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Topic: Is the Pokemon world inhumane?

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Thanks4Tip

I was thinking about this as I watched the anime and folded clothes the other night. Why do the Pokemon battle, and allow themselves to be captured and stuff? Am I missing some mutualistic relationship? Do the Pokemon enjoy this life? Has this issue ever been addressed?

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Eel

The official word is that wild pokemon only appear to trainers when they want to be caught and that they actually enjoy all the time training and fighting.

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Thanks4Tip

Where did you see/hear of this? Can you link me? Lol

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Interesting. I can't seem to find much of anything on the internet regarding the topic; that's kind of what turned me away from the Pokemon games, to be honest... The fact that the story seemed inherently barbaric. But if you can find something proving the Pokemon actually enjoy battling and training, then I suppose my perception of the world would change entirely!

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Eel

Here, I found the one about the wild pokemon.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinnoh_myths

Long ago, when Sinnoh had just been
made, Pokémon and humans led
separate lives.
That is not to say they did not help
each other. No, indeed they did.
They supplied each other with goods,
and supported each other.
A Pokémon proposed to the others
to always be ready to help humans.
It asked that Pokémon be ready to
appear before humans always.
Thus, to this day, Pokémon appear
to us if we venture into tall grass.

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Thanks4Tip

I see, I see. But do you have anything that actually states that Pokemon enjoy being captured, trained, and battled?

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Eel

The entire story from White and Black begins with "capturing and using pokemon as tools is inhumane" and ends with "well what do you know, they actually enjoy it (if you're not evil)".

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Kaze_Memaryu

Before, human interaction with Pokémon was a very slow process, and gaining their trust was tedious. The Pokéball forces the Pokémon into a diffferent situation while giving it a safe residence. But this is part of a Pokémons life sometimes. Some Pokés cannot evolve without human help, or even get stronger. While still wild, these kinds of Pokémon frequently approach trainers to challenge them - as a means to show their strength. And that's important, since wild Pokés tend to fight over territory a whole lot.
A caught Pokémon lives in safety (except when they're caught by an evil organization) - it can learn new techniques, evolve into forms it couldn't ever reach without human help, and just become more versatile. As a token of gratitude, they do as the trainer says, in hopes of becoming stronger and more useful.
At some point, when the trainer dies or releases a Pokémon, this Poké is bound to become a leader, due to being much stronger than ever before. Some Pokés proceed to protect their brethren from invaders, while others stay closer to cities or simply live alone - depends on the lifestyle.

In that sense, humans are actually extremely important to the Pokémon, since many of them cannot evolve without human help. Some Pokés wouldn't even exist without mankind (inorganic ones like Magnemite, Grimer, Trubbish, or Voltorb only came to be randomly in places where that material was).

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iKhan

Morphbug wrote:

The official word is that wild pokemon only appear to trainers when they want to be caught and that they actually enjoy all the time training and fighting.

That's just the stupid justification for it all that the humans in the world make.. The Pokemon world revolves around animal fighting.

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Geonjaha

Its a kids game about catching wild animals and fighting them. Of course they came up with an explanation as stupid as "wild pokemon only appear to trainers when they want to be caught and that they actually enjoy all the time training and fighting.". To say that it promotes abusing animals in real life though is a stupid stretch to make, so it doesn't really matter.

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LzWinky

I wonder what sort of biology Haunter, etc. have that made them evolve...by trading. That is a bigger question imo

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I wonder what sort of biology Haunter, etc. have that made them evolve...by trading. That is a bigger question imo

I assume the feeling of abandonment makes them somehow gain new power or something like that.

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Wild Pokemon are trying to get off the streets and to earn their rent money to live in Pokeballs they have to fight because that what they're good at.

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mamp

Who cares? It's a game for made for kids (although adults can enjoy it too). Don't question it, Pokemon isn't exactly a story heavy game and the anime's logic has been flawed since the release of the 1st pokemon movie (where they state pokemon shouldn't be used for fighting but that's all the movie is). Also the all so stupid team plasma- Pokemon shouldn't be forced to be in pokeballs, they shouldn't be forced to battle, they should be free, yet EVERY single one of the members runs around with Pokemon in their pockets and they're all looking for a battle.

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Kaze_Memaryu

@Thanks4Tip It's basically stringing together the snippets of information both the show and the games have on offer. And it took me a lot of time to collect that kind of stuff, but I just love Pokélore and history.

The first hints of the relationships between humans and Pokés were remotely mentioned in the fourth movie (the one with Celebi), and occasionally echoed through the show here and there. Season three had some interesting hints due to Kyogre and Groudon being the first legends having an actual historical past (Ho-Oh just had one incident that doesn't matter much for the lore).
But a good thing to do is go through Pokédex entries. Some are entirely different in some languages, and they generally give a good impression on behaviour. Everything else is logically explained both through behaviour and the existance of humanoid Pokés.

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