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Koji Kondo for many years now has composed some of the greatest soundtrack's ever in this world,and I want to ask you whats your favorite VG soundtrack's that Koji Kondo composed? Mine is Zelda Majora's Mask.Nothing has come close to topping it.

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Super Mario Galaxy's soundtrack is incredible. I would have to pause the game just to listen to the music. It would bring a smile to my face every time I started a new level.

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For anybody who didn't know that Koji Kondo made an Orchestrated soundtrack for Majora's Mask then here. Take your ears to heaven. :)

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Midna's song, not the depressing one but, the one when link first meets her!

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@VGP: Wow that is just beautiful.

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@JTCPingas09:Yeah its the best song on the soundtrack in my opinion. :)

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grenworthshero

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Koji Kondo is my idol. I own every soundtrack by him except the very early NES ones. Golf, Soccer, Hockey, Devil World, Shin Onigashima, Nazo no Murasamejo. I need to work on these ones.

Twilight Princess is actually just a little more Toru Minegeshi than it is Koji Kondo, but some of the themes I can tell are Koji's, like Midna's Theme.

Super Mario Galaxy is almost entirely Mahito Yokota, and really I didn't think that soundtrack was all that great. I think most people just thought it was amazing because it was actually orchestrated for the most part. The only tracks I really like are the ones Koji composed (which are pretty much all of the main themes). Egg Planet, Wind Garden, Rosetta's Comet Observatory, the End Theme...and of course the fully orchestrated versions of pieces from previous games.

My favorite is hard to decide because I love all of Koji's stuff. He is my favorite composer, and pretty much all I listen to. My favorite album is Ocarina of Time: Hyrule Symphony. A Link to the Past, or The Windwaker are probably his best-composed full scores. Farewell Hyrule King is AMAZING. I learned to play that two years ago, and it's one of the best pieces I've ever heard. I am a music major, so I study music all the time, and I know Koji Kondo deserves his place among the greats.

You would be hard-pressed to find a bigger Koji Kondo fan than I.

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I play Farewell Hyrule King on my piano almost daily.I study music all the time as well.Hmm Looks like I have some competition with you grenworthshero. :)

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Yes, it's nice to see someone else who appreciates Koji's work. Even my fellow musicians at school look down on video game music. have you checked out zreomusic.com? I used to get most of the video game soundtracks you can't actually buy (such as those from NES) from sound-test.org, but it's been "under maintainence" for a year now, so I have trouble finding those soundtracks I mentioned. The only reason I got a subscription to Nintendo Power a few years ago was so that I could get the free gift of the TP OST promo CD.

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Super Mario Galaxies soundtrack was awesome.

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Another one of his best, with lyrics!

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@Grenworthshero

Actually the Gusty Garden Galaxy and End themes are Yokata's compositions and the former being the defining peice in the game, imo. To say that the Mario Galaxy soundtrack isn't that great just because it's not entirely Koji Kondo is not only an obsurd statement but also ignorant. Koji Kondo could very well be the best video game composer in the business, no question, but there are plenty of other superb musicians out there, especially within Nintendo. Back to the Super Mario Galaxy soundtrack in particular, though, I found the non Kondo themes to be beautifully written and the variety of the different tracks unargueably made for one of the finest game scores ever made and my personal favorite tied with the Symphony of the Night OST.

I find it funny that you brought up the Wind Waker soundtrack because I had recently bought the original soundtrack 2 CD set and I actually thought the majority of the tracks weren't that great to listen to on thier own. I feel this way about Zelda soundtracks in general, though, because while the scores do a fantastic job of setting the mood while you're playing the game they don't really work for just listening to, save for a few select tracks, one of which you mentioned. It's funny because the only Zelda that I feel had a score that stands up on it's own doesn't have a full OST CD release and that's Twilight Princess which as you've already stated wasn't entirely Kondo either.

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So many beautiful songs to choose from, but I have to be unoriginal and choose that lil tune that plays in the observatory in Termina (the song that's remastered in post #3). The moment I enter it washes over me, I turn up the volume knowing that when I look through the telescope, it will get even louder. Dreamy.

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Actually the Gusty Garden Galaxy and End themes are Yokata's compositions and the former being the defining peice in the game, imo. To say that the Mario Galaxy soundtrack isn't that great just because it's not entirely Koji Kondo is not only an obsurd statement but also ignorant. Koji Kondo could very well be the best video game composer in the business, no question, but there are plenty of other superb musicians out there, especially within Nintendo. Back to the Super Mario Galaxy soundtrack in particular, though, I found the non Kondo themes to be beautifully written and the variety of the different tracks unargueably made for one of the finest game scores ever made and my personal favorite tied with the Symphony of the Night OST.

I find it funny that you brought up the Wind Waker soundtrack because I had recently bought the original soundtrack 2 CD set and I actually thought the majority of the tracks weren't that great to listen to on thier own. I feel this way about Zelda soundtracks in general, though, because while the scores do a fantastic job of setting the mood while you're playing the game they don't really work for just listening to, save for a few select tracks, one of which you mentioned. It's funny because the only Zelda that I feel had a score that stands up on it's own doesn't have a full OST CD release and that's Twilight Princess which as you've already stated wasn't entirely Kondo either.

First of all I never said I didn't like the [Super Mario Galaxy] soundtrack. I just don't think it's as amazing as most people do. And it's certainly not because another composer took over. I think Twilight Princess has a great soundtrack. Besides, Wind Garden is Koji Kondo, it says so on the soundtrack. Looking back, the end theme would have to be both of them, I suppose, as it uses themes written by Koji Kondo as well as Yokota. What this comes down to is obviously opinion, as you seem to like everything Koji Kondo isn't, I guess, but I'm certainly not ignorant or "intolerant" of other VGM composers. I love Kumi Tanioka, Nobuo Uematsu, Grant Kirkhope, Dave Wise, Jun Ishikawa, Toru Minegishi...I'm sure I've missed many more. Super Mario Galaxy's soundtrack is good in its own right, I just think it overshadows other, perhaps better, soundtracks because people are drawn in by the real orchestrations. It's true, there are a few pieces by Nobuo Uematsu even I didn't like at first, but when I got the piano collections it opened my eyes because it's a new arrangement on a real instrument, rather than midi.

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I love the SMB1 underwater theme. It has some of the best remixes ever.

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@Grenworthshero

Did I not say Kondo is probably the best in the industry? I love his work but I just don't consider him the end all be all of game composers because just like his film scoring counterpart, John Williams, there are just some things his style is not suited for, but he's the best at what he does well.

Also in reguards to the Super Mario Galaxy ending credits theme, I can't think of any of the Kondo melodies that were used in that piece. The main theme, gusty garden theme and gateway galaxy themes are the only ones from the game I recall them using for it. Also it might interest you to know that while another composer wrote and conducted much of the soundtrack, Kondo was the one who decided on the orchestral sound that was used because he thought it fit with space theme best, which when you think about it, was a perfect match.

I don't want you to think that I'm one of those gamers that will only claim a game soundtrack is good because it uses an orchestra, because in truth I tend NOT to like that when it doesn't fit with the game and I've seen that so many times, especially recently. Heck some of my favorite tracks from the SMG soundtrack aren't ones that use that sound, like the Beach Bowl Galaxy and Bowser's Road themes. The fact is though, I think very highly of the Super Mario Galaxy OST because it has everything a quality game score should have; it's well written, memorable, has variety in the sound and most importantly is fun to listen to. The fact that it's orchestrated is just what was neccessary to achieve the artists vision and the result was an amazing score that fit in perfectly with what was going on in the games world.

EDIT: http://vgmdb.net/album/5411

Here is a link to who composed what on the SMG soundtrack, at the bottom of the page.

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@Rapadash6
I'll try and clear this up: I have nothing against you, nor am I trying to sound like a douche; it's just hard to convey sometimes in text. I understand you have a love for Koji Kondo as well, I just meant you seem to like all the soundtracks Koji did not compose the best of the series.

On a side note, please do not compare Koji Kondo and John Williams. While they are comparable because they have the top position in their respective industries. John Williams is a musical thief. I've studied lots of his music in school, and most of his most famous themes are directly taken from classical pieces. I love his music, and Hook is one of my favorite soundtracks, but he's not as original as everyone thinks.

That being said, I have seen that track listing you showed me, as I have the soundtrack, but if you notice, some of the themes they have listed as Koji's are also reused in other tracks in a different orchestration. I don't know why, but I have, in my music library, "Wind Garden" listed as Koji Kondo. No matter. I see what you're saying, and I agree for the most part with what you're saying, even though my opinion is that Windwaker is better ;)

and as for the end theme, I could have sworn they used an iteration of "Family" but then I could be wrong, I haven't listened to it in a long time.

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As a music buff I'm sure you understand that with the world having as rich and long of a music history as it does, it's incredibly hard to create something that isn't derivative from SOMETHING that has already been done but I understand your thoughts on John Williams as a composer and even agree to a point. As you said, I only compare the two composers as they are the most renowned in their respective mediums is all.

Also, you should really pop in your copy of the SMG OST and give it another listen if it's been as long. Sometimes I find I can appriciate a soundtrack more after it's been out a long while and with a somewhat fresh ear. Just curious, what are your thoughts on the Donkey Kong Country soundtracks? Recently I've been really into the second one and I'm finding I'm discovering more to the music than I noticed way back when. The first game had a great ambient score but as hard as I try, I just can't find the same kind of charm with the 3rd games soundtrack. Just wanted to get another game music afficianados opinion.

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@ Rapadash6
That's a good question. I love both the DKC and its sequel's soundtracks, though it's kind of hard to decide which is better. They are so different. The first one, as you said, is very ambient, while the second has more of a hip hop feel to it. Specifically I'm speaking of tracks like the Disco Train and even the more ambient Stickerbrush Symphony has a distinctive beat to it. I love them both, it just takes a certain state of mind, though as a whole I think the first is better.

I did listen to the third DKC soundtrack, though I've never played it (that I can remember) but I didn't like it nearly as much. In fact I had it saved on my computer some time ago, but I didn't like it enough to continue listening to it when it kept coming up on shuffle. I just don't think it had the same magic as the first two, and this is just not because I've never played it, because I never really played the second one either.

As far as John Williams goes, he is a great composer in his own right, when he's not stealing from other sources. I'm not exaggerating when I say that he will literally take the same piece from 200 years ago and call it his own work. It's not as if he writes stuff that sounds like other composers; it is an exact transcription. Though I'm not passionate about this enough to belabor the point, so I'll stop here, because I still love "his" work.

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I'll have to agree about Majora's Mask, that game did everything right. I have the orchestrated soundtrack as well as the full soundtrack.

Second place would go to Wind Waker. I have the WW soundtrack as well.

I also love the music in the DKC series, DKC3 was actually my favorite soundtrack. (Despite not being Koji Kondo.)

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