I know we used to have one of these, but for the life of me I can't find it (I even dug through 10 pages of @Shingi_70's comments, he was a pretty regular commenter on it, and his last post in general was in 2016, so I guest that thread is forgotten...)
Anyhow, after much contemplation, I've purchased my first comic book (digitally), the first volume of Rick & Morty. It's actually really cool. I've only read the first 3 chapters so far, but the art really pops and they pretty much nailed the characters. It's literally like experiencing new episodes. Apparently they've been putting them out since 2015 and have 4 volumes (about 40 chapters) out in total, so should I purchase more in the future, It'll go a long way to making the wait for season 4 more bearable, lol.
Not sure what else to check out in the future. The entire superhero genre is intimidating as heck (so many alternate universes & reboots). From what I've heard, the western publishers of manga tend to censor out any and all nudity (removing the rare instance in a more mainstream series, like Dragon Ball, is understandable, but apparently even mature series like Ghost in the Shell, and even series that thrive on fan service, like High School DXD & Triage X are cleansed of it, which I'm not sure I could get behind on principle). Also, I'm also not a big enough fan of many of the other geek culture series that get comic tie ins, like Star Wars, Star Trek, Sonic, Mega Man, or Transformers to make it worthwhile (maybe Godzilla, though).
@RR529 You might be thinking of the DC or Marvel threads, we never really had a generic comic thread. There's a Marvel one a DC one and an Anime/Manga one but not a comic one.
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@Tasuki, I could have sworn we had a general comic thread that predated the DC & Marvel threads (both of which covered more than just comics). I even believe @CanisWolfred popped in from time to time to discuss what web comics he was reading at the time.
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@subpopz Can't speak for Marvel Unlimited, but I can guide you a bit in terms of where to begin and which story arcs are good. The advice for newbies:
1) Pick a character you like, start reading some of its critically acclaimed story arcs
2) Don't worry too much about continuity, it's not worth the hassle
3) Once you've read some stuff, follow writers and artists you like
Crossover events are generally pretty bad and not a very compelling way to start. They are heavily dependent on continuity and character relationships, so they're not a great entry point.
@Tasuki, I could have sworn we had a general comic thread that predated the DC & Marvel threads (both of which covered more than just comics). I even believe @CanisWolfred popped in from time to time to discuss what web comics he was reading at the time.
Twice. But it's been a long time since that was updated. I missed it, too, since I've actually been getting more into comics lately. Most of my exposure to DC and Marvel are still relegated to the movies, though. I've honestly had more fun watching Linkara's reviews of their comics instead of trying to track down and read through them myself, although I have picked up a few in both digital and physical book formats thanks to Humble Bundle.
With that said, I'm still more into webcomics. There's a ton out there, but having archive access for each story so I can read through the narrative as intended, instead of always having to jump in part way like I was flipping through TV channels, makes even the likes of MS Paint Adventures far more accessible than most comic books, if you ask me. Granted, my tastes have still been mostly relegated to niche areas - there's just too many out there and its so much harder to find good ones nowadays that I'm mostly forced to go off of random searches, as well as links to other comics I might find advertised in whatever I'm already reading.
With that said, a few thoughts on ones I've read recently:
VG Cats - Resisting thurge to go on a rant here, but long story short: This used to be my favorite webcomic. Great art, fantastic humor, and occasionally somber or touching moments that really made me care about its characters - it was perfect for me, at least when I was a teenager. By now, however...the author has used up every ounce of good will I could muster, and if I ever want to reexperience these comics, I'll probably just rewatch the motion comic adations on Youtube...at least until those are eventually taken down....**** Youtube
DMFA - One of my long-standing favorites, and certainly one only one out of my initial round of webcomics - the stuff I experienced the first year I discovered that there were independant comics published on the Net, which blew my mind and deeply inspired me - that is actually still continuing, and more importantly, is still consistantly good.
Seriously, from humble beginnings as just some comic the author made in High School to entertain herself and her friends she played an obscure MMO with at the turn of the century, it quickly turned into a full-blown adventure, and I've truly loved it ever since. It's not the greatest story ever, nor is there a ton of action, despite its MMO roots, but it just oozes charm, and it's always building upon its foundation. Seriously, every time I read through it, I find more events that were set up, or more jokes or ideas that were referenced later on. Sometimes what seemed like a joke had a deeper meaning! I love it, and it always feels rewarding for longtime readers. Mind you, it's also not a "just jump in herever" comic, and it thankfully retconned most of the early reference bits, like TMNT and Pokemon, but I still think it's a comic worth reading, and the fact that you can start from the beginning and get caught up with a story is what I love about webcomics in the first place.
8-Bit Theater - Anybody else remember this Sprite Art comic from the mid-2000's? It's crazy to see where the artist went from here - I love his Atomic Robo comics, I never truly expect him to be able to put out art that matched his witty writing style, but boy was I wrong!
Anyways, I haven't been rereading the original webcomic perse, so much as I found a bunch of old Newgrounds animations on Youtube, which surprisingly had a lot of effort put into it...probably too much, judging by how they never got that far in. But still, it was a visual treat, and even OmaCat - who made the VG Cats Adaption With No Name - got to do voice work for a few episodes. I really wish there was more, but at least it renewed my interest in the series, and maybe someday I'll actually finish this beast...only one way to find out...
Lackadaisy - Holy cow has this been a trip so far. A comedy-thriller set in Louisiana during the 1920's...except everyone is a talking cat. I really like cats. Anyways, everyone's a little nuts, the pacing is great for a webcomic, and the art is a sight to behold. The story has been a windy road of twists and turns so far, though I think we're only partway through Act II so far, so who knows where exactly it'll go from here. Just a real joy to read, IMO.
The Furry Experience - That name is only half-accurate. It's more about living in Utah and their unique Mormon culture, than it is about the fact that its set in an alternate Utah where everyone is an anthropomorphic animal. Also by far the most PG comic I've ever read, just FYI. It's been cute and fun so far, although I'll admit, I do prefer the moments where it shows off little differenmces in their world, based on the fact that everyone is an animal, rather than when it's focusing on Mormon stuff.
The main characters are nice, too. Maybe a bit too nice? I guess that's part of Mormon culture, though, at least from the few I've met and what the story tries to stress. But really, the only character who is not from Utah is the the only one I genuinely relate to.
...God, I'm so glad I can finally talk about Comics again.
@RR529 Far as I'm concerned, if you don't mind getting comics digitally, and that seems to be the case, THE go to site is GetComics. It is a virtual treasure trove of both classic and newer comics series of practically all publishers, so you can browse the site to your heart's content, and what's more: all of the older series can be downloaded for free. You can sign up for free and if you feel like supporting them, you can already do that for $1, which seems like an absolute no-brainer to me...
Okay, so that's that part covered.
Now, although it is pretty difficult to answer the question (this one's for you too @subpopz) of which series or characters to follow, we can all of course give you a personal list of what we like and/or prefer, so sit tight, 'cause here goes:
The first recommendation I simply HAVE to give you, is the Battle Chasers series of comics by Joe Madureira. He has both worked for Marvel and independently, and for smaller companies, and coincidentally the Battle Chasers game is now coming to the Switch, so it's actually a relevant series again, that provides some nice detailed background information to the game, so here you go: https://getcomics.info/other-comics/battle-chasers-1-9-anthol...
As far as Marvel and DC goes, I used to be a complete nut, collecting all major series, spin offs and specials, so that would be too many too mention, so I'd better not go there unless you'd want your hard drive crammed full of series in no time...
The best advice I can give you is what @MarcelRguez has already said: pick a character you like or (you feel you) are interested in, and just look up some of the bigger stories, and then go from there, either following certain artists or stick with a character/group of characters.
On GetComics you can either browse by publisher, so Marvel, DC or others, or you can simply type in the name of a character you wish to check out by using the search function in the top right on the front page.
Besides all the Marvel and DC series I followed, two of my other all time favorite publishers were Image Comics and Chaos Comics. Image Comics still exists, but Chaos Comics went out of business at the end of 2002 and all of their series were taken over/continued under the wing of Dynamite Comics. (with the exception of main series Lady Death, which was reborn under the Boundless Comics label)
It is a brilliant package if you're into the kind of comics that are a bit darker/visceral in tone, as opposed to the in comparison rather squeaky clean Marvel characters, and even those of the somewhat darker DC label. Some of my favorites with Chaos Comics are main series Lady Death, and all its spin offs, such as Evil Ernie, Purgatori and Chastity. And if you like Lady Death, then you might also like to know that this series was popular enough back in the day, that Chaos Comics was able to make an animated movie from the first story arch.
Moving on to Image Comics, I can recommend four series (besides the Battle Chasers mini series, which is also published under the Image Comics label), namely Gen13, Witchblade, The Darkness and The Tenth.
And then there are certain "must-reads (depending on personal taste, obviously) in the comics genre, and they come in all kinds of styles and sizes, such as in (mini) series or so-called graphic novels:
From DC Comics, those would be: Kingdom Come, Batman: The Killing Joke, Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, Crisis on Infinite Earths, Batman: Year One, Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth, The Man of Steel, Superman: Red Son, Superman Annuals 1 & 2, The Death of Superman, JLA: Year One, Justice League: Earth 2, JLA: Tower of Babel, The Sandman, Green Lantern/Green Arrow, The Flash: Flashpoint, Identity Crisis, Jack Kirby's New Gods, Watchmen, The Invisibles, Powers.
And from Marvel: Marvels, The Life and Death of Captain Marvel, Born Again, Planet Hulk, X-Men: Days of Future Past, X-Men: God Loves Man Kills, The Punisher: Welcome Back, Frank, Silver Surfer: Parable, Fantastic Four: 1234, Wolverine Graphic Novel, Spider-Man: Kraven's Last Hunt, Truth: Red, White & Black, Frank Millers Daredevil Volumes 1 – 3, Daredevil: Born Again, Secret Wars.
Well, seems that even though I didn't go into detail concerning ALL of my favorite Marvel and DC series and characters, I still managed to create quite the wall of text for you to plow through, so hope you didn't mind and thanks for reading it all if you did...
Hope that all of it kind of helps you on your way. The comics scene and its myriad of series can be a bit overwhelming if you don't know where to start, but the classics are always a good way to begin with any character or group, and then you can go from there with whatever you find interesting, so just try various series, and weed out what you don't like or what doesn't manage to hold your interest, and you should end up with a short list of favorites of your own.
Good luck, and if you have any other questions, feel free to reply to this comment.
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@subpopz It's a case-by-case thing, I believe. Using your example, for Venom in particular you'd have to start reading from the Secret Wars event, since that's where the symbiote appears from the first time, and then read the black suit Spider-Man arc (#252 to #299) to get the full build-up. Or, since I'm assuming you've seen his origin story in some other media, you could jump straight to #300 for Eddie Brock's formal appearance as Venom and read the issues that conform that story. Whatever you want to do, really, since Secret Wars is a classic story and an actually recommended crossover event.
As @ThanosReXXX mentioned, mini-series are great too, I'm a big fan of the format. They're useful for trying out characters you might not know much about, since they usually are comprised of a small number of issues (6-20, usually) and cover a single story from beginning to end. Sometimes they serve to flesh out a character, sometimes they set up larger plot points that will influence other series, and sometimes a story arc on an ongoing series gets compiled and republished as if it was conceived as a mini-series because it's good or popular. Those are usually good entry points as well, and characters that are Venom-tier in popularity usually have a couple under their belts.
@subpopz I agree with @MarcelRguez in that Secret Wars is the origin story of Venom, so you should probably check that out if you want to know all the ins and outs, but if it isn't THAT important to you, you could always go to the Official Marvel Comics database and read up on his (and any other character or group's) entire story there.
And they also link to all the comics/stories that a specific character/group appears in, so if you actually DO want to read them, that's a handy guide to get the what's what of the chronological order of the relevant stories.
The database can be found here: http://marvel.com/universe/Main_Page And under 'characters' (in the black bar at the top of the page) you can find the ones you're interested in,
EDIT: Scratch that, just use the "Search the Marvel Universe" box on the right underneath the red Marvel Universe Wiki bar...
In any case, the info found there will save you from having to read at least two seasons worth of Spiderman comics to catch up on Venom's entire story, and it's a pretty decent short cut to make sense of all things Marvel...
On a side note: if you're interested in Venom, you might also want to check out Carnage, and the Spiderman series Ultimate Carnage.
Finished up vol. 1 of Rick & Morty, and it was really hilarious (I was planning on reading it over the course of a week or so, but I was so hooked I binged it in two days, lol. Not sure how often I'll purchase a comic, but it's definitely something I'll be doing more of in the future based on this experience.
@Anti-Matter, yes, manga counts as well (though we also have a more dedicated manga/anime thread too). I was a big fan of Dragon Ball, History's Strongest Desciple Kenichi, InuYasha, Ranma 1/2, and Rurouni Kenshin in the past (through dubious methods...)
@ThanosReXXX, thanks, I may look into it? I assume it's mobile friendly (does it have an app)? When it comes to superheroes I'd probably start out with Superman, the Flash, Spider-Man, or Captain America.
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@ThanosReXXX I'm 99% certain that the original publishers aren't seeing a dime from GetComics. Or the other two or three you linked. One of them is just the comics version of a scanlated manga reader I used to visit. Just saying, last I checked, the "no promoting piracy" rule applies to more than just games...especially if hyperlinks are involved...
Not that those publishers make it easy. Why can't I buy comics through the Comixology app? Because they aren't allowed to. The publishers want you to buy stuff through their own apps, where they can charge a premium and ensure that their stuff isn't sharing the same digital shelf space as their direct competitors. Mind you, ComicsPlus is more my speed, with less of an emphasis on the industry titans, but their app is kinda crap on my 3rd gen iPad, at least when I last used it. As you said, reading digital comics feels best on a tablet.
...I also see there's something called ComicsFix on...what is that? A Kindle Fire? Anyone ever use or even heard of that? I'm genuinely curious now...
@CanisWolfred GetComics offers archives of comics that aren't available anymore, or VERY hard to get a hold of, and most scans or of very high quality, all done in the CBR or CBZ format.
While I was making all these comments, I've actually looked into the archives in the DC and Marvel web shops, and they weren't even half as complete as the GetComics archive. And don't even get me started on finding stuff from the smaller publishers...
And if they were so illegal, they would have been taken down a long time ago. They've already been around for over a decade, so it's not like they are invisible or hiding out in some dark corner of the web.
And in general, they don't offer the latest of the latest, so it's truly meant as an archive for older and at the most last season's series.
And the online reader sites, from which you can't download, are probably just as legal as crunchy roll is for streaming anime... All sites that are also highly visible and known, so they should have been eradicated long ago if it was all so against the rules. That is also the reason that I don't feel I should have any reservations in mentioning them, and I don't.
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@CanisWolfred GetComics offers archives of comics that aren't available anymore, or VERY hard to get a hold of, and most scans or of very high quality, all done in the CBR or CBZ format.
1) It's still piracy. I'm just saying...let's not attract the attention of the mods too early, eh?
2) They also have brand new stuff that was just released on the shelf, like Venom (2018) #1. It was featured on the front page, it came out just yesterday! I could literally walk into any of the nearest comic book shops in my city and buy this off the shelf. I got a doctor's appointment I have to leave for in 15 minutes, I could even prove it to you. This site don't give a damn about providing people with old comics no one has access to. It's just yet another piracy site that's begging people for money while hosting stuff they don't own, ripped by other people who honestly, probably aren't happy that their ad revenue is being co-opted by another 15 other websites. Or maybe they don't care. You can check their about page, they even list a few places they get their stuff from.
TL;DR - You can't justify piracy. You can condone it, you can put up with it, accept it, own up to it - heck, you can even have your cake and eat it, too, knowing that you're saving yourself money by getting comics that you didn't have to pay a dime for. Again, the publishers need to get their **** together and work on improving availability through the digital medium, and finding more ways to get new readers into their stories, universes, products - seriously, these guys don't even feel like sensible businessmen at times...
But with that said, it doesn't really sit well with me that you'd tell a new reader to just pirate comics. Those other legal sources I mentioned do have free comics and previews that are meant to be a jumping-in point for new readers. Maybe not in the case of Venom, unfortunately, but it still seems a bit...callous. Like telling people to go to BitTorrent to check out your favorite electronic band...instead of their own website which hosts free tracks, or SoundCloud, or Spotify, or their official Youtube channel...c'mon, man. Could be a bit more supportive of the things you love.
@CanisWolfred You don't HAVE to sponsor them, it's free, you can donate nothing or even a dollar if you want, so them begging for money is a bit of an over-exaggeration. It's not like they're limiting your access if you don't sponsor them.
And I also don't agree on him not giving a damn: what with the cost and effort involved to keep the archives online and the comparatively little income that he receives from those voluntary donations, it's pretty clear that while arguably not entirely on the up and up, it is largely a labor of love for him.
As for likening it to piracy or BitTorrent: all his contact info is clearly visible, unlike real pirate sites and BitTorrent sites, which are always a bit shady by nature, so that's a big difference to me. And I buy all my music, so no comparison there either. All I want to do is spread the love and share my joy of comics.
And those free comics you mentioned, such as the ones I've checked out on Marvel's site yesterday, are only previews and or 3 page teasers. So free comics is hardly what they are. More like free advertisement for their comics, but nothing worth of the label comic itself. And now that they're part of a larger empire, those kinds of schemes are only going to become more common and intrusive.
Just take a look at what some of Marvel's or DC's graphic novels cost, that's close to extortion: on average between $15 - $25 for a digital comic. For that price, I'd want the real thing, in physical format. Heck, I might even be inclined to pay more for it in physical format, but not for a digital comic, sorry.
Concerning GetComics also posting new comics now: that's something I truly wasn't aware of. I only download old comics from there that I either used to own or simply can't find anywhere else, and I have been visiting this site for quite a few years, and this wasn't the case until fairly recently, so it must have started somewhere in the last 6 - 12 months or so.
As for attracting the mods: no offense, but if people don't use certain terms/triggers that attract said attention, then nothing would be happening whatsoever. And I haven't been mentioning certain labels, so...
Personally, I'm fine with the site, and I'm also fine with downloading old comics from there. Over my lifetime, I've literally spent thousands of dollars on physical comics, and I still own around six boxes full of them, even after having to sell off quite a few of them due to personal hardship.
Not that this is a reason to now download them for free by default, but I just mention that to show that I've done my fair share of supporting them, and getting most of these older comics back is either virtually impossible, or astronomically expensive, so neither of those is a valid option for me.
But fair enough if you don't agree. We all have a right to our own views and opinions. As long as those opposing opinions don't cause any harm to one or the other, I can respect them and I'm perfectly fine with it.
@ThanosReXXX For all that was written there, what I meant by "justifying" was that none of that would hold up in court - they're breaking copyright and distributing works that they don't have the license for. The only reason they haven't been shut down is simply due to the fact that there are too many of them. We've seen that with ROMs, movies, music, etc. - trying to stamp them all out just strengthens their resolve. Mind you, if they were selling these files with individual price points, or some sort of recurring fee, they'd be givin a much greater priority and delt with immediately.
As far as the law is currently concerned, those websites are explicitly infringing copyright. As far as the community rules are concerned, hyperlinking to those sites is explicitly forbidden as per the rules. I was hoping you'd at least take a look at that when I brought it up earlier and correct it yourself before anyone had a chance to report you, dude...
Overall, though...we've had this exact discussion before. You're right, I don't think we're going to agree, especially since you seem to be arguing that it's okay to download from those sites, which is...not wrong? It's a fuzzy area, at least, and I'm nowhere near qualified to argue for or against it. Only other point I was trying to make - which I don't think I made clear at all, but I'll take another crack at it - was the observation that these sites would have less of an audience and less of a community if the big-name comics were made more accessible, both in terms of availability, and in terms of providing easier ways for readers to find and engage with a self-contained story, or at least slow down on the big events with multiple tie-ins and mini-series...I didn't actually buy anything today, that new Venom comic had me 10 kinds of confused...and it was the first issue...
This is why I prefer webcomics instead. It's a lot less professional, but at least I know where to start...
@CanisWolfred Well, we definitely agree on the steps that the big parties need to take to improve things, and we also agree on the whole online comics thing being a bit of a grey area. Personally, I choose to believe, or actually do believe (haven't fully decided yet) that if Marvel wanted big sites like that out of the air tomorrow, then they would be, especially since, like I already mentioned, the people behind them are far more openly visible than any torrent site.
Another thing that I hope we can agree on, is those prices. That they charge $1.95 for new comics still seems reasonably fair to me, but a lot of those prices for the older stuff are ridiculous, and I think I'm not the only one interested in those, so if the audience is big enough (which I think it is), then they should still be able to make a profit off of them if they price them half of what they are now, especially since you don't get an actual comic for that price. Hard copies, assuming people keep them save enough, like any true collector would, last far longer than any digital copy, and the pricing for the digital version should reflect that, imho.
Just out of curiosity: what got you confused about the new Venom comic? Seeing someone other than Eddy Brock being him? That certainly was what confused me when I first looked it up to be able to post about it a couple of comments ago. I never knew the symbiote got handed down...
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
Personally, I choose to believe, or actually do believe (haven't fully decided yet) that if Marvel wanted big sites like that out of the air tomorrow, then they would be, especially since, like I already mentioned, the people behind them are far more openly visible than any torrent site.
Aaaand then what? Someone else takes their place in the rankings. The problem isn't just that there are so many and it'd be time consuming...and probably costly if lawyers get involved, too. I figure that's why they'd prioritize anyone who'd try to directly sell or blatantly profit from it. It's more cut 'n' dry, and so the legal process shouldn't take very long and hopefully not cost the company too much in the end. Ironically having a small-scale donation system could make for a good cover and makes it look like they don't make nearly enough to be a big threat - although, it's more like a bug's camoflage than anything.
Just out of curiosity: what got you confused about the new Venom comic? Seeing someone other than Eddy Brock being him? That certainly was what confused me when I first looked it up to be able to post about it a couple of comments ago. I never knew the symbiote got handed down...
Pretty much. It's also one of those cases where the setup summary left me with more questions than answers.
#1 - Why did SHIELD collapse?
#2 - Venom is an anti-hero now? When did that happen? I mean, am I just not remembering that right? I actually had a few Spider-Man comics growing up, I always remembered him as an antagonist with a perverted sense of justice/self-rightousness. Are they toning that down here? It made it seem like this was a long-time thing.
#3 - Is this supposed to be more tied to the reboots that happened a few years ago? I tried those, too, but it doesn't really seem like it's directly connected...were those even still canon?
(Oh wait, no, it's part of another "Fresh Start" relaunch, so...wait, then why does it still seem to be referencing past major events? Is that also part of the relaunch? How would it be a "fresh start" if that wasn't the case? But then...do I need to read up on those events so I get what's going on? I guess not, but still...they couldn't have gone for a simpler reason for a monster attacking the city, that sets off Venom's new book? Instead it has to involve events that make me feel like I need to read up on some other major event before I can read the book I was ready and willing to spend money on reading???)
#4 - Yes, since when could symbiotes be handed down? I mean...it's an organism of it's own, I guess it can do what it wants, but...
@CanisWolfred Hm... no offense, but it almost seems like you're determined to "cure" my behavior or thought patterns. I'm sorry to tell you that this isn't going to happen, so you'd better save yourself the trouble.
That's why I was focusing on the positive side of it: the things that we actually DO agree on, so that we could end our discussion on a positive note. I detest negativity, in whatever way, shape or form. It brings nothing and only costs energy. So, even though I could give yet another answer, I choose to refrain from addressing your latest points, since it would only further the discussion in which we're never going to see eye to eye anyways, and I'd rather spend my time in a more constructive way.
Again, no offense, but let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Hope you understand.
P.S.
How about that Venom question? I'm still curious...
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@CanisWolfred Hm... no offense, but it almost seems like you're determined to "cure" my behavior or thought patterns. I'm sorry to tell you that this isn't going to happen, so you'd better save yourself the trouble.
That's why I was focusing on the positive side of it: the things that we actually DO agree on, so that we could end our discussion on a positive note. I detest negativity, in whatever way, shape or form. It brings nothing and only costs energy. So, even though I could give yet another answer, I choose to refrain from addressing your latest points, since it would only further the discussion in which we're never going to see eye to eye anyways, and I'd rather spend my time in a more constructive way.
Again, no offense, but let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Hope you understand.
P.S.
How about that Venom question? I'm still curious...
To be fair, I meant to include that and my previous post in my first post...having to rush out a post so I can get to an appointment always throws me off. I'm not trying to cure you of anything. Except naivity, perhaps. If you truly believe something will work that I have observed failing in the past for multiple reasons, you bet I'm gonna say something...
Also, reasons are editted into my previous comment. Didn't expect you to reply so fast...
@CanisWolfred Fair enough. And my bad on answering too quick. It happens sometimes...
For what it's worth: I'm not naive. Far from it. I just have my own views and ideas, is all. And even if I don't always agree with others, I still try to respect their views, and I'd hope others would respect mine.
But yeah, the whole Venom thing: guess we both got kind of a surprise when catching up on Venom. I only looked him up because one of the other posters asked about him, and that is how I came to find out that there have now been three iterations, each one a little less criminal. Go, Marvel...
Anyway, no need for you to have to read up on some other major event before you can read the actual book you wanted to buy/read, we've got the official Marvel database for that, to fill in the gaps:
That's how I do it, anyways. I haven't collected any physical comics in over 2 decades and once I started collecting digital ones, I had a LOT of gaps to fill, and knowing Marvel, story lines will typically be spread out across multiple series, which on its own are not always interesting to me, so I wasn't about to buy or even read those, and as such, I'm perfectly fine with just getting a summary of past events in the form of the "here's the story so far" pages in the database...
Whether or not the stories are canon, is anyone's guess. There have been so many reboots both at Marvel and at DC, that I've almost lost count. And don't get me started on alternate universes/Earths...
It's almost like a soap series: people dying, but actually not and people getting relationships with people they aren't supposed to be with or not, and people all of a sudden being evil, but not really, and the other way around... Head explodes...
As for S.H.I.E.L.D. collapsing: wasn't that kind of old news? It's clearly detailed in the Cinematic Universe and in the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. series, so I guess I supposed that either the comics were the source of that, or that the comics were adapted to be canon with that.
All this talk about Venom did make me wonder who he's going to be in the upcoming movie, and how they are going to change the origin story, since the Cinematic Universe didn't do the Secret Wars, and time is too short for them to add another Spider-man movie in between, so the story is going to be VERY different altogether.
Kinda disappointing, to be honest, because it was a great story line, but I've learned long ago to just enjoy and accept the Marvel movies for what they are and not criticize them too much because they aren't following the actual story lines to the letter.
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