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41. Posted:

they used to make 2d animated films, now they don't, the end

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

they used to make 2d animated films, now they don't, the end

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Didn't they release a new 2D Winnie the Pooh in theaters back in 2011? I don't think it did all that well, but I remember seeing commercials for it.

Then there was that Princess and the Frog that came out in 2009, I think.

I haven't seen either, though, and for the most part, I share your sentiments.

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@DestinyMan I suppose you're right. Disney does stray from the source material a lot... except this time it was just disgusting. Sure, Aladdin was a boy in the original story, but he didn't have 360 turn glamour shots. And the icky "Twelve Into Twenty-Something" change isn't the only thing I disliked about the film. Overall: I didn't enjoy the film. Done.

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Disney is a shadow of its former self. Everything people love about them (me included) is what they did in the past; and it seems its going to stay that way.

Nothing they've made lately has interested me at all, except Wreck-It Ralph. Before that it was Atlantis: The Lost Empire, which is the last 2D Disney film I was head-over-heels captivated by. Its kinda sad.

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Disney is a shadow of its former self. Everything people love about them (me included) is what they did in the past; and it seems its going to stay that way.

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I will admit, Disney has done some stuff recently that I'm not particularly fond of (Mickey Mouse Shorts). With that said: Disney is far from "a shadow of its former self" in my opinion. Tangled was awesome, Wreck-It Ralph was awesome, and Frozen is most likely gonna be awesome. They still make excellent movies. And they make some quality TV shows too! Now you may not have mentioned this because you're not a Disney Princess guy (if that's the case, I pity you), but you should really check out Sofia The First. It has serviceable plots, passable TV-CG animation, and they're getting every living Disney Princess actress to come back for one episode for each Princess. And don't get me started on the awesomeness that is Henry Hugglemonster. Overall: They still make good movies and they still make good shows. I think Disney is doing alright for itself at the moment. That might change and those Mickey Mouse shorts may become full-length features, but for now: I wouldn't say it's a shadow.

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I will admit, Disney has done some stuff recently that I'm not particularly fond of (Mickey Mouse Shorts). With that said: Disney is far from "a shadow of its former self" in my opinion. Tangled was awesome, Wreck-It Ralph was awesome, and Frozen is most likely gonna be awesome. They still make excellent movies. And they make some quality TV shows too! Now you may not have mentioned this because you're not a Disney Princess guy (if that's the case, I pity you), but you should really check out Sofia The First. It has serviceable plots, passable TV-CG animation, and they're getting every living Disney Princess actress to come back for one episode for each Princess. And don't get me started on the awesomeness that is Henry Hugglemonster. Overall: They still make good movies and they still make good shows. I think Disney is doing alright for itself at the moment. That might change and those Mickey Mouse shorts may become full-length features, but for now: I wouldn't say it's a shadow.

I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree. I'm no "Disney Princess guy" (but Mulan's the only girl-focused Disney film I can say I've thoroughly enjoyed) so Tangled didn't interest me for obvious reasons, I mentioned I liked Wreck-It Ralph, and Frozen I don't know what to say about it right now. But if the best you can tell me otherwise includes two shows made for toddlers, I really don't go for that. In this day and age of 20-somethings 'enchanted ' by MLP, I'm just not a counter-culture kind of guy.

Also, do you not like the new Mickey Mouse shorts? Those are the glimmer of hope for a modern day, return-to-form for Disney IMO.

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But if the best you can tell me otherwise includes two shows made for toddlers

You have an avatar of Jar Jar Binks. Give the shows a chance before you dismiss them, junior. That's not an insult, it's just my idea of a wake-up call. If Jar Jar (a character made for children) can be an enjoyable character for you, it's not too farfetched to think a show would have the same effect.

Also, do you not like the new Mickey Mouse shorts? Those are the glimmer of hope for a modern day, return-to-form for Disney IMO.

By the way, thanks for the little "IMO". It was sorely missed in your last post. I will admit, it may have just been the episodes I saw ("Stayin' Cool", "Gasp!" and "Panda-monium"), but if it can't convince me of it's quality in three shorts, I don't think it'll ever convince me. Here's the post I made:

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So I watched four of those new Mickey Mouse shorts.

Stupid, annoying, and (sometimes) downright disturbing. This was clearly made with the audience of "Teen Titans Go!" in mind.

So I guess I have a reason to dislike it other than the fact that it fondly looks back on this:
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Though that's still a very valid reason to dislike it.

(Yeah. Mickey sure was mischievous when he swung that cat by the tail.) That's my opinion based on those three shorts. It's sad when Mickey looks genuinely smarter in Clubhouse than he does in those shorts. And would it have killed their budget if they got Bret Iwan? The guy they got is disappointing. In fact, now that I think about it, that's the word I'd use to describe my feelings on the shorts. They're just disappointing to me. And believe me, I take no pleasure in saying that. :(

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Oh, and I saw Atlantis: The Lost Empire today.

Awesome! I liked everything about it and I'm glad I saw it!

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49. Posted:

Who else thinks Mickey games should be Wii U/3DS exclusive? Just look how well EP did on the Wii and how worse it did on its multiplatform sequel. Sega has already admit it their symbolic hedgehog sells best on the Wii U.. Its not by coincidence that retro, classic, characters sells the best on retro, classic Nintendo brand products.

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I think the problem with studios lately is that they are only focusing on CG graphics for the most part. Whenever I see animated movies lately, I don't really like it much like how I use to because movies back then were hand drawn and animated comically. In 3D, everything is animated realistically and textures pretty much look the same thing. And this applies the same for video games. majority of video games are 3d with minor of them being 2d. Atleast Nintendo still makes few games that still feel right in art perspective like Dream Team and Sticker Star but I'm sure that everyone is disappointed about yoshi's new island artstyle.

3D movies in general have this unusual slapstick joke here and there which is starting to be boring. By slapstick I mean in particular scenes where something unusual happens to a character and then there is a slapstick joke to fill it in.

Atleast Adventure time and Regular Show don't disappoint in that regard.

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@2steve While I would love to see more Mickey Mouse games for Nintendo systems, I don't think exclusivity is something Disney would do. Disney's all about inclusiveness and I highly doubt they'd make an exception for video games. I think it's better that Disney (and Mickey) does all platforms.

@Artwark I'm gonna have to agree with you on that one. The realistic CG on cartoony slapstick can get a little jarring... with that said, I still love Tangled. Most likely because I saw it on the tail-end of my childhood.

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@Mickey At this point I feel as though your trying to shove your opinions down my throat.

"Wake up call?" Nevermind the fact we're on a site where most, if not all users still enjoy playing games dismissed by others as being "just for kids." Just because I like one character primarily targeted towards kids, doesn't mean I'm all open arms to everything in that sense.

Yes, Jar Jar was ideally made to appeal to children (for the record I don't like him soley for his comedic antics), but he matured greatly as the prequels went along; as well as the Clone Wars TV show (being a senator rep. and going on diplomatic missions is something kids would totally understand.) He wasn't singing songs, teaching you simple math and spelling, etc. Star Wars as a whole is something that can be enjoyed by everyone. Those shows you mentioned were literally created for toddlers; why else would they be on Disney Junior?

Also about the Mickey Mouse shorts; the biggest reason they're great is because Disney is finally trying to give their icons a modern day show again. In a time where a channel with "Disney" in the title barely shows anything Disney-related. You seem to have a very particular taste in what you want to see Mickey and friends do and act like. For me its a "better than nothing" outlook.

(I don't see any IMOs in your statements BTW.)

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Who are your favorite Disney villains? Here's some of mine.
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As for favorite Disney villains:

  • Maleficent - I haven't even seen Sleeping Beauty, but her plotting evil schemes in the Kingdom Hearts games make her one of my favorites.
  • Scar - The Lion King is probably my favorite animated movie of all time, and Scar was such a great bad guy. Not only was he evil, but he actually succeeded in fulfilling his dark plans, conquering the Pride Lands, and the viewer actually got to see what affect his rule had on the land.
  • Jafar - Alladin is right behind TLK when it comes to animated movies for me, and in addition to being devious, Jafar is a pretty bad dude when he gains the powers of a sorcerer.
  • Hades - While I have seen Hercules, this is another one I associate more with the Kingdom Hearts universe. It's where I first was introduced to his humorous wit, & unlike the movie, he got to unleash his power in combat (and better yet, you were the one fighting him). The movie is still great, though.

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@Austroid Shoving my opinions? I was just stating my opinion. I went ahead and reread that last post and it was just me stating my opinions. Yes, there were no "IMO"s in there, mostly because I don't like abbreviations all that much. I sprinkled "to me"s and "I think"s to make up for it. I'm sorry I looked like I was trying to shove my opinion down your throat, man. I'll try to be friendlier this time.

For one thing: Clone Wars was awesome. It tried it's very best to make sense of the prequels which is a very noble effort and, for what it's worth, it almost succeeded. AND I WON'T DEBATE THE QUALITY OF THE PREQUELS HERE. I personally found each of them to have at least one thing good about them and the franchise is better off because of them. That's all I'm saying about them.

Back to the subject: "singing songs, teaching you simple math and spelling, etc."? Where did that come from? It certainly didn't come from Sofia The First or Henry Hugglemonster. Anyway, they weren't literally created for Toddlers (by the way, George Lucas said that Star Wars was made for kids. But I digress.) they're children's shows like the ones we grew up with! If you mean to tell me that there has never been a cartoon you saw as a child that still connects with you now that you're grown up, I'm sorry. If that's not what you meant, great! Give the shows a chance.

I've never wanted to watch a show about a little girl trying to become a princess,

Actually, she's already a Princess. She's just learning about how to be the best Princess she can be. Wonderful show, but from what you've told me, it's not your type. I respect that, just don't go calling it a show 'literally made for toddlers'. It can appeal to everyone too.

nor a show that teaches kids how not to be afraid of monsters.

It's as much about that as the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is about teaching kids how to not be afraid of Turtles. It's just a show about a monster living his life at the age of 5. It's a goldmine of Voice-Acting talent and I suggest you check it out. At the very least: you'll be able to enjoy it ironically.

The biggest reason they're great is because Disney is finally trying to give their icons a modern day show again, in a time where a channel with Disney in the title barely shows anything Disney-related. You seem to have a very particular taste in what you want to see Mickey and friends do and act like. For me its a "better than nothing" outlook.

You seem to have "a very particular taste" in what you want to see of Disney. So I guess anything past the 00s isn't Disney to you? All of the shows on Disney Channel or any other channel of Disney's are as Disney as Mickey Mouse. But, of course, you meant Disney animation. Specifically 2D, am I correct? Disney has, admittedly, changed a lot, but it is still Disney. But nevermind that, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Just make sure to add your own "IMO"s before remarking about how my own posts lacked them. Oh, and a "modern day show"? Of course. Mickey Mouse Clubhouse isn't a modern day show, it originally aired in the 1940s. And here you are lecturing me about how I have a particular taste in what I want to see Mickey and friends in. A show is a show and Mickey Mouse Clubhouse is a show, no matter how much you dislike it. And clearly you haven't seen the most recent episodes of the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse because they are far from nothing. In fact, they're almost as good as Disney's House of Mouse! (notice I said almost).

I'm sorry I just broke my promise to be friendlier in this post. Seriously, I'm sorry about that. I get carried away too often and I'll do my best to control myself next time.

Overall: I think it's 'better than nothing' because you've blocked everything else out. I think Disney is still good. It may be different, it may even be The Suite Life on Deck, but it's still Disney. This is all my opinion, you may not agree with it and you're entitled to do that. Just stop strolling into the Disney Discussion thread, start yapping about how Disney IS a shadow of it's former self, get a reply which was a bucket of positivity (in my opinion), respectfully disagree, ask my opinion of the Mickey Mouse shorts and act like I'm holding a gun up to your head (EDIT: in retrospect, that was an exaggeration) when I tell you what I think of it. And if my "forcing my opinions down your throat" had to do with me asking you to give two shows a chance, it's getting late and I don't wanna continue this any longer.

You're a good friend of mine, I respect your opinion, and I hope you continue to enjoy those Mickey Mouse shorts.

In my opinion, in my opinion, in my opinion.

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PS: I'm sorry if I seem confused or agitated. I'm not, but I may have come off that way so yeah.

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My favorite Disney villain of all time right now would have to be Judge Doom. :)

PS: I rewatched Who Framed Roger Rabbit! Still awesome!

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So, @Mickey, what are your thoughts on the Kingdom Hearts series?

You seem to be a huge advocate & fan of Disney, but I don't think I've heard your opinion of the series one way or the other.

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@Mickey I'm sorry, but I can't talk to you without imagining someone yelling at my face. I know you're trying not to come off as being that way, but when you state something like I'm lecturing you, and you replay back with a wall of text; Its a little hypocritical.

Lets just call it a truce and agree to disagree.

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@RR529 This may come as a surprise to you, but I've never actually gotten into the series. I've been meaning to for quite a while but I've never gotten around to it. I'll get to it as soon as I've gotten every Disney Infinity character/figure. ;)

@Austroid Well geez, that sucks. You mean in-general? You weren't ver-nevermind. Apology accepted, I agree to the truce and to disagree. And thank you for understanding that I try. I hope that you read the entire post too, despite it being a wall of text. I put a lot of positivity and opinions and "in my opinion"s in it just for you. :) I'll stop before this becomes another wall of text since (from what I can tell but I may be wrong) you don't like those. Hope we have a discussion that doesn't make you think I'm yelling at you! :) :)

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60. Posted:

@Mickey No not in general, just in this topic is all.

I can tell your a passionate fan of all things Disney. We both obviously have different view on what makes something "Disney" to us, it may be that one classic animated film you saw as a kid, or a TV show that started airing.

Bottom line: at least we both like Disney. :)

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