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OptometristLime

kkslider5552000 wrote:

I think Nintendo risking needlessly alienating the kids and family demographic would be the dumbest thing possible.

And yet, we have this:
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Just saying, it seems like Nintendo's whole tack with the Wii U was how it would appeal to the hard core masses.
This was at odds with the "Wii" portion of their branding, obviously.

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SCRAPPER392

@berzerker99
It's also worth mentioning that Nintendo was never able to follow through on many of their plans for GCN, because of poor sales. More games were supposed to be online, and we'd be using Wii remotes on the GCN, instead.

Nintendo was basically like, "Eff this crap", and essentially rebranded the GCN as Wii with the controllers. It does make sense why Nintendo is "behind", considering Sony dominated a market that has changed, since then.

Sony has technically already moved into territory Nintendo never did by releasing the PS4, because Nintendo would have never allowed themselves to lose that much money, then continue down the same path. (Wii to Wii U, does not equal PS3 to PS4, if that makes sense)

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DualWielding

The think is I always saw the PSOne as the true successor of the SNES, the console was more similar in appearance, the controller was familiar while the N64 controller was weird (nintendo lost me as a customer when I took one look at the N64 controller and could not imagine playing street fighter with it) and the PSOne had all third party franchises I loved from the SNES while the N64 didn't (final fantasy, street fighter, mega man) and the first party franchises I did like were ruined for me on the 64 due to changing gameplay to 3d (mario, donkey kong)... Nintendo just lost its way with the N64 (except with the handhelds which have continued a more traditional evolutionary path)... In sum I was a hardcore NES, SNES gamer but have always felt the PSOne, 2 and 3 where the true sucessors of those consoles rather than Nintendo's own consoles...

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NinChocolate

The Wii brand died before Nintendo was ready for it to be dead. Here's to next gen!

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bezerker99

Part II:

So Sony is kicking serious Nintendo tail by 1996 and 97 with the success of the Playstation. Lots of Nintendo-ites are now playing revolutionary games such as Metal Gear Solid and Gran Turismo. And they are loving every minute of it, why should they go back to cart based games???

So what does Nintendo do?

They target a much younger demographic by creating a handheld phenomenon called Pokémon.

Datasun_7

People my age do not see Nintendo as a gaming company any-more. They want games so they play xbox/ps, its actually a rare occurrence to find someone who likes Nintendo at my college. Just shows how much of a semi-mistake the Wii was huh.

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MikeLove

I compare Nintendo today to professional wrestling.

From about 1996-2001 or so, EVERYONE I knew was into wrestling and was watching it all the time My friends, older cousins, uncles, etc. It was something people of all ages were talking about. On any given day in my high school, there would be a dozen kids wearing WWF/ECW/WCW t-shirts. Wrestlers were on talk shows, it was in magazines, it was 'cool'.

Same as Nintendo from the late 80's to late 90's. Everyone played Nintendo and was proud of it.

Then in the early 2000's, wrestling started to get stale, adult fans lost interest, so the WWE began to cater their product more towards younger children. It made them a ton of money, but in doing so, they alienated a huge part of their fanbase and made wrestling 'uncool' again.

Same thing for Nintendo. They lost a lot of their older fans around the time of the N64/GameCube, and since then they have decided to focus on developing titles for younger children and casuals, (or at least not changing with the times) which is 'uncool' to a lot of gamers.

I don't watch much wrestling anymore (will watch old videos but not so interested in current stuff) and I think the same thing has happened to Nintendo. Many of my friends still have fond memories of Nintendo and would play the old games in an instant, but they just don't care/aren't interested in what Nintendo is making today.

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bezerker99

JohnRedcorn wrote:

I compare Nintendo today to professional wrestling.

From about 1996-2001 or so, EVERYONE I knew was into wrestling and was watching it all the time My friends, older cousins, uncles, etc. It was something people of all ages were talking about. On any given day in my high school, there would be a dozen kids wearing WWF/ECW/WCW t-shirts. Wrestlers were on talk shows, it was in magazines, it was 'cool'.

Same as Nintendo from the late 80's to late 90's. Everyone played Nintendo and was proud of it.

Then in the early 2000's, wrestling started to get stale, adult fans lost interest, so the WWE began to cater their product more towards younger children. It made them a ton of money, but in doing so, they alienated a huge part of their fanbase and made wrestling 'uncool' again.

Same thing for Nintendo. They lost a lot of their older fans around the time of the N64/GameCube, and since then they have decided to focus on developing titles for younger children and casuals, (or at least not changing with the times) which is 'uncool' to a lot of gamers.

I don't watch much wrestling anymore (will watch old videos but not so interested in current stuff) and I think the same thing has happened to Nintendo. Many of my friends still have fond memories of Nintendo and would play the old games in an instant, but they just don't care/aren't interested in what Nintendo is making today.

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DualWielding

JohnRedcorn wrote:

I compare Nintendo today to professional wrestling.

From about 1996-2001 or so, EVERYONE I knew was into wrestling and was watching it all the time My friends, older cousins, uncles, etc. It was something people of all ages were talking about. On any given day in my high school, there would be a dozen kids wearing WWF/ECW/WCW t-shirts. Wrestlers were on talk shows, it was in magazines, it was 'cool'.

Same as Nintendo from the late 80's to late 90's. Everyone played Nintendo and was proud of it.

Then in the early 2000's, wrestling started to get stale, adult fans lost interest, so the WWE began to cater their product more towards younger children. It made them a ton of money, but in doing so, they alienated a huge part of their fanbase and made wrestling 'uncool' again.

Same thing for Nintendo. They lost a lot of their older fans around the time of the N64/GameCube, and since then they have decided to focus on developing titles for younger children and casuals, (or at least not changing with the times) which is 'uncool' to a lot of gamers.

I don't watch much wrestling anymore (will watch old videos but not so interested in current stuff) and I think the same thing has happened to Nintendo. Many of my friends still have fond memories of Nintendo and would play the old games in an instant, but they just don't care/aren't interested in what Nintendo is making today.

I totally agree with the comparison and I kinda see Iwata as a sort of Vince McMahone, someone who did great stuff in the past but simply has lost touch with its audience, he is obsessed with finding the next big thing that would make his product mainstream but in the meanwhile lost sight of the importance of keeping the core audience happy and alienates them by pushing bland products ie the Wii Brand is the video game equivalent of John Cena

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MikeLove

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Back in like 1998 one of my email addresses was [email protected] haha!

(oh man, I just googled it and it's linked to an old wrestling tape site I forgot all about!)

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Gamecubed

I've always had a Nintendo console in my house, since I was a toddler, so I'm always looking forward to new Nintendo stuff. But speaking with people in my age bracket (18-24), a lot of them saw the Wii as a bit of a joke. Whenever I say "come on, guys, the Wii had a few good games", they'll laugh it off. A lot of them have Wiis and they ended up collecting dust, so I don't blame them for that. But I do blame them for being lazy and not looking into new games they could try out for the system. A lot them started gaming in this gap of Nintendo not being as competitive with the other guys. I had a Gamecube, but I remember that a lot of my friends in elementary school had a PS2 instead (not so much Xbox. I only had one friend who had one and it was more-so used by her step-dad).

Oh, and @JohnRedcorn has made quite possibly the best comparison ever.

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mamp

@Tasuki
A difference in generation is not Nintendo's problem. Nintendo's inability to keep up with the current generation is Nintendo's problem. If people really want to play all those games you mentioned, then Nintendo should be able to accommodate for them. A business must be adaptable to survive and it must keep up with current trends but Nintendo likes to do their own thing so they reap what they sow. It's not the customers job to please Nintendo it's the other way around.

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spizzamarozzi

I think the market has changed a lot and Nintendo failed to change with it - not because they are dumb, but because they can't afford, financially, to follow the rules dictated by Sony or Microsoft. In comparison, Nintendo is pretty much like a brick and mortar shop, while Sony and Microsoft are huge megastores. Back in the day when Nintendo ruled the videogame market, there was Sega a little else, and all these companies were offering pretty much the same thing - yes the details changed but the core and the potential of what they were offering was more or less the same, hence competition was "fair". Nowdays Microsoft has enough money to price a console "just to break even" and Sony can afford to give away a whole library for the price of one single game per year.

Not to mention that Nintendo has strong ethics when it comes to what kind of content release - other companies would sell anything of any nature in order to make a profit. This doesn't go well with the modern audience who clearly doesn't want to be told what they should like (yet they all like the same things...). Tackling casuals, children and families was a brilliant move, but while it made money and allowed them to outsell other companies, it pigeonholed them into something that is not really attractive to the rest of the market, so much that even casuals or children who wanted to upgrade their machine clearly went with other consoles.

I am not worried for Nintendo because the market, as other companies intend it, is not sustainable anymore. Production costs are becoming too dear, and too many products are of the "make it or break it" variety. As for Nintendo as it is now, I think it was a mistake to release WiiU so soon, without even being prepared to make games for it. I would have kept the Wii alive for another 3 years. Actually, most of what I've played on WiiU (beside HD graphics obviously) could have been made on Wii with small adjustments - they would have sold four times as much.

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shingi_70

kkslider5552000 wrote:

That logic is stupid because Nintendo dominated last generation and thus should have tons of gamers but they threw away their Wii success 3 years ago for no good reason.

Its not stupid most of the people who grew up with the PS1 era like myself are more fond of sony than say Nintendo. I have more Nostalgia for Halo than say Mario at this point. While you could say the same for the Wii U think how long last generation took, the Wii petered out around 09-10 and most of those people moved onto the PS3/360.

Yesterday I sold a Xbox One to a family with a 8 and 14 year old. He wanted it for Titanfall but also becuase he grew up with Halo and Forza.

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dumedum

BinaryFragger wrote:

They’res definitely a difference. Everytime I go by the local GameStop, I see groups of kids at the PS4 and Xbox One demo kiosks while the Wii U kiosk is completely ignored.

My experience is different. There are also tons of used Wii games for sale and people always browse them. Everybody had a Wii, more than the NES or SNES, so I don't think there's any problem in that sense. Nintendo is very much in the mainstream and its games are very anticipated. Its games sold on the Wii more than Sony/Microsoft could ever dream of (NSMB/Mario Kart/Galaxy/Brawl...) There is a problem with the Wii U, hard to transition people from Wii to Wii U, getting the message out, exciting the masses, but that's all completely different.

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shingi_70

dumedum wrote:

BinaryFragger wrote:

They’res definitely a difference. Everytime I go by the local GameStop, I see groups of kids at the PS4 and Xbox One demo kiosks while the Wii U kiosk is completely ignored.

My experience is different. There are also tons of used Wii games for sale and people always browse them. Everybody had a Wii, more than the NES or SNES, so I don't think there's any problem in that sense. Nintendo is very much in the mainstream and its games are very anticipated. Its games sold on the Wii more than Sony/Microsoft could ever dream of (NSMB/Mario Kart/Brawl...) There is a problem with the Wii U, hard to transition people from Wii to Wii U, getting the message out, exciting the masses, but that's all completely different.

Didn't most people transition from the Wii to the other two last gen consoles.

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dumedum

shingi_70 wrote:

dumedum wrote:

BinaryFragger wrote:

They’res definitely a difference. Everytime I go by the local GameStop, I see groups of kids at the PS4 and Xbox One demo kiosks while the Wii U kiosk is completely ignored.

My experience is different. There are also tons of used Wii games for sale and people always browse them. Everybody had a Wii, more than the NES or SNES, so I don't think there's any problem in that sense. Nintendo is very much in the mainstream and its games are very anticipated. Its games sold on the Wii more than Sony/Microsoft could ever dream of (NSMB/Mario Kart/Brawl...) There is a problem with the Wii U, hard to transition people from Wii to Wii U, getting the message out, exciting the masses, but that's all completely different.

Didn't most people transition from the Wii to the other two last gen consoles.

I don't think they did. The numbers don't add up.

WesCash wrote:

I'm not sure if a console that essentially just plays Nintendo games (because let's face it, the WiiU really doesn't have anything else going for it)

Well it also plays the eSHOP which is pretty awesome. There is also the hope that 3rd parties will come back for awesome exclusives like they did with the Wii, if sales improve.

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SCRAPPER392

I still see people buying Nintendo stuff, though. When I went to go buy my Xbox One, basically everyone in the store was buying something Nintendo.
I think people are forgetting that criticism doesn't change what people buy. I'm going to buy a Wii U, even if you think it's stupid.

I couldn't care less whether people think Nintendo is for kids. I was playing Medal of Honor, No More Heroes, RE, etc. on it. If you thought Wii was for kids, you're an idiot, All it didn't have was HD and better graphics, but it still had fun 3rd party games. Tatsunoku vs. Capcom was a "core" game, as well.

That's beside that I had a PS3 and Xbox 360, too.

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shingi_70

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Well I meant most of the child audience. The bigger part of the audience moved onto Mobile or felt the Wii is/was enough.

On the ehsop note I don't think really see why a developer would limit themselves to one system.

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