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Zeldafan79

China be like... The time has come. Execute order 66!

Well I'll be hiding on tatooine until this thing blows over. 😜

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How is your condition today ?

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Zeldafan79

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So far so good. Whatever i had a few weeks ago has subsided and i recently got tested. No symptoms yet. I rarely leave my house unless i need food.

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@Zeldafan79 Good to hear, dood. My uncle should be getting his result back today. Either way, he still has the double pneumonia to deal with.

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NEStalgia

I have to rant again on the food situation. Why are we being forced to go food shopping in stores guaranteed to be among infected people, thus getting the disease while pretending to quarantine? What is the point of quarantines if everybody is congregating in the same place anyway? What purpose does any of this actually serve if it's all pretend? The delivery/pickup systems don't/cant accommodate the surge, and the only resort for most everybody is just shopping in store, or paying ridiculous sums of money for super luxury gourmet food in a box services to dine like a restaurant. Why is everyone sacrificing their livelihoods only to go and put themselves at direct risk several times a week, anyway? Gee, I wonder why it's spreading so fast? Gosh, dunno. Durr. The public shouldn't be allowed in grocery stores at ALL - exactly like they're doing with restaurants where it must be delivered outside the building. Instead it's required that EVERYBODY go in the stores. And of course when you get there, they have nothing so you have to scour every shelf and manhandle every item to find sufficient things.

CDC says to keep 2 weeks of food on hand, stockpile, and avoid trips to the store. Reality, inventory, purchase limits, and unavailability of delivery/pickup services says you need to go into the store with everyone else 3-4 times a week. Has CDC looked outside their DC office at all this month? Do they even know what the general behavior patterns of the public are in terms of spread, or are they looking at dreamy theoretical spreadsheet data based on predicted results?

Without fixing that, the entire lockdown is just pretend to make it look like we're "doing something." We're still crossing paths with everyone else nonstop. People can't go into the restaurants that fit 30 people, that's risky, but hundreds can all pile into the supermarket....that's fine.

CDC should also recommend only breathing once every 4 hours for maximum prevention while they're sticking with realistic recommendations.

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@NEStalgia Where I shop in the UK there are signs everywhere about 'social distancing' and maintaining a 2 metre distance between yourself and others. I was in a smaller grocery shop last week and had to wait while another person moved round an island of products, it gave me an immediate reminder of stealthing through the gardens of Hyrule Castle in Link to the Past.

In my main supermarket, apparently the staff have their temperatures taken every day before beginning work. Which is something at least.

Remember, it's about lowering the curve, trying to eradicate transmission completely is not realistic.

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@gcunit Which is a serious problem I have with it. What curve are we lowering if it's still transmitting in the open? We literally annihilated the entire world economy and devastated, probably, billions of lives for the sole purpose of SLOWING, not excising the problem. We pretty much ended the world, to what, buy a few months and still end up in the same place anyway?

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gcunit

@NEStalgia My own primitive reckoning on it all is that, after initially contemplating riding it out, none of the politicians wanted to be seen to be sacrificing swathes of vulnerable people for the sake of economics, so now it's about trying to manage the load until a vaccine can be produced.

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@gcunit They do realize they can't quarantine a planet and eliminate all employment for 2+ years, right? The death toll from that will make the virus direct death toll look like a rounding error.

If they SERIOUSLY handled the quarantine, such as not sending everyone into grocery stores, they could have made a real, serious dent to that goal. They thought of it for restaurants but didn't think it important for grocery? Or they know they don't have the ability to really do this seriously so it's all for show? There's a difference between "it can't be totally eliminated" and "oh, of course you're all going to the hospital, were just making sure theres a bed for you when you get there.". At that point that initial body count of riding it out starts looking favorable. It can't continue "slowing it down" for years. People eating people is also a vector.

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Heavyarms55

@NEStalgia I understand your issue with the food thing and think it's valid but... what else can they do? How can food be sold or distributed without people congregating? The only thing I could think of would be to deploy the military and police to carry out food deliveries because no other groups would be large and organized enough to do that.

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@Heavyarms55 yes, that's precisely it. We have the national guard for a reason. They do critical personnel tasks for natural disasters, snow storms, etc. Right now the problem is a personnel shortage. They don't have to deliver. It would be optimum, but unnecessary, and the commercial services might still be able to handle that. But what they DO need is to keep people OUT of the store proper. Restaurants, bakeries, best buy, do not allow customers to enter the building. Staff only. Safer that way. Restaurant is by mandate. Grocery, of all things, is 10x worse. Orders should be picked by staff for outside pickup... Just like restaurants and best buy are doing. The problem is insufficient staff. National guard could and should be filling that essential role rather than subjecting grocery store employees to what amounts to front line medical conditions on minimum wage, and forcing the public into that toxic stew.

What were doing right now is pretty much negating most of the benefit of the lockdown by forcing almost the entire population into a large crowded space even more than they used to do before the lockdown. Even in the curve is improving ever do slightly, imagine where it would be weeks into a lockdown if we actually, you know, locked down. It's like reusing a mask from an ER floor.

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Cotillion

@NEStalgia Grocery stores here have a limit on the amount of people allowed inside (which varies, depending on square footage), which is enforced by security at the doors and lines to wait are enforced social distanced (if not it's a $700 fine). So, yes some places did take that into consideration.
As @gcunit said, at this point it's about managing the load. Like, I need you carry these 500 bricks. You can either carry them in manageable amounts, or I just dump all 500 on you at one time and hope for the best. That's pretty much what healthcare systems are dealing with right now.

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@NEStalgia Is it really negating it though? I just read a story that Gov. Cuomo said the rate of spread is flattening in NY. It seems the social distancing is starting to work in New York at least. Of course I think it's too soon to say for sure. And after that monsterous day of April 4th of 35k new cases in the US, the 5th and 6th both were lower at 25k and 30k.

I'd like to believe that all the isolation is at least slowing the spread. If it's not working then 6 million or more people lost their jobs basically for nothing.

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While theoretically social distancing does work, the main problem is the virus can spread to those who don't even show symptoms. So do we REALLY know if the curve is flattening? I don't think it will until May

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My country doesn’t have that many cases yet.

But oh boy, those cases of atypical pneumonia are on the rise. How odd huh.

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I feel like some news people are being a bit cavalier saying the curve is starting to "flatten" in places. Progress is great, but without testing or a vaccine, we've still got to keep isoloating. I'm having doubts kids can even go back to school in the fall (here in the US).

I guess I'm venting because there's still a long road ahead.

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@Cotillion well, Canada got an insanely late start but it sounds like you're at least doing the isolating right unlike us......

Though i can't imagine that working well here. The sheer number if people that pack into these stores in a regular basis is insane, and that's in a place where people eat at least half their meals out..... Now the grocery demand is tripled, and with product limits that means more frequent trips. Queuing like that would mean 9 hour grocery shopping, or worse, waiting 9 hours and not getting in that day. Like 1930s bread lines' evil twin.

@Heavyarms55 If you bail water from the Titanic really fast you'll see measurable progress. You're still going to drown pretty soon though.

Yes, the curves are flattening slightly in most of the worst states. But it's a hollow victory as peak is still 10 - 35 days away depending on where you are in the region. The curve is "flatter" in that cases are doubling every 3 days rather than daily, but that still means every 3 days are twice as many infected. Better than daily, but still a nightmare getting worse and worse rather than better. Just getting worse at a less sharp rate of change.

But that's where my problem comes in with the pretend lockdown. Yes it's "working", but not well if just cutting how many hours it takes to double. Weeks into the lockdown that means all the current cases were infected after the lockdowns. So it's not working very well. Sure essential workers are exposed, but the only common point of community spread that exists, outside the joyriders end essential workers, of which there's plenty, is the grocery stores. If everyone weren't grocery shopping and instead had exterior pickup, I wonder where that curve would be today... Not eliminating that link that still ties everyone to communal space is the critical folly here. And it's an easy one to solve. We can put a man on the moon, we can build space stations, we can print 1k checks to 300m people, and we may or may not be able to producea vaccine against the virus, but we still can't figure out how to gather and bag someone's groceries. Even Bezos suddenly forgets logistics when he can't find minimum wage suckers to walk into a hot zone. No need to nationalize grocery. National guard, peace corps, actual military easily could have been utilized in the homeland to simply bag some orders and walk them outside for a month or two to keep things safe and moving. Considering most spreading, and getting the disease don't even know they have it, imagine how it's spreading in that common environment. The doubling is coming from somewhere while locked down and where else are the bulk of the population sharing space?

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Zeldafan79

You guys want an example of how full on stupid people are getting over this whole mess? I went to a mcdonalds today with my dad and we got yelled at by one of the employees for not standing apart on those X's they put all over the floor. A lady actually shouted at us like we're some six year old! My dad got pretty annoyed by this and told the girl WE LIVE IN THE SAME DAMN HOUSE! I guess he's getting pretty disgusted with all this as am i. Heck on the car ride over there we couldn't possibly have been six feet apart so what good would it do to space ourselves apart in the restaurant?

Anyway we got our food and got the hell outta there but after that i doubt we'll be going back.
Oh and before you say why not stay home and eat well funny thing about that our fridge recently crapped out and we can't buy another one because you know the apocalypse and no stores open and all that.

I noticed something else too. Some restaurants aren't as hardcore about it as others. Pizza hut, Wendy's and even burger king don't have X's or sneeze guards all over but mcdonalds does. Other restaurants won't let you in period not even for takeout. What's up with that? If we're gonna be so paranoid how bout a little consistency? I just want this nonsense to end so we can get back to normal. 😒

Here's a little something i found. Might make you laugh. We could all use a chuckle i figured.

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