Topic: Kayne west running for president in 2020

@CaviarMeths

I would have for sure added him had I continued to come up with more musicians who are/were more important than Kanye hahaha

I listen to hip-hop and rap as well, but have just really never been able to get into Kanye's stuff. I think he is so totally unbelievably overrated, and his Grammy awards are meaningless (as are most others).

This is honestly the most hilarious thing I've heard all week. You honestly can't make this stuff up - it's stuff like this that makes me question my existence... And why on Earth the media bothers giving him the time of day. Still, at least I got a laugh out of this. He needs to take a Kanye Rest, he's obviously not at his Kanye Best.

Still nobody has figured out that the only way to make Kanye irrelevant is to ignore him. He makes money everytime people talk about him and give him attention.

@CaviarMeths: Fantastic album.Band on the Run and Imagine are timeless classics but George certainly topped them with All Things Must Pass.So much brilliance on that album.I think I will listen to it tonight in my bed,it's been a while.

I haven't really been paying attention to the politics in the U.S, but the type of topics politicians are usually pretty hazy, either way, so it's hard to decide what is and isn't BS, anymore.

Here in the U.S.(and probably many other places), the minimum wage and health care is always a debate, and they never seem to get it right. $10/hour in the U.S. isn't even really enough for some people to live sustainable lives, on their own, and the minimum wage is like $8.75, and healthcare is all effed up. Those aren't even the main topics these politicians talk about, most of the time, so a lot of it is very much BS.

At this rate, I'd actually think Kanye West could run the U.S. as well as Obama has, because of obvious problems that haven't even been confronted. It's all pathetic, from my perspective.

The president has little power if congress and the house don't cooperate, so it really doesn't matter if Donald or Kanye get in because they'll still be at their mercy (and by extension, the corporation's mercy as well.) That's what I've learned from the last 8 years.

True, but you're going to have an even harder time finding at least 1 musician that's gone downhill so fast. Listen to songs like Family Business and Blame Game to see how good he was. Now go listen to songs like On Sight, and tell me he's still good. And back on subject, even his older material wouldn't make him any less foolish. Kanye as president sounds more like something you'd see out of The Onion than something you'd see in real life. Then again, Trump happened...

@RogueBologna: I hope it's all a publicity stunt or crazy rant.

I know our leadership is pretty pathetic, but if you think Kanye'd be even just as good as Obama is, you're being way too generous. I know he isn't all bad, but that ego is way worse than you'd ever believe. It wouldn't be like him rapping on Can't Tell Me Nothing. It'd be more like him at the VMAs.

Well, if nothing else, I bet he would care about black people.

@HollywoodHogan:

Dude, none of the musicians you mentioned is capable of producing an album the way Kanye produces his.
They're victims of a different era obviously, so a straight comparison would be unfair and yes you could make the argument that West tends to enlist an army of co-producers to help him but it is his vision that makes Yeezus sounds the way it is.

I never said that Kanye is the best, I'm saying that what he does with his music is something that is almost unparalleled in the realms of contemporary music, and even music in general, which is why I specifically used the term 'deserves to be as celebrated' as the word 'best' implies a statistical absolute that doesn't do music the justice it deserves.

I could only come up with Brian Wilson, Sufjan Stevens, Joanna Newsom, Kevin Shields and maybe Thom Yorke that deserves my utmost respect.
Should be noted however that I was born in '91 and any musical reference I have regarding anything that is released before the 90's are limited to The Smiths, The Beatles, The Beach Boys, Happy End and Joy Division.

On this bit about production genius, I'll admit I am not a fan of Kanye at all. As such I haven't really dug into his discography. However if it's production genius we're talking about here? There are plenty of names I'd personally throw out there before Kanye

When you say production genius I immediately think of Kevin Shields as others have listed. John Lennon also, obviously, just listen to some of the tracks on Revolver and remember how long ago that was. But for more contemporary artists I'd argue that Damon Albarn is up there, for sure, his "iPad album" was a bit of a joke but other than that. Thom Yorke for sure, also Trent Reznor even moreso. Even going a little bit less obvious look at Outkast and the genius of André 3000, that was some ground breaking stuff. Slightly less popular the production on the albums from Unknown Mortal Orchestra is textbook genius. Even The Beastie Boys who nobody thinks of as innovative, they were pretty innovative if you give it a closer listen.

Just restricting myself to Australian music. I think about that album from The Avalanches over a decade ago. I'd argue the best album to ever come out of Australia. A few years ago I would've mentioned Gotye although after being an Australian staple for years he exploded and crashed overnight globally with that "one hit wonder". Then even more recently and even closer to home, Kevin Parker. From Tame Impala, Pond and Melody's Echo Chamber. Need I say more? Dude's putting Perth on the music world stage which in itself is something I'm pretty happy about, the fact that he's actually pretty good is really just a bonus in my eyes.

The thing about Kanye is that his main selling point is that he's a bit of an arrogant dick. I don't know how much of that is pure show but either way that's part of the act. So of course he says he's the best of the best. I don't think that means he's anywhere near the actual best though. Of course, it's all subjective though. I'm sure some people are really into his music. And I'll be the first to admit that one of the main reasons I'm not into his stuff is because for me that whole act is a bit of a turn off.

@Vincent294:
Well, based on all of the problems the U.S. has had that still aren't fixed, like marijuana, wages. health care, etc. obvious issues, it really hasn't mattered that much to the average citizen, IMO, because a lot of the other topics they talk about haven't really directly affected U.S. citizens. I would have never even known about any supposed conflict with Cuba, unless the TV says, and it still hasn't affected me, as far as I know.
Marijuana, wages, and health care are going to directly affect people right away, so those are the main topics. Marijuana is still being an issue, because it is legal in Washington and Colorado, but the businesses still aren't accepting it as a regular thing and turn people away looking for jobs when they take the physical. I would know this, because I live in Colorado. It doesn't make sense why mj would be 'legal' in Colorado, then refuse to accept people looking for jobs that use it recreationally, and that's still besides the wages being too low. It's those little loopholes that mess things up. That's like saying people can go to the liquor store and buy some booze, but then they can't go to work if they drink. It's contradictory for obvious reasons.

EDIT: That's why I'm saying that it hasn't mattered that much who is in charge, because otherwise all of these problems would have been fixed decades ago. It's not a secret that some people lack the funds to live a decent life. A lot of people also get into debt, because they would have never had enough money to begin with. That's how messed up stuff is, sometimes.

@skywake
Honestly, all the "stars" aren't that great. Lil' Wayne just does his little laugh and talks about weed with a lot of bass. I'm not really impressed. Then, Katy Perry and Taylor Swift can't reach certain notes and whine about high school or something. Miley Cyrus is naked and doing weird s***.
That's why I don't care about audio outside of video games or movies, because that's not even the main focus anymore. I know that's not all you were talking about, but I have disliked audio media to such an extent, that I pay very little if any attention.

@SCAR:
I'd argue none of the music I listed has anything to do with that sort of image. That said it is all subjective, others definitely have accused me of having an anti-image-image when I say I'm not into something like Taylor Swift. It's inescapable. But still, I enjoy stuff like the convict imagery that a dude from Port Headland can paint. So I'd wager I'm in it for a different thing. Maybe. Again it's all pretty subjective.

As for the US political system, I think the focus should be on the electoral system the US has rather than the candidate panic of the day. And I know this is the same old thing that Australians always say about the US system but first past the post is a joke. As is the idea of letting the elected decide where the electoral boundaries are rather than an independent body. It locks in the two party system and guarantees senators keep their seats for decades. I mean we have our own issues with Senate voting, but when I mentioned Palmer on the previous page? He ended up getting 5% of the vote..... here's how the Senate seats were distributed.

In the US? Only the two major parties would have one seats. Or specifically with the votes as they fell the Coalition would have won all the seats in all of the states. Under our system? For better or worse votes for minor parties counted. We don't get the situation where some nut derails the entire campaign of one of the two major parties. Instead we get a sideshow and they get a trial run in the parliament. As of now Palmer is polling at about 1%. We also rarely get a situation where one party controls the entire senate, it's pretty much always a balance of power situation. They have to (gasp) negotiate!

@skywake
Ya, but it still doesn't have to do with who's in charge. That's why Kanye West probably could be the president. Weed would probably be legal, and maybe he'd higher the wages. That's what's mattered for years, and none of the presidents have done it, so why wouldn't Kanye be able to do that? That's literally how much it matters.

@SCAR:
The point is that in the US you can only really vote for the two major parties. You can vote for other parties but it won't count because it's a first past the post system. Winner takes all. In a preferential system and in particular proportional systems? You can vote for a minor party and that vote will count. In the end one party will still win government but the public gets to decide how and with what level of control

So if it was Australia Kanye could create his own party if he wanted to. Pour his money into it, run campaign ads. Maybe gain 5% of the vote. Enough to win something around about 5% of the seats in the parliament, potentially enough to be the deciding vote in issues the major parties can't agree on. If he's both serious about reform and the public supports his party's views? Then he'll win more of the vote and gain more power. If he's just a novelty candidate? Then in four years he'd be washed out of the system.

Effectively with the Australian system the public gets to decide a large portion of how government works. When parties split they literally split and the best half ends up winning out. In the US you get internal splits like the Tea Party that you have little to no control over. Or Libertarians which you can support but in doing so are either wasting your vote or voting for one of the two majors. In the US in the end you're given two options and you have to pick one, in Australia you can vote however you wish and your vote will count. That's the difference.

@skywake
Ya. I know other campaigns are useless. It still goes back to the media. That's why even Rosie O' Donald almost ran, I think. Donald Trump is there. We might as well send in Michael Pachter. Kanye West would probably have Snoop Dogg be his Vice President. That's just how things go, nowadays.

Some of the things we vote for even have trade offs. Trade offs are pathetic. The government has failed in plenty of ways. When the government got shut down in the U.S, I'm surprised there wasn't massive amounts of looting. That's how cripple it is.

"Electrolytes: It's What Plants Crave" should be his campaign slogan.

@SCAR: If you want to watch a video explaining the Australian system and what I'm talking about. Here ya go. Worth a watch. If I was an American I'd be pretty annoyed that the US system wasn't as fair as this

I agree AU has a better election system. It seems more open.

In the U.S, Someone like Hilary Clinton basically wins by default, because everyone has known her since Bill Clinton was president. No one wants that to change, and the only reason why see can run, is because she has enough money. That's how the issue is already further down the line, that leadership in general isn't fixing, period,

I don't even think people know what the republican party is doing or anything, so it has to do with being misinformed, as well. Socialism isn't a thing in the U.S, because people probably don't even think our system is built to support it. That's how politics are a mess, everywhere.

I wouldn't be surprised if Oprah bought the U.S. and wrote a book about it that was required by law to read. Everyone would be forced into the Oprah book club.