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Agriculture

This has been debated for a few years now. Here is an example of a good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGrIR_jlLno

When I grew up Killer Instinct, Mortal Kombat, Tekken, etc, was all the rage and what people played. FPS wasn't a thing yet, at least not on consoles. It made sense, because you wanted a competitive game that could run well and not have to split an already tiny screen.

Anyhow, we're all Nintendo fans here, and most of us discovered Super Smash Bros, which unlike all other 2D fighting games still enjoy mainstream appeal.

I starting to think about why and have this theory; Super Smash Bros is more logical than say Dead or Alive. In Smash you have a stick for movement, a jump button and an attack button. With just that basic knowledge a person can enjoy Smash. Obviously the game(s) are more complex than that, but you can play it by running, jumping and pressing the attack button when you estimate you are close enough. In a game like Dead or Alive, you never know the range and time to execute a given kick, if an enemy can reach you and so on. You can't run away from the enemy and you can't jump to a safe spot. You can never be certain of anything until you know everything about the game.

So, I don't think the brilliance of Smash is the whole "smashing opponent of the screen", I think the true brilliance is that you can jump Nintendo-heights with your character which makes the game control more like a plattform game.

What do y'all everybody think?

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Anti-Matter

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Some peoples still stick on Traditional Fighting games such as Street Fighter or Tekken, because they are easy to play, suitable for quick burst time.

Meanwhile, i have interest with K-1 games on PS2. It is a Kickboxing games, Traditional Sport games that unfortunately very few peoples have interest about that game, but nevermind. I can play K-1 games all day long because i have that games this month and i'm ready to Re-Play PS2 games again after Long Hiatus for 3 years.

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Dizzy_Boy

I think that some fighting games are doing themselves harm by having long lists ofspecial/combo moves. Unless you're into fighting games, there really isn't that many people willing to put in the time to be good enough for the competitive scene.

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I didn't exist in the time of mortal kombat, the early street fighter or tekken games or anything like that. I don't even play that many games with other people. But I guess I can give my opinion

I'm guessing that because online games and eSports have become a thing more games are geared towards that. Because of this your big games are Overwatch, CoD, those kinds of games that allow you to work as a team, more like a traditional sport. Fighting games are usually one player against another and I'm guessing that smaller amount of competitors and lack of teamwork makes things less interesting to some people.

Fighting games, especially 2D ones, don't really have major changes between each title or other series apart from a few mechanics. This is fine to me because it's a genre that's been refined down to almost an art for years, but the general public always want something big and different instead.

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iLikeUrAttitude

Imo fighting games are hard to get into, with an exception of smash. If you're willing to memorize all those combos and put in all that time and effort for competitive play then I give you props. I would usually play fighting games only for a period of minutes at a time, with my largest sessions being an hour, the only other times I would surpass the usually hour would be when I'm playing with friends. Besides that the game would be collecting dust.

Smash however was much easier for me to get into. I enjoyed watching competitive matches unlike the usual fighting games. I think the reason people love smash so much is because it was originally made as a casual game, it was us fans that brought out the competitive side; an excellent example being melee, I mean for God's sake that game is over a decade old and is still played competitively to this day and you still see it's elitist in every smash video.
Smash is the perfect example of a "easy to play hard to master" concept of fighting games. It is the most genre defining game Nintendo has.

The way fighting games are continuing, it seems like there pushing out even more casual players and only hardcore fans seem to support them in the long run.

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The Street Fighter competitive circuit is huge. I think fighting games still have more mass appeal than what you are giving them credit for.

I'm still personally holding out for a new Virtua Fighter. It is the king of hardcore fighters.

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I have very Own Idea about Very Unique Fighting games.
Basically, this game will be like Anthro Avian guys + Kick Boxing + Dragon Ball like Battle (Fighting in the Air and Ground) + Street Fighter .
I have this idea inside my brain after i have played from Street Fighter Alpha series , Street Fighter III , K-1 World GP and ever watched Dragon Ball Battles in the Air.
Well, i still haven't draw yet but maybe i can reveal it once i have drawn.

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iLikeUrAttitude

@RancidVomit86 Well sales wise Street Fighter V is abysmal, especially compared to its other entries.
Those are probably just the fans supporting the competitive scene.
An example would be the Melee competitive scene. Most of the players moved on to the new entries in the series but the hardcore fanbase stayed and still supports the game even to this day.

Smash has an advantage compared to other fighting games because it attracts both casual and competitive players.

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Oat

Part of it is down to accessibility. Fighting games are hard and will always be. Games with a lower skill floor tend to sell better (ie smash bros). In addition I think it also has to do with community. Fighting games were huge in the 90s because arcades were huge. Everyone gathered in one place in order to play these games and share their experiences. In addition home consoles gradually took away the need for arcades and fighting games became less popular as they werent bringing in as much money. As less fighting games were being made, the genre's popularity began to wane. It had that post sf iv revival back in 09 but even now, fighting games are dwarfed in size by mobas and other games. I think the combination of costing money, having a high skill barrier to entry, as well as the fact that mechanics can completely change between games limit fighting games mainstream appeal when compared to mobas ( ie free to play, consistent rules, rarely mass overhauls that fundamentally change how the game is played).

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Oat wrote:

Part of it is down to accessibility. Fighting games are hard and will always be. Games with a lower skill floor tend to sell better (ie smash bros). In addition I think it also has to do with community. Fighting games were huge in the 90s because arcades were huge. Everyone gathered in one place in order to play these games and share their experiences. In addition home consoles gradually took away the need for arcades and fighting games became less popular as they werent bringing in as much money. As less fighting games were being made, the genre's popularity began to wane. It had that post sf iv revival back in 09 but even now, fighting games are dwarfed in size by mobas and other games. I think the combination of costing money, having a high skill barrier to entry, as well as the fact that mechanics can completely change between games limit fighting games mainstream appeal when compared to mobas ( ie free to play, consistent rules, rarely mass overhauls that fundamentally change how the game is played).

I think you are Right.
Because nowadays, peoples have LESS Interest with kind of games like that, especially on Arcade.
Not just only Fighting genre like Street Fighter or Tekken, but also Rhythm Arcade games such as Dance Dance Revolution, MaiMai, Jubeat, Gitadora, Taiko no Tatsujin, etc.
I can tell that most peoples nowadays are AFRAID or Too Shy or Too Cool to play such games like that due to Lack of Knowledge of that games / Very Casual or Non Gamer will Definetely Refuse to get into that games due to Afraid of being Lose or Afraid of other peoples will watch on them and could embarrased the Non gamers. Even Encouragement to try harder or to try again will NEVER encourage Non Gamer to try again better.

If there are some peoples still keep going with those games, probably they are a Fans or Hardcore players that really addicted in Extreme level. Because of that, the Casual or Non Gamers will think those games are Really Extreme Difficult to play and Discourage them to try the Easiest level due to Negative impression after watching someone able to play that games in Extreme difficulty. Basically, if they see people play Difficult games, they think that games will be difficult to play before even trying. Those mentality are really really Serious Sick, that's why there are TONS of Mobile gamers that Mostly are Non Gamers that Couldn't play video games, choosing Mobile games as their choices because they don't want play a little bit complex games that requires some deep thinking and logic. They are Too Lazy to try hard. By doing so, they can claimed their status as a Gamer even without playing kind of Arcade games or Video game consoles with Complex and Better gameplay.

Kudos to us that was born with Enthusiasm about Arcade video games or Console video games that can appreciate the Complexity behind Fighting games like Street Fighter or Tekken or any kind of games like that. So, better for us that have Video Gaming mindset, try to help the Non Gamers to get interested in Kind of games like we are discussing about here. Because, before we are get into the games, we were a bunch of Newbie players with No Knowledge about video games at all.

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Fighting games are my favorite type of games; they're easily what I spend most of my time with. I was a big fan of SFII and Mortal Kombat when they emerged. Nowadays I'm mostly preoccupied with EA UFC 2 on my One X, and ARMS on my Switch (I also play a lot of the Neo Geo fighters; just beat Last Blade). I think ARMS is one of the best and most unique fighting games ever made and the best Switch exclusive.

Also really love Injustice 2 and spent a ton of time with Mortal Kombat X. Killer Instinct I am not a fan of, too much of a button masher, so I recently deleted it. Didn't like Street Fighter V either, I thought it sucked and deleted that one awhile ago. Smash Bros is cool, I invested over 500 hours into the Wii U and 3DS versions, but it's not my favorite fighting game; if it wasn't for the all-star lineup I probably wouldn't play it.

My favorite fighting series of all time is Neo Geo's Samurai Shodown.

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kkslider5552000

Considering Tekken is still selling well, of all series, I'm not sure fighting games are not mainstream? I mean, Street Fighter screwed up royally with V, but Smash Bros was massively successful despite Wii U's failing sales and Mortal Kombat X was still selling great. Injustice 2 I think was a big hit too.

I mean, maybe fighting games below that are a bit more niche, but the mainstream fighting series are generally still pretty popular.

Though I'm not super into them, for mostly the reasons already stated. Smash Bros. is more my type of fighting game, both for casual and hardcore playing.

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In my experience fighting games are still very popular, just usually on Sony or Microsoft platforms or in Arcades in Japan. I am not sure any part of gaming is really mainstream however. Gaming as a whole is still looked down upon and seen by outsiders as a waste of time or a nerdy/geek/loser hobby.

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607jf

in my case you guys are right.

so to start off i don't like complex fighting games, just smash like most people, thats not to say they are bad. if you enjoy a complex fighting game good on you it's just not my cup of tea. i think games should be fun, unlike the majority of people my age who play games to show off i really only play games that i find to be fun. that being said playing DDR with my fingers isn't my idea of fun, it's the same thing as pokemon and smash you can get complex. but you can also forget types, hitboxes, combos, ect and just have fun. that is also why i mostly buy nintendo, they do both while sony and microsoft are only focused on hardcore games.

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@607jf
"that being said playing DDR with my fingers isn't my idea of fun, it's the same thing as pokemon and smash you can get complex. but you can also forget types, hitboxes, combos, ect and just have fun. that is also why i mostly buy nintendo, they do both while sony and microsoft are only focused on hardcore games."

Ooh...
You know what ?
There is a Very Damn Hard song from Dance Dance Revolution II Wii.
Nintendo machines are also have some Hardcore level Rhythm games like that.

Games on Sony or Microsoft are NOT always for Hardcore players. There are some Kids games on multi consoles that very easy and still fun.
One of example is this game.

Btw, i did ever played my Home consoles DDR with Analog Stick and obtained AA Grade for Almost All songs on Expert Difficulty. And one more thing, i moved my legs, followed the arrows while i was playing DDR Home consoles , sitting on the couch. My legs were still moving while my both fingers keep pressing the buttons.

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607jf

@Anti-Matter i didn't mean nintendo dosen't do hard games they do both and microsoft and sony MOSTLY do like hardcore shooter and uh, hardcore shooter tho sometimes i wish i could buy a ps4 for some games. (KH3) anyways like i said thats just how i feel.

Anti-Matter wrote:

Btw, i did ever played my Home consoles DDR with Analog Stick and obtained AA Grade for Almost All songs on Expert Difficulty. And one more thing, i moved my legs, followed the arrows while i was playing DDR Home consoles , sitting on the couch. My legs were still moving while my both fingers keep pressing the buttons.

lol Sometimes in raceing games i lean when i turn and just laugh at myself after. XD

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