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Topic: Government run Health care! yes or no?

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gameking23

21. Posted:

The New York Times is not the best place to cite sources. Since they are heavily biased. And the thing on improvement is needed in the US but NOT government run health care. What we need is the ability to buy health insurance nation wide and not be restricted to what state we live in. This would cause the cost of health care to come down and quality to rise. Unlike the House plan where costs will go UP and quality will go DOWN.

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Bahamut ZERO,Vendetta & Gameking23 are 110% Correct.

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Bahamut+ZERO wrote:

No. People who can afford health care will be "punished" with extra taxes and lower quality medical attention.

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Turbo_Genesis_64

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For clarfication, the experts were the research groups that did the scientific polling.

Taxes are actually lower now for the middle class than they were under Bush Jr. So I don't get were you guys are coming from. Nobody likes taxes, but you need them to run a nation properly. Countries without taxes are third world nations!!!

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Given that I have a great health care coverage at work, I'd say leave it alone. But if I was someone who had no health care, I'm sure I might be all for it. I tend to prefer that the government stay out of as much of my personal stuff as possible, as a general rule. :)

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Vendetta

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T-Gen please, you're all over the map. I've heard no one here protesting taxes. What I personally object to is when my taxes and those of millions of others are misappropriated to support failing endeavours.

I ask you a personal question that is for you to answer in your own way, whether here or just silently in your heart. Would you prefer your uncle to have private insurance and health care provided at Memorial Sloan-Kettering or government healthcare provided at a clinic? And again, whatever your answer and whatever his provider, I wish him a full and speedy recovery and many happy years to come.

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28. Posted:

@Turbo Genesis: Taxes are lower for the middle class? I have not heard of a single tax cut since Obama took office, only raises. Your nation needs taxes to function, yes, but how much do you really need? This would pour over into arguments about everything, particularly the war in Iraq now, where loads of cash is going(it's like a billion dollars for one plane). That is something i would rather not discuss. This thread is not about taxes, it's about health care.

What is what should be discussed is health care. Taxes will be raised. Fact. Quality will be lower. Fact.

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Turbo_Genesis_64

29. Posted:

I think the whole profit medical system is sick and boarding on inhumane even for those who have coverage.

When my grandma was dying from breast cancer, the doctor told our family she just had days left to live. We later found out that after he said that they still did 89 x-rays on a frail dying woman who had her breasts removed and charged it to the insurance companies. it was needless to do that and make her suffer more. It was just to make money. She was like a little cash cow for them.

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Bahamut_ZERO

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@Turbo Genesis: People need to make a living you know. It's not inhumane, the doctor didn't do anything that would harm her or anything. Besides, who is sure that those x-rays were taken to make money instead of being positive she couldn't be saved?

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CJ1

31. Posted:

I live in England and have a chronic illness. Without the NHS, I would have spent thousands and thousands of pounds (which I can't afford) on treatment. Free healthcare FTW

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Turbo_Genesis_64

32. Posted:

Education isn't for profit. Fire Departments aren't for profit. Police Departments aren't for profit.

So don't give me, it's ok to screw over a dying woman and X-ray the hell out of her just to squeeze some final bucks out of her!

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Bahamut_ZERO

33. Posted:

@CJ: Point exactly. Free is better for those who can afford it. Those who can don't like it. It all depends on your financial situation.

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WaLzgi

34. Posted:

Is it really free when you pay it with your taxmoney? I don't approve universal health care, but I do like the idea of more affordable health care. Give health care to those who are working (and their family) or who can't due to disabilities, age, etc.

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CJ1

35. Posted:

@Zero Given that the rich can afford the tax, and the poor can't afford insurance. Isn't free better, all round?

(and we still have private healthcare, for those that want 'premium' service)

Don't let middle class white america media, tell you government run healthcare is a bad service.

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Turbo_Genesis_64

36. Posted:

Thanks CJ for some perspective on someone who actually has benefited from a government run health care system. Sounds like you owe your life to it.

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Swiket

37. Posted:

Wow, a topic I can get into.

I think we should:

  • Lower the number of malpractice lawsuits. So much money is paid out in malpractice insurance and doctors running un-necessary tests that it drives up costs.
  • Have other companies adopt the WalMart plan of low cost meds.
  • Have the government work with insurance companies to provide a low cost alternative for low income people.

The absolute last thing we need to do is go with the Britain or Canada approach, we need to work to find away that minimizes government intervention instead of creating a universal health care system.

To quote James Bartholomew: "Taken as a whole, Britain's universal healthcare system has evolved into a ramshackle structure where tests are underperformed, equipment is undersupplied, operations are underdone, and medical personnel are overworked, underpaid and overly tied down in red tape. In other words, your chances of coming out of the American medical system alive are dramatically better than in Britain."

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Turbo_Genesis_64

38. Posted:

Perhaps, the worst aspect about a for profit health care system is that we have to watch all of these stupid and awkward erectile dysfunction commercials 24/7!

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CJ1

39. Posted:

Thanks Genesis, I do owe alot to the NHS, without it, my life would be a struggle, i'm sure.

@Swiket, that quote may be true, to an extent. But if you chop your finger off with a buzzsaw in the UK, no doctor will say "negligence, we cant fix that"

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40. Posted:

Turbo+Genesis+64 wrote:

Perhaps, the worst aspect about a for profit health care system is that we have to watch all of these stupid and awkward erectile dysfunction commercials 24/7!

Viva..............nevermind, I hate those commercials. How about those meds that make eyelashes longer, and you need a prescription!

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