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Vendetta

101. Posted:

Again, the exceptions are what makes the news, not the every day decent goings on. But everyone's got a camera and a video recorder built into their cell phones to capture every stupid antic, encouraged by shows like Jackass and [INSERT "REALITY" SHOW HERE]. And the Internet gives them an outlet to post them for all to see. And the ubiquity of these random acts of mayhem, violence and other morally questionable actions - not just on the 'Net but in the movies, music, television, and even video "games" (GTA... really? A game in which you perpetrate the titular felony offense, and even more egregious capital offences?) has led to society's increased tolerance of it, because tolerating it is more "socially acceptable" than criticizing or diminiscrating (not always a bad word!) against it. And, as night leads to day, an increase in tolerance leads to an increase in the products which push its limits.
So I do think we're a touch worse off than we once were, but not as bad as the media would have you believe.

EDIT: @Sean, excellent strategy! I kept many texts and notebooks from elementary school through college, and using them as a sort of outline, I like to explore the information that's been revealed on those subjects in the (too many) years since. And yeah, dinosaurs still rock.

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Part of the problem is people tend to romanticize the past. Ever see those people who say they wish America today were more like the 1950's? That sure was a great time. IF you were a straight white Christian male. Not such a good time for gays, blacks and minorities, was it? Society has always been a sick little puppy in one way or another, and as Joe Diddley showed in those quotes in his posts near the beginning of this thread, there have always been people wringing their hands and declaring the end is at hand.

By the way, those claiming today's music is a sign of the decline is utter nonsense. You do realize that was said about Beethoven, Elvis and just about everyone else, right?

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103. Posted:

The+Fox wrote:

By the way, those claiming today's music is a sign of the decline is utter nonsense. You do realize that was said about Beethoven, Elvis and just about everyone else, right?

I'm not sure it's nonsense, but it does illustrate perfectly my point that an increase in tolerance leads to an increase in the products which push its limits. And ummm... Beethoven? :D I don't believe his music was criticized for inciting violence, hatred, misogyny , etc.

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104. Posted:

Unlocked and reloaded, cool, i have nothing to contribute to this though since i dont believe society is declining, i just believe its based on perceptions. Some people want to live in the 80s, even 1800s some people wish they could go 30 years in the future and see all the new technology. Its a debate that nobody can win in since everyones subject to their own view and theres no right or rong about that

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105. Posted:

On a lot of things I'd agree with you, DaDun, that there's no right or wrong. Like Frankenberry being better than Count Chocula (some might disagree, but they'd be wrong LOL), or whether we should make Prosody do a shot before each new post (so wrong it's right!). But there are some things that are objectively, I dare say universally wrong. And promoting those things as glamorous is also wrong, particularly when done so towards younger, more impressionable audiences.

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106. Posted:

Yes are right vendetta, the right moral and social norms have to be taught to young people. We cant feed them bad information to carry on in their lives. Using your point on this topic though, influencing young people that the society they are growing up in is bad and unhealthy really isnt a nice/fair thing to say. Its almost like you are putting them down from your own egotistical perspective. It is true, some places in society are worse off than others, but there are still great things everywhere if you look around. And for some reason, my english wording of this comment seems to be very off, quite unlike me lol

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Terra

107. Posted:

Sean+Aaron wrote:

One thing I've started doing as I've gotten older is revisiting things I enjoyed when I was younger, but with a more serious mind.

That's quite a good idea. I did like Astrology a lot when I was about 8 or 9 (7-8 years ago) so that might be a good one to revisit. I was into Football (More than I am now) and Speedway (Being a motorsport, I obviously can't participate in it but I did enjoy watching). Hmm... I'll have to do some digging around to see what else I was interested in, there's probably quite a few things I've forgotten about. Doesn't help that my parents threw my old school books away ages ago.

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CowLaunch

108. Posted:

Every generation throughout history has lamented the worsening of standards in society and the youth of their time. You can actually read letters from early modern England that say almost exactly what people are saying now. Society never was what people thought it was, human behaviour never lives up to the ideals of the time.

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Metang

109. Posted:

Hasn't anyone watched this yet? :P It's a perfect example of what's happened to music...

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110. Posted:

@Dadun- I agree. I've said this for awhile now (realworld, not here) that I think that some parents need to take their job of child raising more seriously. It's not just about locing your child and protecting them now, but raising them to be compassionate people giving them decent morals to guid them. That includes trying to set a good example. Also some people need to teach their children respect.
I think it would be a good thing to have a class encouraging and teaching morals, politness, respect and compassion for others. Also might be good for people to be taught when they young to think through things before doing them and what the consequences could be because of them.
I also think that some parents really need to be careful with what they let their kids get exposed to. I think some parents take this too lightly.

I'm not saying this to tear down young people. I'm saying that if we want to make a better world, we need to start with our kids. I think that the key. Like building a good foundation for a better future.

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111. Posted:

longtimegamer wrote:

@Dadun- I agree. I've said this for awhile now (realworld, not here) that I think that some parents need to take their job of child raising more seriously. It's not just about locing your child and protecting them now, but raising them to be compassionate people giving them decent morals to guid them. That includes trying to set a good example. Also some people need to teach their children respect.
I think it would be a good thing to have a class encouraging and teaching morals, politness, respect and compassion for others. Also might be good for people to be taught when they young to think through things before doing them and what the consequences could be because of them.
I also think that some parents really need to be careful with what they let their kids get exposed to. I think some parents take this too lightly.

I'm not saying this to tear down young people. I'm saying that if we want to make a better world, we need to start with our kids. I think that the key. Like building a good foundation for a better future.

You might want to talk to my parents. While they certainly do a good job of being careful what I am exposed to, the morals they've been teaching me are the worst: they've taught me nothing but intolerance and hatred for humanity.

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112. Posted:

@Metang-Wow! I hope you think differantly, dispite this.

Edit- I think their should be a required parenting class that teaches good parenting skills (and to make them aware that there is more to parenting than keeping kids alive and entertained.

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113. Posted:

longtimegamer wrote:

@Metang-Wow! I hope you think differantly, dispite this.

Well, they ARE right-wing conservatives. They've been teaching me to be a homophobic, and I used to be like that until last Spring, when I joined Bulbagarden forums.

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114. Posted:

Metang wrote:

Hasn't anyone watched this yet? :P It's a perfect example of what's happened to music...

Holy crap... that made me want to vomit! they aren't even singing! it's just using damn computers to auto-tune those talent-less voices.

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115. Posted:

@Ristar42- There's nothing wrong with teaching people to be nice, respectful, and to think out their actions. How can someone not agree with that?

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116. Posted:

@longtimegamer: Like I said, when it comes to what I watch on TV, what movies I see, what I view on the internet, and what games I play, they do a pretty good job. But when it comes to morals... shivers

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The ruling class doesn't want people to be able to think for themselves and have high moral values. The few control the many through fear, hate, ignorance and denial. Their power depends on the society being "bad". If they have media corporations, the financial system, the entertainment industry, the public health and education system, organized religions, etc. in their pockets, they control our life, our reality because these are the things that make the system we live in. From the day people become conscious, they are being conditioned by the system, which - as many might have noticed - is corrupt. As we know, 2+2=4, but what if we were taught that 2+2=5 from the day we become conscious? Probably it would become a fact, the "truth", because everyone says so.
I think I didn't make the point very clear, just read George Orwell's "1984" to understand what I'm saying.
PS. If anyone thinks today's pop music sucks, stop listening to it check out the indie and underground music scene.

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118. Posted:

i totally agree to the comment above.
the culture of somebody sueing somebody else needs to stop. if you trip, and injure yourself, who`s to blame. YOU ARE, nobody else. how can you blame somebody else if you don`t pay attention to where you`re going. it`s rediculous.
also, pollitical correctness is also the bigfest pile of sh8 going. as far as i`m concearned, it`s a weak mans excuse to avoid responsability, and a way of controlling people through fear.

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119. Posted:

Like others here have stated, the negatives may sometimes outshine the positives, but they never outnumber them. I'm aware of home grown terrorists, I hear that 12yr old kid saying **** off to his mum, I read that idiot's words here yesterday, I watch the news and feel like crying when I learn of brutal rapes and murders, i don't know my neighbours, I see old ladies avoid eye contact with me when all I'm trying to do is smile, I'm used to not being thanked for holding a door open for a lady, I'm tired of the superficial image the media expects us to live up to, I wonder how equality can ever truly be whilst sex sells, I see parents buying their children GTA, I see at least a dozen things everyday which could easily make me give up hope, but right now I'm smiling. :)

Regardless of any body else's behaviour, I was brought up with manners and morals and respect for my elders, and I know that the majority of other people were too. If we stick to what we know and don't get dragged down with the rest of the pond-life, there's nothing stopping any of us seeing and enjoying the best of one another, and passing that knowledge on to subsequent generations.

I am the eternal optimist, we'll be okay in the end, we've got this far without society tearing itself apart. Admittedly, we have along way to go and many challenges ahead, but then so did all those before us and they were living in much darker times.

I'm not one for religion, but I have alot of faith.

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Vendetta

120. Posted:

And with that, Machu my friend, you demonstrate the hopes and better instincts of us all. Well done.

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