that sort of backs up the claim in the Super Bunnyhop video that a lot of people at Konami are about to lose their jobs.

Tasuki wrote:

You call mobile gaming a train wreck but to be honest it's one of the most profitable businesses right now.

It's also one of the most saturated and volatile. For every King and Supercell, there's 1,000 others you've never heard of because they failed on their first game. That's why it's silly for a big company to put all of their eggs in that basket. What Square Enix and Capcom are doing seems more long term orientated, balancing retail and mobile.

Exactly. I don't see why Konami can't balance retail and mobile games. Release Silent Hills on console, release whatever on mobile, then release Contra 3DS that they teased back in 2011 etc. But no, they had to outright cancel Silent Hills and not make a peep about Contra 3DS after all this time..

Yes, mobile is profitable but so is releasing games for dedicated gaming platforms.

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Socar

Tasuki wrote:

Artwark wrote:

Tasuki wrote:

I can't believe how mad people are at Konami let's look at the facts.

Konami first and for most is a business and business are created to make money. They go with trends that make the most money if you look at Konami' history this is evident. Konami was originally a jukebox rental and repair company. Then the got into the arcade business when Arcade games were the trend then home console games, then PCs and no mobile. They aren't gamers nor do they care about gaming they care about what will bring in the most money.

Is this wrong of them? Not really. Is it stupid? Nope. Will this be the end of Konami? Probably not.

Mobile gaming is huge in Japan more so then here in NA or Europe due to their lifestyles so for them it's a smart business move.

As for things like Metal Gear, Castlevania etc. The people behind those series, Kojima, Iga knew this and that's why they did what they did. These series my be called something else but we know what they really are.

So people just need to quit over reacting over this news and just remember Konami is a business first and foremost.

Then if they were just fine with being a repair store, why didn't they just stick to that? Even better, why even make games when they can just leave the game industry then and focus on something else?

As long as they exist in the industry, they are hurting the industry by saying that they will make games for mobile which is bad for the industry because it would just be a trainwreck in the end with Google and Apple in an endless battle.

I'm glad Konami is leaving the console market because this would be a perfect example to how not to hurt the fanbase more than it should.

Honestly do you believe the stuff you type? Are you really that dense?

The didn't stay a repair company cause they evolved with the times. Do you see jukeboxes around alot anymore? They are a business they go where the money is. You call mobile gaming a train wreck but to be honest it's one of the most profitable businesses right now.

Instead of games, why not evolve in the repair department like repairing watches? Or how about repairing TV's as well? Why switch over to gaming? Atleast in the case of Nintendo, it makes a lot of sense since Hanafuda cards and Video games are a source of entertainment and as the entertainment evolved, they wanted to follow the electronic games because Hiroshi Yamauchi felt that Card games were losing sales. Granted, Nintendo tried doing other things before gaming but they all failed miserably.

Even now, Nintendo still makes Hanafuda card games through means of both digital and physical. Only thing is, its not localized here but only in Japan. If mobile isn't a trainwreck, then explain this.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/03/capcom_cuts_profit_p...

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Tasuki

@Artwark: Have you read my post at all?

The reason they got into gaming is cause that was where the money is (was). They got into the game business when arcades were the big money makers then home consoles and now mobile. Business moves don't have to make sense they just have to be profitable alot of places have done what Konami did.

Foot Locker was original Woolworth's a chain of 5 and dime stores that got into the shoe business.
BMW was originally an airplane manufacturer and now they make cars

I am sure there are alot more examples but I can't think of any right now.

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Tasuki wrote:

@Artwark: Have you read my post at all?

The reason they got into gaming is cause that was where the money is (was). They got into the game business when arcades were the big money makers then home consoles and now mobile. Business moves don't have to make sense they just have to be profitable alot of places have done what Konami did.

Foot Locker was original Woolworth's a chain of 5 and dime stores that got into the shoe business.
BMW was originally an airplane manufacturer and now they make cars

I am sure there are alot more examples but I can't think of any right now.

Whatever. You won't see people like me supporting them anymore. Even HappyConsoleGamer isn't supporting them anymore.

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I can already see it now. The Contra, Gradius, Metal Gear, Silent Hill, and Suikoden franchises successfully receive genuinely good spiritual succesors through Kickstarter because thousands of fans want to see those type of games on consoles, such as Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night, Mighty No. 9 and Yooka-Laylee.

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Tasuki

Artwark wrote:

Tasuki wrote:

@Artwark: Have you read my post at all?

The reason they got into gaming is cause that was where the money is (was). They got into the game business when arcades were the big money makers then home consoles and now mobile. Business moves don't have to make sense they just have to be profitable alot of places have done what Konami did.

Foot Locker was original Woolworth's a chain of 5 and dime stores that got into the shoe business.
BMW was originally an airplane manufacturer and now they make cars

I am sure there are alot more examples but I can't think of any right now.

Whatever. You won't see people like me supporting them anymore. Even HappyConsoleGamer isn't supporting them anymore.

I actually enjoy happy console gamer alot and agree with him most of the time but I said the same thing when I watched that as I said now.

To sum it up

Business decision Good
Gaming decision Bad

But they are not out to make good games they are out to make money good games are a side effect. The sooner people learn that the sooner this whole Konami bashing thing will seem stupid.

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CanisWolfred

Except we're gamers. We don't profit from a company making money off of bad games. We're free to criticize them. It's our right, our duty even. If no one says anything, no one can do anything to change it. The most we can do is criticize the company and warn potentially uninformed consumers away from the negative products they are most likely to put out. Either way, something good can come out of criticism. Nothing good can come from silence.

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@Tasuki I don't think anyone's really mad for Konami leaving the game console market, I mean.. There wasn't much left of them to begin with. However entering the mobile market isn't the best idea either, it's sounds more like a last resort than anything else. It's an extremely profitable market, that's true, but very unstable and unpredictable. Konami as a company won't cease to exist, they'll find some way to survive in the end.

Retro_on_theGo wrote:

Oh my god I just remember Konami bought them out.

OH NO! Those poor Hudson Soft IP's! ;___; What was the point if you're not going to do anything with them!? At least Bomberman would be fitting on phones and has the most likely chance of continuing. But knowing Konami the dream really is dead. RIP Bomberman.

Bomberman used to be one of my favourite franchises back in the day. It's always sad to see a good franchise to extinct...

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Retro_on_theGo wrote:

Oh my god I just remember Konami bought them out.

OH NO! Those poor Hudson Soft IP's! ;___; What was the point if you're not going to do anything with them!? At least Bomberman would be fitting on phones and has the most likely chance of continuing. But knowing Konami the dream really is dead. RIP Bomberman.

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Electricmastro wrote:

Retro_on_theGo wrote:

Oh my god I just remember Konami bought them out.

OH NO! Those poor Hudson Soft IP's! ;___; What was the point if you're not going to do anything with them!? At least Bomberman would be fitting on phones and has the most likely chance of continuing. But knowing Konami the dream really is dead. RIP Bomberman.

Get ready, because you'll be able to play Adventure Island: The Continuation on the go!

And you'll be able to pay for more fruit, just $0.99 each! Weee...

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Retro_on_theGo wrote:

Oh my god I just remember Konami bought them out.

OH NO! Those poor Hudson Soft IP's! ;___; What was the point if you're not going to do anything with them!? At least Bomberman would be fitting on phones and has the most likely chance of continuing. But knowing Konami the dream really is dead. RIP Bomberman.

I didn't really play much Bomberman (just a dsi-ware game and some of the N64 one), but still, I can see why people would miss him. Also, I think it's a safe bet that his chances of getting into Smash Bros. are pretty much dead at this point...well that sucks.

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@Tasuki Good games make more profit than bad games because people will acknowledge them as games that are worth money to spend on. Sales of Sonic Boom are worse than Lost World because Boom sold around 490,000 units with both games combined rather than them being separate which is nowhere as good as Lost World which for the Wii U alone sold 710,000 units which even though its still bad, is beyond good in terms of sales comparison between Boom and Lost World. Boom had a lot of Marketing focused. It had media such as comics, shows, etc and yet it failed to reach expectations.

Making a good playable game is better than making a bad game and the problem that Mobile games have is that these games for the majority of the times are nowhere as original as they were in the Arcades. For every Arcade built, there's a lot of difference in each game in the Arcades while keeping the same goal in mind which is to get the highscore. In Mobile, not only is getting the highscore pointless because of how the games easily revive you with the cost of real money, its also nowhere different than the other games. Tell me one big difference between Temple Run and Pitfall!. There really isn't much difference between them and as a result, it leaves the player no motivation to get any game on the phones unless it happens to be a kid who would have no idea what a game is in today's standards and just play whatever parents introduce them into further spoiling the industry.

The point is having the IP which is better off on the Console than on a phone is better because they actually feel like "Games". I can see maybe Goemon being there and maybe Bomberman (a bad idea btw) but Castlevania, Contra or even Life Force? I don't think so.

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Making a good playable game is better than making a bad game and the problem that Mobile games have is that these games for the majority of the times are nowhere as original as they were in the Arcades. For every Arcade built, there's a lot of difference in each game in the Arcades while keeping the same goal in mind which is to get the highscore. In Mobile, not only is getting the highscore pointless because of how the games easily revive you with the cost of real money, its also nowhere different than the other games. Tell me one big difference between Temple Run and Pitfall!. There really isn't much difference between them and as a result, it leaves the player no motivation to get any game on the phones unless it happens to be a kid who would have no idea what a game is in today's standards and just play whatever parents introduce them into further spoiling the industry.

There were a lot of games in the arcades that were similar. Even identical if you looked hard enough. You're forgetting that technology was very limited in the 1980's and early 1990's and with that, each genre not only shared identical color pallets, but played slightly different from one to another (in said genre).

With today's technology and the mobile market, sure, at glance you would think most of the content on these marketplaces are shovelware, but it's honestly just a bigger version on an arcade center. With stronger, more accessible technology. More affordable and easier to develop for, and cheaper to play.

The point is having the IP which is better off on the Console than on a phone is better because they actually feel like "Games". I can see maybe Goemon being there and maybe Bomberman (a bad idea btw) but Castlevania, Contra or even Life Force? I don't think so.

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