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Turbo_Genesis_64

141. Posted:

BMFJOSEPH90 wrote:

What does this have to do with gaming?

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Turbo+Genesis+64 wrote:

BMFJOSEPH90 wrote:

What does this have to do with gaming?

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Very funny. :D

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143. Posted:

Turbo+Genesis+64 wrote:

BMFJOSEPH90 wrote:

What does this have to do with gaming?

Dr. Mario!

lol funny but still nothing to do with games

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144. Posted:

gameking23 wrote:

RJay wrote:

The quality of private schools hasn't decreased because of public schools.

Does Yale have any less standards because each state has public universities? I don't think so.

The same logic should be applied here. Private and public health care can co-exist.

Under the current bill private insurance will eventually be put out of business. Because if you have a policy now you will not be able to renew it and thus be forced into the public option.

Give evidence if you're going to say something like that. Links help. Anyways this news article reinstates that if you have health insurance, you don't have to switch over to the government one. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090811/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_h...

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145. Posted:

RJay wrote:

gameking23 wrote:

RJay wrote:

The quality of private schools hasn't decreased because of public schools.

Does Yale have any less standards because each state has public universities? I don't think so.

The same logic should be applied here. Private and public health care can co-exist.

Under the current bill private insurance will eventually be put out of business. Because if you have a policy now you will not be able to renew it and thus be forced into the public option.

Give evidence if you're going to say something like that. Links help. Anyways this news article reinstates that if you have health insurance, you don't have to switch over to the government one. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090811/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_h...

Oh, please the AP is the least credible source out there. Plus Obama does not have a health care plan. The only health care plan out there is the one that Pelosi wrote which does provide that private insurance will be phased out. Plus Obama said back in 2007 that he was all for a single payer sytsem.

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146. Posted:

Turbo+Genesis+64 wrote:

The problem with all those who voted "No" is that it's safe to say that they thought it would've been a good idea to have had Sarah Palin as Vice President of the United States of America!

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Dude, you're making yourself sound more and more like an idiot. Seriously. Get a grip and stick to the discussion. If you can't bring facts to back yourself up, then what - you just pull things out of thin air? Typical redirection tactics of a failing argument.

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147. Posted:

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What I hear about less quality is a bit baffling. Most of the people that would benefit have no care at all. Period. Kind of hard to lessen quality from that isn't it? Unless you mean poorer people being able to recieve free health care means less quality for you (a questionable claim), which is a bit of a dick argument.
And anybody who claims this is socialism gets their balls cut off by me.

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148. Posted:

Turbo+Genesis+64 wrote:

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What I hear about less quality is a bit baffling. Most of the people that would benefit have no care at all. Period. Kind of hard to lessen quality from that isn't it? Unless you mean poorer people being able to recieve free health care means less quality for you (a questionable claim), which is a bit of a dick argument.
And anybody who claims this is socialism gets their balls cut off by me.

Love him or hate him, The Fox is a straight shooter. He's always got a yellow snowball ready to throw back. And he's quickly becoming my favorite personality on NL!

A straight shooter that in it self is questionable. If you love the socialistic program why don't you go to Canada and give it a try. Then come back and tell me your thoughts on the health care debate.

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The only problem I've ever had with the Canadian model, which we had here until a few years ago is the fact that it is always threatened if there is an economic meltdown or an increase of the lederly demographic, which was used as an argument to reform our health care system here.

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The only problem I've ever had with the Canadian model, which we had here until a few years ago is the fact that it is always threatened if there is an economic meltdown or an increase of the lederly demographic, which was used as an argument to reform our health care system here.

Right there is the proof that such a system is not sustainable. At least here in America if we have a economic down turn our health care does not go with it.

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Firkraag

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forget it, I'll just regret it if I enter this debate.

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Turbo+Genesis+64 wrote:

The+Fox wrote:

What I hear about less quality is a bit baffling. Most of the people that would benefit have no care at all. Period. Kind of hard to lessen quality from that isn't it? Unless you mean poorer people being able to recieve free health care means less quality for you (a questionable claim), which is a bit of a dick argument.
And anybody who claims this is socialism gets their balls cut off by me.

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Yay! I'm beoming somone's favorite! :)

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So yeah, my bad! Jumping head long into a thread I knew nothing about, all guns blazing. I must stop doing that. :D

I hope someday America has a health care system that benefits all, and one that they are proud of and don't mind contributing toward. Phew!

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154. Posted:

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A straight shooter that in it self is questionable. If you love the socialistic program why don't you go to Canada and give it a try. Then come back and tell me your thoughts on the health care debate.

Whoops, the socialism word came out! I have to decide on rusty shears or a butterknife for cutting on someones balls as per my earlier post. Socialism, huh? That seems to have become the boogeyman for the 21st century, stepping in to replace communism. I wonder if soon people in the U.S will be brought forth to testify whether they are now, or have ever been a member of socailist party. And why would I want to move to Canada to gain new perspective? I can live here where a significant chunk of the population is denied the basics of health care and get all the learning I need. How about you spend a few months in an overcrowded health clinic in an inner city and talk to the people there. Then come back and tell me your thoughts on the health care debate.

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Socialism is only a step a way from Communism. The reform that Congress is proposing will end up hurting everyone. So do not come crying to me when you are old and denied a life saving treatment. As I have stated b4 I am not against true reform I am against the proposed bill in the House.

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gameking23 wrote:

Socialism is only a step a way from Communism. The reform that Congress is proposing will end up hurting everyone. So do not come crying to me when you are old and denied a life saving treatment. As I have stated b4 I am not against true reform I am against the proposed bill in the House.

"Socialism is only a step a way from Communism"

So you DO see it as some evil boogeyman. A moot point, though, as we're not discussing socialism.

"So do not come crying to me when you are old and denied a life saving treatment"

Well, hell, what do you think would happen now? I can't get insurance, so I'd be denied even the most basic treatments unless I had the money. I just hope by your quote that you aren't one of those people believing the B.S about death panels deciding who lives and dies.

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The+Fox wrote:

gameking23 wrote:

Socialism is only a step a way from Communism. The reform that Congress is proposing will end up hurting everyone. So do not come crying to me when you are old and denied a life saving treatment. As I have stated b4 I am not against true reform I am against the proposed bill in the House.

"Socialism is only a step a way from Communism"

So you DO see it as some evil boogeyman. A moot point, though, as we're not discussing socialism.

"So do not come crying to me when you are old and denied a life saving treatment"

Well, hell, what do you think would happen now? I can't get insurance, so I'd be denied even the most basic treatments unless I had the money. I just hope by your quote that you aren't one of those people believing the B.S about death panels deciding who lives and dies.

People who do not have insurance still can get medical attention, but with the House bill if you would actually READ it does admit to rationing. As for death panels how can they not have them with rationing in place.

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158. Posted:

NO why do you think we are so strong as a government because we don't do things like this and other stuff that other countries do authough I'm a demacradic I can't dissagree with Obama more then I already do

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tonyp415 wrote:

NO why do you think we are so strong as a government because we don't do things like this and other stuff that other countries do authough I'm a demacradic I can't dissagree with Obama more then I already do

You chose a bold thread to start your posting around here. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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tonyp415 wrote:

NO why do you think we are so strong as a government because we don't do things like this and other stuff that other countries do authough I'm a demacradic I can't dissagree with Obama more then I already do

You chose a bold thread to start your posting around here, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I know right I suck at chosing a first good way to start off =(

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