You are ignorant because you think "no gun control=more violence". Many of the laws the US has in place in order to restrict gun owners make it impossible for criminals to obtain a gun legally. Guns are fun to shoot, and the fact is that people who are going to use guns to commit crimes aren't going to go about it legally anyway. Check out this site for common "myths" about gun control (particularly #3)
You are ignorant because you think "no gun control=more violence". Many of the laws the US has in place in order to restrict gun owners make it impossible for criminals to obtain a gun legally. Guns are fun to shoot, and the fact is that people who are going to use guns to commit crimes aren't going to go about it legally anyway. Check out this site for common "myths" about gun control (particularly #3)
@Gunlovers: Wow, are you seriously trying to convince us, that guns are good? I hope not, for your sake.
Suggesting your gun laws are a sufficient obstacle, to a criminal in search of a gun, is very naive. Gun crime in the UK is low, because there aren't that many in circulation, where as in America they are literally everywhere, which means a higher percentage leak through to the black-market.
Defend it if you want, but I don't know how you can.
@Gunlovers: Wow, are you seriously trying to convince us, that guns are good? I hope not, for your sake.
Suggesting your gun laws are a sufficient obstacle, to a criminal in search of a gun, is very naive. Gun crime in the UK is low, because there aren't that many in circulation, where as in America they are literally everywhere, which means a higher percentage leak through to the black-market.
Defend it if you want, but I don't know how you can.
I don't recall trying to convince you that guns are "good", but I don't follow the line of thinking that guns are in and of themselves evil, either. Also, I do think you have a bit of a mistaken perception if you think guns are literally everywhere in America.
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
I'm a pacifist! I wouldn't buy a gun even if it was legal.
I can understand how you can feel safe if you have a gun. What I do not get is what makes someone feel safe in a country were every idiot can buy a gun at their local Wal-Mart.
The western countries with the highest murder rates are always those with liberal gun laws like Finland, US and Canada. And it's always those countries where those massacres happen.
Many of those the gun-loving conservatives in the US think the liberal softdrug laws in my country are horrible. To those people I always say that I'd rather live country with a few stoners who are harmless and relaxed because they are high on pot than a country were every idiot can get a gun and go crazy with it.
"Gunlovers?" Guys what, is that like a new Pizza Hut variety or something? I don't know from loving guns, but I expect here in the US for the Government to respect the rights of the People, until such time that said People willingly relinquish those rights. And legal, responsible gun ownership is among them.
At least 90% is against this so-called "right" in my country so i don't see that's the problem here. I just think guns are not the right way. There is not much of a problem if almost nobody carries a gun. Sure, you wish you had one if you got beat up by three thugs, but judging from the murder-rate statistics, its at least safer to have strict laws on who can carry guns.
Off course the military and the police should have guns, and shooting clubs is no big deal either, although they should have guns owned by the clubs themselves and not individually.
Off course the military and the police should have guns, and shooting clubs is no big deal either, although they should have guns owned by the clubs themselves and not individually.
I don't agree with beat cops having guns: you can find enough examples of unnecessary shootings by cops in the States to back that up. Personally if I was living in a country were every cop on the beat had to have a gun I would feel less secure. When I was in Amsterdam I found that a bit disturbing after getting used to Scotland and no-gun-having cops. I also don't see how having a gun makes you feel safe. I had a friend with a gun in his house; the fact that he had this weapon he might need to use to defend himself meant more paranoia about noises in the middle of the night than anything I would call security.
Personally I don't understand it. I never had a use for them myself and I'm very glad to live in a country with next to zero tolerance for them now.
@Sean Aaron Wait, you don't think beat cops should have a gun? The world is a more dangerous place no matter what country you live in than it was years ago. What are they supposed to do if they see a violent crime, blow their whistle and ask them nicely to stop?
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
@Sean Aaron Wait, you don't think beat cops should have a gun? The world is a more dangerous place no matter what country you live in than it was years ago. What are they supposed to do if they see a violent crime, blow their whistle and ask them nicely to stop?
Well, if guns aren't generally available the crims are unlikely to have anything more than a knife and the cops wear stab-proof vests for that. There are specially trained firearms officers to deal with the rare instance where you have a situation requiring an armed response.
Remove guns from general circulation and you remove the need for a fully-armed police force. Works for me. And no, the UK is not a more dangerous place and we don't need gun-toting bobbies, even in London.
@Sean Aaron Wait, you don't think beat cops should have a gun? The world is a more dangerous place no matter what country you live in than it was years ago. What are they supposed to do if they see a violent crime, blow their whistle and ask them nicely to stop?
Well, if guns aren't generally available the crims are unlikely to have anything more than a knife and the cops wear stab-proof vests for that. There are specially trained firearms officers to deal with the rare instance where you have a situation requiring an armed response.
Remove guns from general circulation and you remove the need for a fully-armed police force. Works for me. And no, the UK is not a more dangerous place and we don't need gun-toting bobbies, even in London.
What works in the UK does not make a transferable template for every country, Sean.
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
As a side note, if there's one thing that video games have is that those who live in gun free countries are royally screwed in the case of a zombie outbreak.
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
@ The Fox - I totally agree with Sean Aaron on this one although I feel it is an impossible thing to achieve. Too many people here in the states are against stricter gun control laws.
What works in the UK does not make a transferable template for every country, Sean.
Ban easy ownership of the weapons and restrict their manufacture; gradually remove them from public ownership and you're good to go.
Britain also used to have publicly available handguns and now has extreme restrictions on it. It's certainly possible the same thing can be achieved in the United States; the population just needs to be receptive to it and see that it's not necessary to possess these weapons.
Ban easy ownership of the weapons and restrict their manufacture; gradually remove them from public ownership and you're good to go.
Britain also used to have publicly available handguns and now has extreme restrictions on it. It's certainly possible the same thing can be achieved in the United States; the population just needs to be receptive to it and see that it's not necessary to possess these weapons.
Sounds nice, sure... but it's not happenin'. Too much history, and the passions run deep - particularly in the states between the coasts.
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