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MysticGengar

In all honesty, I think Microsoft will likely be the next one to drop out of the great console race. Maybe Xbox will become more of a brand of games rather than a console in the future. Why else would the "XBOX" game pass come to the switch? The name should clue in some console exclusivity.

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Glitchling78

If the future is streaming, where the raw power of your console doesn’t matter, I wouldn’t be surprised if XBox and PlayStation eventually go the hybrid route too and focus on exclusives. Except they wouldn’t even need their consoles to be as powerful as the Switch just to stream. It might not happen but I could definitely see it.

As for Nintendo, I kind of expect they will fall behind on the streaming train for a while. They seem to innovate in their own bubble for a while and catch up later. Whilst this hasn’t always been favourable (N64 cartridges) they would at least keep Nintendo die-hards and the people who either don’t want to stream or don’t have the internet speeds to do it yet. Or they’ll surprise us with some new cool feature, who knows!

I don’t think they’re going the way of Sega, even though they make bone-headed decisions sometimes (Switch Online) they’re literally the most experienced of the 3 major console makers.

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ThanosReXXX

I really wonder how and why this comparison always keeps returning every couple of years or so, or maybe even every year, while it's SO completely incomparable in practically every way possible, that it isn't even funny anymore.

So, to answer the question of the original poster: no to all questions, and Xbox's services being on the Switch also doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot in the bigger picture. And it most certainly won't mean that Microsoft is going to take over Nintendo. Those thoughts are completely baseless and unfounded, and should really go the way of the dinosaur, but unfortunately, they will probably resurface again somewhere in the not too distant future...

There's also something important that a lot of people don't take into account: being both a video game and video game console developer and manufacturer is Nintendo's core business, contrary to the other two parties, so for Nintendo it's WAY more important to keep that going. Probably also the reason why they've now finally started to diversify into the theme park business and so on, so that they also have something else to get revenue from, and to do some risk spreading, much like Microsoft and Sony.

On a side note:

Microsoft is also not going anywhere. It's already pretty clear that they're investing in yet another actual piece of hardware in the shape of a home console, as explicitly guaranteed by Phil Spencer himself, so even if they are bowing out, in favor of turning the entire Xbox brand into a Games as a Service franchise, it's most certainly NOT going to be in the near future. At the earliest, we're talking about 2024 - 2025 before something along those lines will become evident...

Personally, I'm actually expecting Sony to fall behind and/or bow out, eventually. They were the absolute #1 this generation, no doubt about that, but they've become highly complacent, obnoxiously stubborn where things like crossplay are concerned, defending it with lame excuses across the board, and if Microsoft is able to triumph over them once again in the premium hardware department, then it's going to be obvious that the only platform of choice for high end console gaming will be the next Xbox, and not the next PlayStation.

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RedderRugfish

@ThanosReXXX I am curious to see how Sony does with their next console.

I wouldn't disagree that they've become somewhat complacent, people are starting to question their policies/practices, and controversies keep popping up like the cross play and censorship debacles. Not to mention all the rumors of paying for timed exclusives.

With that being said, the Playstation brand itself is still a pretty strong one, so it'll be interesting to see where things go.

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ThanosReXXX

@ReaderRagfihs Well, so is Nintendo, and besides Xbox itself, Microsoft is obviously also a very strong brand. But both of them have shown what a screw up can do. Nintendo with the Wii U, and Microsoft with the launch of the Xbox One. Race already lost, even before it had begun.

Normally, it's not about how many times you fall, but about how many times you can get back up again, but in the video game industry, especially in consoles, that always takes an entire generation, so you need to get out of the gate with all engines firing, or else it's bye-bye market share...

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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Anti-Matter

@ThanosReXXX
"Personally, I'm actually expecting Sony to fall behind and/or bow out, eventually."

I wonder about the reaction of mass of peoples when they know NO more PlayStation anymore in the future. 😏
Here in Indonesia, PlayStation is like part of their lifestyle (Even Ghettos in Indonesia knew about PlayStation) and Nintendo is like a Secondary brand. So, if PlayStation has been Discontinued = take a fish Out from the water + a Giant slap on their face. I cannot imagine if it will start a pitch fork and fire when PlayStation has been discontinued because most Indonesian peoples don't play Nintendo, completely don't care Xbox brand.

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ThanosReXXX

@Anti-Matter Well, that's entirely their problem, then. Personally, I couldn't care less. And no amount of people protesting and going somewhere with torches and pitchforks will be able to bring any console or company back, once the decision has been made, so only stupid people would try that.

If any brand would be discontinued over here, there would be no such idiotic outrage. People would just find another hobby, or keep playing on the consoles that they already own, which is also what I would do. Getting way too angry over something that's just a hobby, is pretty damn stupid anyway. People are FAR too invested into their material belongings, nowadays, and that isn't even what life is all about, so it shouldn't really matter all that much and people should just move on already.

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RR529

@ThanosReXXX, I honestly don't see Sony dropping out before MS, simply due to the fact that the Xbox brand has only been a consistently competitive brand in the US & UK. As far as I'm aware, it's more niche in other parts of Europe, and practically nonexistent in Japan & southeast Asia. If Sony makes a big mistake, MS most definitely has a chance to take top spot in the US & UK, but I don't think it'll make much difference in those other markets.

Not that I want MS to go anywhere, mind you. While I chose PS4 this year, I heavily used 360 last gen.

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ThanosReXXX

@RR529 Me thinking Sony is going down sooner than Microsoft hasn't only got to do with the video game industry. To this day, they're still recovering from major money losses and restructuring/canceling various product lines and departments.

Microsoft may not be big in Asia in video consoles, but the whole world IS using Windows, so they'll always have that. Sony, outside of their video game branch and movie and music branch, the latter of which is also still not really making any massive profits, is only big in Japan, due to something that very few people over here know about, and that is the insurance and pension plan branch, which is quite massive in their homeland area, and makes them a lot of money, but only over there.

Nintendo is clearly recovering from the Wii U debacle, and if they can keep up with their current flow, they'll reach a pretty decent lifetime sales number for the Switch in the end. Microsoft is far behind for now, but the Xbox One X is doing decently as well, and regardless of their current position in the industry, they DO have the most powerful console ever made, and it actually is slowly gaining traction.

If they're smart, they're going to pull the same move again this coming generation, once again beating Sony with a more powerful premium version of their new console, and then things will go their way a lot smoother than they are going now. And don't forget Microsoft playing nice with everyone BUT Sony.

If Microsoft releases it's xCloud tech, whatever it's ultimately supposed to be, on all platforms except Sony's, then the cooperation between all those platforms combined is going to be one MASSIVE hurdle for Sony to overcome, and I just don't see them succeeding in doing that.

Mind you, I don't actually see them leaving the industry in the near future, but if I would HAVE to choose one out of the three that will eventually drop out, then it would most definitely be Sony. Them currently being number one means nothing in the larger picture of the coming generation(s). That's only valid for the current market, which really isn't going to last much longer than another year or so, at the most.

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What's up with all the brand names in bold letters? I don't think there's any real need to emphasize ALL of them...

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skywake

Glitchling78 wrote:

If the future is streaming, where the raw power of your console doesn’t matter, I wouldn’t be surprised if XBox and PlayStation eventually go the hybrid route too and focus on exclusives. Except they wouldn’t even need their consoles to be as powerful as the Switch just to stream. It might not happen but I could definitely see it.

Streaming games is one of those things that people think is inevitable because they're not thinking about it. Sure it'll be a thing but it's not going to be the only game in town. It's kinda like when you watch Back to the Future and see what the 80s thought 2015 would be like. A Fax in every room, a kind of super microwave, 1000s of cable TV channels, laser discs filling the streets. So people see Netflix, they see games and think "hey, that's the future". Just because something is the "logical next step" doesn't mean it makes any sense.

Consider what the idea of game streaming is actually trying to solve. It's all about being able to have high end visuals on a low spec device right? The idea is that you put up with the unavoidable impacts of streaming (latency, compression) because it's high end PC graphics on a 10W device. But consider this, what else has been happening at the same time? Mobile graphics are getting better and better to the point where something like the Switch can exist. Why have a game streaming service for people who don't want to invest in hardware when the next generation of smart TVs and Tablets potentially have more horsepower than the PS4 anyways?

ThanosReXXX wrote:

Personally, I'm actually expecting Sony to fall behind and/or bow out, eventually. They were the absolute #1 this generation, no doubt about that, but they've become highly complacent, obnoxiously stubborn

It's the other way around. They can be complacent and stubborn because they know they're not going anywhere. I mean if we're drawing parallels between Sony and other game companies in the 90s? Sony are behaving far more like Nintendo than Sega. Nintendo was the one refusing to go with optical media, braking of deals with companies like Sony and Phillips to go it their own way. They could do this because they knew they weren't going anywhere.

If anything Microsoft are the one behaving like Sega currently. Microsoft has almost given up on the idea of the XBox as a console. They're more than happy to turn it into a software platform that exists outside of hardware if that works. If someone wants cross-play? Sure, go for it. Anything that gives them good press.

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Anti-Matter

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Nintendo WILL NOT going anywhere !
Nintendo WILL NOT become another SEGA !

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@skywake
"Why have a game streaming service for people who don't want to invest in hardware when the next generation of smart TVs and Tablets potentially have more horsepower than the PS4 anyways?"

I don't even want a tablet / iphone / smartphone / smart TV with more power.
They are DEFINITELY 100% NOT a gaming device for me.
For me, No Physical games = No Buy.
Period.

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2. Dragon Quest Builders 2 PS4/Switch (95)
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Kisame83

The thing about them having a platform is that it allows them to act as a publisher as well. Being a software developer only wouldn't suit them. For example, they at times have given home to projects other platform holders have rejected or canceled. Bayonetta 2/3 for example. Rumors of them doing the same for Scalebound. A number of their GameCube initiatives (though some of those did wind up cross plat, such as Capcoms Clover games). They also make money by being an attractive home for indies. Some are cross plat, some are console exclusive with Switch, some are Switch exclusive period. There's also the rise of the mobile to traditional console scene. In order to publish from either studios, as a software only company, they would need to absorb said company (think Sega and Atlas). And would still be beholden to other platform holders to approve.

Another way to visualize this difference from Sega- look at Sega's classic collections. Great games, but 1st party. Nintendo loves to leverage its back catalog, and they work with other companies to bring third party releases back alongside their 1st party offerings.

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Zidentia

Anti-Matter wrote:

@skywake
"Why have a game streaming service for people who don't want to invest in hardware when the next generation of smart TVs and Tablets potentially have more horsepower than the PS4 anyways?"

I don't even want a tablet / iphone / smartphone / smart TV with more power.
They are DEFINITELY 100% NOT a gaming device for me.
For me, No Physical games = No Buy.
Period.

I wish people would realize that streaming, at its very essence, is RENTING games not owning them. I can buy a physical game and use it forever, resell it or give it to someone. You cannot do this with streaming. Why let the corporations screw you for profits when you have a right to vote with your money?

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Grumblevolcano

I think Sony's the most likely to drop out first of the big 3. Nintendo and Microsoft working together have Sony cornered for next gen if Sony decides to keep being arrogant going into next gen.

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TheFanatic

Only the OUYA can survive into next gen

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