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161. Posted:

tonyp415 wrote:

NO why do you think we are so strong as a government because we don't do things like this and other stuff that other countries do authough I'm a demacradic I can't dissagree with Obama more then I already do

High-Five for that statement!

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gameking23 wrote:

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Socialism is only a step a way from Communism. The reform that Congress is proposing will end up hurting everyone. So do not come crying to me when you are old and denied a life saving treatment. As I have stated b4 I am not against true reform I am against the proposed bill in the House.

"Socialism is only a step a way from Communism"

So you DO see it as some evil boogeyman. A moot point, though, as we're not discussing socialism.

"So do not come crying to me when you are old and denied a life saving treatment"

Well, hell, what do you think would happen now? I can't get insurance, so I'd be denied even the most basic treatments unless I had the money. I just hope by your quote that you aren't one of those people believing the B.S about death panels deciding who lives and dies.

People who do not have insurance still can get medical attention, but with the House bill if you would actually READ it does admit to rationing. As for death panels how can they not have them with rationing in place.

The so called "death panels" are nothing but lies. Those who oppose it and are looking to whip up those confused ,uncertain and even scared about the situation. Those who use the term love the imagery , with an 80-year old begging a group of dour government officals for needed care to keep her alive only to have them raise their hands and lower their thumbs in some throwback to gladiator days. Said women I'm sure in these peoples minds is drug behind a shed and shot like a lame racehorse. They figure arguing something with no merit is easier to drum up support than the difficult taks of approaching people with the facts. You point out a single case of anyone involved in the bill mentioning anything about a death panel and I'll show you a picture of hell frozen over.

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163. Posted:

┌∩┐(0_0)┌∩┐ lol

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tonyp415

164. Posted:

Oh I'm supossed to censer that ops hahaaha

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165. Posted:

tonyp415 wrote:

NO why do you think we are so strong as a government because we don't do things like this and other stuff that other countries do authough I'm a demacradic I can't dissagree with Obama more then I already do

"We don't do stuff like this and other countries do"
What, we don't provide care for those that need it the most? No only the destitute but those that work an honest job, are barely keeping their heads above water and have to decide between medicine and food? Those that have chronic conditions that could be kept at a level that wouldn't interfere with their day to day lives if only they had the means, but instead most suffer and die 20 years before their time?

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166. Posted:

Obama said in his infomertial on ABC that instead of giving someone the necessary medical treatment. To instead give them a pain pill and let them go.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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168. Posted:

gameking23 wrote:

Obama said in his infomertial on ABC that instead of giving someone the necessary medical treatment. To instead give them a pain pill and let them go.

Do you have a link for this?
Doesn't sound like anything that is going to back up the death panel claims. If you don't agree with it, that's your opinion and I'm more than happy to argue the issue with you. I just hate when this particular peice of misinformation shows up.

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tonyp415

169. Posted:

The+Fox wrote:

tonyp415 wrote:

NO why do you think we are so strong as a government because we don't do things like this and other stuff that other countries do authough I'm a demacradic I can't dissagree with Obama more then I already do

"We don't do stuff like this and other countries do"
What, we don't provide care for those that need it the most? No only the destitute but those that work an honest job, are barely keeping their heads above water and have to decide between medicine and food? Those that have chronic conditions that could be kept at a level that wouldn't interfere with their day to day lives if only they had the means, but instead most suffer and die 20 years before their time?

uhm by the way You won't be able to get private insureinse and also if your plan changes after this goes into affect guess what YOU LOSE YOUR INSURINSE AND YOU HAVE TO LET THE DUMB GOVERNMENT take care of you and they also put a new bill that allows them to refuse service to you

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RJay

170. Posted:

Look are people dying in England because there is national health care?? Other countries are fine with it.

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tonyp415 wrote:

The+Fox wrote:

tonyp415 wrote:

NO why do you think we are so strong as a government because we don't do things like this and other stuff that other countries do authough I'm a demacradic I can't dissagree with Obama more then I already do

"We don't do stuff like this and other countries do"
What, we don't provide care for those that need it the most? No only the destitute but those that work an honest job, are barely keeping their heads above water and have to decide between medicine and food? Those that have chronic conditions that could be kept at a level that wouldn't interfere with their day to day lives if only they had the means, but instead most suffer and die 20 years before their time?

uhm by the way You won't be able to get private insureinse and also if your plan changes after this goes into affect guess what YOU LOSE YOUR INSURINSE AND YOU HAVE TO LET THE DUMB GOVERNMENT take care of you and they also put a new bill that allows them to refuse service to you

Gasp! It's a good thing that insurance companies don't refuse service to anyone. Wait, that's exactly what happens. Insurance will fight any charge that they can, and those seen as cash sinks are dropped the first chance they get. Rising premiums, countless loopholes, anything. And once you're dropped if you're suffering from something chronic you're not getting back in.

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jesus! six hours and now 9+ pages!
When Bush was spending billions of your precious tax payers money on bombing Baghdad, and being inept and untrustworthy, you voted him back in (something I can never understand and will always make me doubt the American public
kyaa that's covered in lolsause, thanks, Machu!!

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173. Posted:

The+Fox wrote:

tonyp415 wrote:

The+Fox wrote:

tonyp415 wrote:

NO why do you think we are so strong as a government because we don't do things like this and other stuff that other countries do authough I'm a demacradic I can't dissagree with Obama more then I already do

"We don't do stuff like this and other countries do"
What, we don't provide care for those that need it the most? No only the destitute but those that work an honest job, are barely keeping their heads above water and have to decide between medicine and food? Those that have chronic conditions that could be kept at a level that wouldn't interfere with their day to day lives if only they had the means, but instead most suffer and die 20 years before their time?

uhm by the way You won't be able to get private insureinse and also if your plan changes after this goes into affect guess what YOU LOSE YOUR INSURINSE AND YOU HAVE TO LET THE DUMB GOVERNMENT take care of you and they also put a new bill that allows them to refuse service to you

Gasp! It's a good thing that insurance companies don't refuse service to anyone. Wait, that's exactly what happens. Insurance will fight any charge that they can, and those seen as cash sinks are dropped the first chance they get. Rising premiums, countless loopholes, anything. And once you're dropped if you're suffering from something chronic you're not getting back in.

Ohhhhh man I never though that my knownalge would have to be used like this... Well then still we don't need one JUST TRUST ME ON THIS they are gonna make you pay for someone else's medicine that they could pay for them self and as true as what you said I don't think that we need one based on this arugument

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Swiket

174. Posted:

RJay wrote:

Look are people dying in England because there is national health care?? Other countries are fine with it.

So because those countries are fine with it means we should bring it to the US? We aren't all the same.

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The problem with all those who voted "No" is that it's safe to say that they thought it would've been a good idea to have had Sarah Palin as Vice President of the United States of America!

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175. Posted:

Swiket wrote:

RJay wrote:

Look are people dying in England because there is national health care?? Other countries are fine with it.

So because those countries are fine with it means we should bring it to the US? We aren't all the same.

Turbo+Genesis+64 wrote:

The problem with all those who voted "No" is that it's safe to say that they thought it would've been a good idea to have had Sarah Palin as Vice President of the United States of America!

o_O

Real mature. "Hmm... I have nothing to contribute... why don't I bash Palin!"

I'm saying, there is evidence that it works. You don't look at England as a third world country. If a certain model can be emulated, then I don't see why not.

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176. Posted:

tonyp415 wrote:

The+Fox wrote:

tonyp415 wrote:

The+Fox wrote:

tonyp415 wrote:

NO why do you think we are so strong as a government because we don't do things like this and other stuff that other countries do authough I'm a demacradic I can't dissagree with Obama more then I already do

"We don't do stuff like this and other countries do"
What, we don't provide care for those that need it the most? No only the destitute but those that work an honest job, are barely keeping their heads above water and have to decide between medicine and food? Those that have chronic conditions that could be kept at a level that wouldn't interfere with their day to day lives if only they had the means, but instead most suffer and die 20 years before their time?

uhm by the way You won't be able to get private insureinse and also if your plan changes after this goes into affect guess what YOU LOSE YOUR INSURINSE AND YOU HAVE TO LET THE DUMB GOVERNMENT take care of you and they also put a new bill that allows them to refuse service to you

Gasp! It's a good thing that insurance companies don't refuse service to anyone. Wait, that's exactly what happens. Insurance will fight any charge that they can, and those seen as cash sinks are dropped the first chance they get. Rising premiums, countless loopholes, anything. And once you're dropped if you're suffering from something chronic you're not getting back in.

Ohhhhh man I never though that my knownalge would have to be used like this... Well then still we don't need one JUST TRUST ME ON THIS they are gonna make you pay for someone else's medicine that they could pay for them self and as true as what you said I don't think that we need one based on this arugument

Honestly, I wish I could trust you. I wish that the system works. It doesn't . Is Obama's plan perfect? No, but none are. I actually believe we should go further than what his bill puts forth. Answer me a pair of simple questions: Why shouldn't health be a human right? Why should only those that can afford it be able to have good medical care?

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I'm saying, there is evidence that it works. You don't look at England as a third world country. If a certain model can be emulated, then I don't see why not.

Well, the two closest western Governments that are closest to being like America, would undoubtedly be Britain and Canada, both also have the same type of universal healthcare that Obama is pushing. Both healthcare systems are spectacular failures. Now am I saying all universal healthcare is a failure? Absolutely not. But when you get to countries such as say France or Denmark or Switzerland, their countries begin to become radically different in economy, structure, etc etc, and while a universal healthcare system could work in say the high-tax radical socialist structure of France, or in Switzerland where they automatically deport illegal aliens, and have very tough immigration laws. There is just no way it could possibly work here.

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178. Posted:

The amount of ignorance in this thread on both sides is staggering.

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Swiket wrote:

RJay wrote:

I'm saying, there is evidence that it works. You don't look at England as a third world country. If a certain model can be emulated, then I don't see why not.

Well, the two closest western Governments that are closest to being like America, would undoubtedly be Britain and Canada, both also have the same type of universal healthcare that Obama is pushing. Both healthcare systems are spectacular failures. Now am I saying all universal healthcare is a failure? Absolutely not. But when you get to countries such as say France or Denmark or Switzerland, their countries begin to become radically different in economy, structure, etc etc, and while a universal healthcare system could work in say the high-tax radical socialist structure of France, or in Switzerland where they automatically deport illegal aliens, and have very tough immigration laws. There is just no way it could possibly work here.

I don't support national health care for illegals. I support it for the legitimate citizens. The whole illegal immigrant thing is another argument. I personally feel they shouldn't be here at all.

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WaltzElf wrote:

The amount of ignorance in this thread on both sides is staggering.

Don't be a lurker. Hop in and voice your opinions.

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