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Topic: GameCube or Wii U - Please Help Me Choose!

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NatetheGreat

Oh also, where is the cheapest place (whether it be ebay or amazon, etc) to purchase GC or Wii/Wii U games?

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Yellowtails

I will say that if you are primarily only going to play original Wii games, than you are better off getting the original Wii. Same goes for the GameCube.

As for the games you've mentioned, the GameCube Mario Parties are definitely better than 9 and especially 10. The other games are more debatable whether which one is better.

Amazon is a decent site for GameCube games and Wii games. (Even GameStop in some cases). Of course there are other means of getting and playing old Gamecube games that others have mentioned already if you want to do that.

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NatetheGreat

Hmmm didn't consider just getting a Wii... Wii plays GC games right? Most of the games I want are for the Wii. But see then I'll be missing out on Pikmin 3, Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros and all the newer versions of game series. I'll also be missing out on the virtual console. Ugh haha. If i was to get a Wii U, would I need just the console or the handheld screen thing too? So refurbished Wii's are quite cheap. Could probably just go with that, play the GC games AND Wii games I want for now, and then upgrade to a Wii U once I get bored and more games come out! What's the difference between the regular Wii and the Wii New Motion Plus?

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I was thinking though, I dont need a Wii to play GC games when I already have a GC, so I might as well just go with a Wii U to play Wii and Wii U games and I will still get the GC games I want. Instead of choosing one or another.

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Octane

@NatetheGreat: The GamePad (''the handheld screen thing'') is the controller. It's just like any other controller, but it has a touch-screen. It is required to use the Wii U, although not every game requires it, some games also support the Wii U Pro Controller. Every Wii U comes with a GamePad, as it's the default controller, so there's no option of getting a Wii U without one.

The Wii is the console itself, Motion Plus is was an expansion of the Wii Remote (Wii controller) released in 2009, see this image:
http://s4.thcdn.com/productimg/0/600/600/87/10042987-13097821...

Later, in 2010, Nintendo included all their Wii Remote with the new Motion Plus technology. Again see the image below:
https://www.wiigamesinfo.nl/images/detailed/0/Afstandsbedieni...

There are a handful of games that require the Motion Plus technology; The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword is an example. However, most Wii games can be played using any Wii Remote. (although the old Wii Remotes without the Motion Plus tech are pretty difficult to find, most controllers I see in stores are the newer Wii Remote Plus versions).

Also, regarding your first question, not every Wii plays GameCube games, only the early models do. The ''vertical'' models can play GameCube games;
http://cdn.gamer-network.net/2013/usgamer/NGL3---Wii.jpg

The newer horizontal models cannot play GameCube games. The difference is in the orientation of the logo on the front. Here's an example of the newer model; notice the horizontal orientation of the Wii logo;
http://www.platforminc.com/images/n/promo-wii.png

It's complicated; but in short:

  • The GamePad is the default and required controller for the Wii U and comes with the console.
  • Some Wii's play GameCube games, the older models do, the newer models don't. Be sure to check what model you're dealing with if you want backwards compatibility with the GameCube.
  • The Wii Remote Plus is the ''newer'' Wii controller, several games require this new controller and cannot be played with a regular Wii Remote.

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NatetheGreat

Awesome. Can you use a GC controller (or multiple GB controllers) with either of the Wii consoles? And Wii U can play Wii games correct? I've basically made up my mind that I might as well just go with a Wii U since I already have a Gamecube. Should I go with a refurbished one or a Mario Kart 8 bundle?

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NatetheGreat

Oh how is the storage on the Wii U? I see theres an 8gb or 32gb. Does the free space go fast? Can you add space in anyway?

NatetheGreat

gcunit

NatetheGreat wrote:

Oh how is the storage on the Wii U? I see theres an 8gb or 32gb. Does the free space go fast? Can you add space in anyway?

32gb will last you plenty, unless you plan on buying a lot of digital downloads. And yes, you can expand with external storage.

Try monitoring eBay for used models - I bought an almost unused 32gb recently with Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon, plus Minecraft, and a Wii and 3 wii remotes and nunchucks, for £125 recently. Absolute bargain.

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Octane

@NatetheGreat: Yeah, the Wii U can play Wii games. Be sure to get a Wii Remote though, you need a Wii controller to play Wii games on your Wii U. You cannot use the Wii U GamePad or Pro Controller.

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NatetheGreat

@gcunit: Holy moly yeah I'd say ABSOLUTE BARGAIN! I will keep my eyes open.

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NatetheGreat

What about using GC controllers on the Wii U guys?

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skywake

@NatetheGreat:
I can't comment because I haven't played both versions of all of those games. I never owned a Gamecube so most of my experience of the GC's titles are third party games and games that were ported. However to make a point here is a list of metacritic scores above 90 for GC games you can't play on Wii U:

94 - Madden NFL 2004
93 - Soul Calibur 2
93 - Viewtiful Joe
92 - NFL 2K3
92 - Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
92 - SSX 3
92 - Smash Bros. Melee
92 - Super Mario Sunshine
92 - Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
91 - Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4
91 - Resident Evil
91 - NCAA Football 2003

Now here's the same list for Wii U including Wii BC and obviously excluding remasters:
97 - Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
97 - Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii)
93 - Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii)
93 - Zelda: Skyward Sword (Wii)
93 - Super Mario 3D World
92 - Smash Bros for Wii U
92 - Rayman Legends
92 - Rock Band 2 (Wii)
92 - Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii)
92 - Rayman Origins (Wii)
91 - Bayonetta 2
91 - Metroid Prime Trilogy (Wii, can't play 3 on GC)

Look at those two lists to base your decision on. Which of those two lists has more games you're willing to give a go? And at the same time remember that games do age. What was a 9/10 in 2004 might not still be a 9/10 in 2016. Games like Rock Band and Madden in particular.

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gcunit

NatetheGreat wrote:

What about using GC controllers on the Wii U guys?

Provided you get the Wii U:Gamecube controller adapter, Gamecube controllers can be used with Smash U, and any Gamecube disc image booted from a USB drive or SD card:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=opera&q=nintendont...

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shani

@NatetheGreat: If the decision stands between GC and Wii U, I would definitely recommend the Wii U. Not only is it the more modern console, it has also better games. Not that the GC didn't have good games, but they weren't as good as the Wii U's games. Also, the GC doesn't have a second screen, Netflix, browser, miiverse etc.

NatetheGreat wrote:

Could someone compare each version of these games? GC versions vs Wii/WiiU versions:

Mario Party 6 & 7 vs Mario Party 8-10
Smash Bros Melee vs Smash Bros Wii U
Mario Kart Double Dash vs Mario Kart 8
Pikmin 1 & 2 vs Pikmin 3

1. The only really good MP game is MP8. 9 and 10 weren't as good (characters don't travel alone), while I wouldn't want to play the old ones because a) they don't support wiimotes (minigames are no fun without it) and b) they look terrible.
Also, MP8 has a variant of monopoly with hotels which I like more than the standard mode.
There is no better Mario Party than MP8.
2. Smash Bros U has the most beautiful graphics and DLC characters like Ryu. I always hated Smash before the Wii U entry. And now I know why: With their muddy graphics, the previous versions were just not good enough for me to follow the fast-paced action on the screen.
There is no better Smash than the Wii U entry.
3. Double Dash is one of my favourite entries in the series, but MK8 beats every version (except maybe for the first MK on SNES, but only because it was harder) by a long shot.
There is no better MK than the Wii U entry.
4. I haven't played Pikmin 1 & 2 but I assume they're terrible to play without Wiimote Scratch that, just saw that there are Wii remakes of Pikmin 1 & 2 (under the 'New Play Control!' brand). But I really wouldn't and couldn't play Pikmin without the Wiimote. For these kind of games, you need either a mouse or another pointer-based controlling option. Using the sticks on the GC controllers would be a pain in the *** and take much longer.

NatetheGreat wrote:

Awesome. Can you use a GC controller (or multiple GB controllers) with either of the Wii consoles? And Wii U can play Wii games correct? I've basically made up my mind that I might as well just go with a Wii U since I already have a Gamecube. Should I go with a refurbished one or a Mario Kart 8 bundle?

The older Wii's have a port for 4 GC controllers, but the newer ones got rid of that.
But yeah, I would also encourage you to get the Wii U as it has more to offer. You can play all the Wii games on it, upscaled to 1080p. But the Wii U library is so good that I stopped playing Wii games on it. When I had bought the console almost two years ago, I was still playing a lot of Wii games in the first months. Not anymore.

Yellowkoopa wrote:

I will say that if you are primarily only going to play original Wii games, than you are better off getting the original Wii.

The Wii U upscales the games to 1080p, the Wii doesn't...

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skywake wrote:

The Wii U library of games is better IMO. And even the people who would argue otherwise would struggle to argue that the Gamecube Library is better than the Wii U + Wii libraries combined.

You're joking, right? The GC library of games is vastly better than the Wii U library.
Does the Wii U has Animal Crossing that isn't a party game? No. Does it have Mario Party games that allows the characters to be separate than together? No. Does it have a full 3D Mario game that allows the player to skip main objectives for secret objectives, with a moveable camera? No. Does have good Metroid games? No. Does it have Melee? Well......Melee sucks anyway. Does it have full 3rd party support with EA, Rockstar, Sega and etc? No. Does it have Sonic Boom Wii U? No. Does it Mario kart cast have unique characters that aren't metal or costume clones? No.

Case closed.

Are you joking? Of course the Wii U library is stronger than that of the GC. Name me one game that doesn't have an equal or better equivalent on Wii U. The only ones that come to my mind are F-Zero GX and Eternal Darkness (which I haven't even played).
Mario Sunshine was rather average and looks even worse in comparison to Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 (which can be both played on Wii U) or Mario 64 (also on Wii U).
Wind Waker and Twilight Princess were the two weakest entries in the whole Zelda 3D series and you can play them both on Wii U.
Double Dash was actually great (and I still wish MK8 would get a DD mode DLC) but MK8 still has a lot more to offer.
As for the games you mentioned:
Who wants to play boring Animal Crossing anyway?
Of course the Wii U has a MP game that allows the characters to travel separately: Mario Part 8, the best entry of the series.
Of course the Wii U has a Mario 3D game with a moveable camera: Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, the best 3D mario game ever made.
Of course the Wii U has good Metroid games, Metroid 1-3, bundled for only 20€.
Full 3rd party support... for what? Some outdated games that weren't that good anyway?

Now let me ask you... does the GC have Splatoon? No. Does it have an internet browser? No. Does it have Netflix, Amazon, Youtube and other video services? No. Does it have miiverse? No. Does it have online play? No. Does the GC play Wii games? No. Does it have a second screen with off-tv-play? No. Does the GC have games that use a second screen in an ingenious way, like Affordable Space Adventures for example? No. Does the GC have indie games? No.
I could go on, there are so many great things that the GC doesn't have.
The Wii U is really the most complete console we ever had. The only thing it lacks are GC controller ports and support for GC discs (like the Wii had).

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skywake

shani wrote:

Yellowkoopa wrote:

I will say that if you are primarily only going to play original Wii games, than you are better off getting the original Wii.

The Wii U upscales the games to 1080p, the Wii doesn't...

You're on the right track here but that's not technically how I'd sell it. The games are still rendered at 480p. Really the advantage the Wii U has playing Wii games isn't the resolution. The advantage is that HDMI tends to suck out less colour out of the signal. Unlike Component and especially Composite.

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Yellowtails

@shani I think you're giving the Wii U a bit too much credit there. Sure the Wii U can play the Wii games that the Wii U lacks, but I think it's better to look at what new games the Wii U brought to the table when comparing the GameCube and Wii library to the Wii U's

Yellowtails

gcunit

@Yellowkoopa: What new games it brought is irrelevant. @shani has made a good job of laying out that the Wii U is the better choice, based on his/her opinion that the Wii/WiiU versions of those games are superior to the GC versions. If you buy into the opinions expressed about those games, then the Wii U is the sensible place to put the money - originality counts for jack at this stage. Plus the gamepad.

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Yellowtails

@gcunit: I'm not saying that the Wii U doesn't have its advantages like @shani pointed out. I'm just saying that he's using the original Wii games as Wii U games to make the library look better than the GameCube.

Anyway, if the Wii U games and backwards compatibility interests you enough, then go ahead and get the Wii U.

Yellowtails

gcunit

Yellowkoopa wrote:

he's using the original Wii games as Wii U games to make the library look better than the GameCube.

@Yellowkoopa Which is exactly appropriate in this thread, because the GC can't claim Wii titles as part of its library, whereas the Wii U can.

This is not a 'which was the best console/library' thread, it's about which one is the smartest buy at this point in time - a console that (with a little tinkering) can play 3 generations of games, or a console that can play just the earliest of those generations?

As someone who's never played a Mario Party game, I constantly see people saying one of the earlier titles was the best because MP8/9/10 did this or dropped that, so I'm also interested in shani's opinion that MP8 is the best choice of the MP series - so many others seem to say it's the worst.

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