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Topic: Complete honestly...is Nintendo washed up?

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skywake

kereke12 wrote:

Ugh I know right, its sad that some people here are to blind to see that Nintendo is run down and washed out like a worn out clothes. Yeah I said it, there run down. I'm a hardcore fan of Nintendo but its the truth, someone needs to say it....So therefore these threads are not a waste of time.

IMO any post that uses any of the following terminology:

  • "people are blind to ___"
  • "its the truth"
  • "someone needs to say it"
  • "these threads are not a waste of time"

Automatically ignored. That person has nothing interesting to say.

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SCRAPPER392

By "washed up", do you mean "fresh"? Meh...

Qwest

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KryptoniteKrunch

No. I believe if Nintendo were "washed up" they wouldn't be making great games anymore, which obviously they still do.

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skywake

Here's a simple measure. Go back and look at some of the games from a decent handful of years ago. See which ones you think would still hold up, which ones deserve a HD remake. Which ones you could do the whole "Wind Waker HD" thing with and get people weak at the knees for. There aren't that many I'd wager.

I'd also add that in terms of that measure? Nintendo was pretty good during the Wii era, more than they were in the GC and N64 eras IMO. The SNES and NES eras are still the benchmark but they have been doing pretty damn well over recent years. We're still in the wake of it but even now it's pretty clear how important a game Super Mario Galaxy was. Or maybe sooner rather than later we'll get a remake of Twilight Princess and the whole whine about how it was "not the Zelda everyone wanted" will fade in the same way that it has for Wind Waker.

And fair enough, it may be the case that in ten years time we're not talking about how great New Super Mario Bros U was. From what I can tell I don't think any of the new consoles have any games of that sort of calibre yet. Mario Kart 8 is close but I doubt that in ten years time we'll still be talking about Watch Dogs or Titanfall. We only get maybe one game a year that we can still talk about with that sort of reverence years down the road. Nintendo has a habit of making quite a few of those "once a year" games.

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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"

sub12

Nintendo was better during the N64 and GCN days IMO, the Wii was somewhat of a low point despite the massive success, too much resources were levied at things like Wii Fit and Wii-suffix games. Outside of Galaxy, a lot of the major franchises were somewhat disappointing compared to their GCN counterparts (Animal Crossing, Smash, Mario Kart Wii)......quantity of first party titles also took a hit in 2008 and 2009.........so really 2007 and 2010 were the only stellar years, but again, I would argue Nintendo was more gamer focused from the mid 1990's to mid 2000's.

Nintendo isn't washed up, but at times, they are out of touch for the worse.

sub12

Socar

I know Nintendo through the naked eye man and right now, they are getting to the point that the modern gaming needs to change and with the Wii U having great games next year and the fact that the 3DS already has a huge ton of great games, No, they aren't "Washed out". Because if they were washed out, I'd never see a new Wario game till next gen!

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skywake

sub12 wrote:

Nintendo was better during the N64 and GCN days IMO, the Wii was somewhat of a low point despite the massive success, too much resources were levied at things like Wii Fit and Wii-suffix games. Outside of Galaxy, a lot of the major franchises were somewhat disappointing compared to their GCN counterparts (Animal Crossing, Smash, Mario Kart Wii)......quantity of first party titles also took a hit in 2008 and 2009.........so really 2007 and 2010 were the only stellar years, but again, I would argue Nintendo was more gamer focused from the mid 1990's to mid 2000's..

For gamers? The GC and Wii eras were about on par for output from Nintendo IMO. Just run down the list for gamer-games and you get to the point where you're asking yourself if New SMB, DKCR and Galaxy were collectively more "innovative" than Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion and Sunshine. But overall they did that AND produced the Wii Sports and Wii Fits. No question in my mind that the Wii era Nintendo is more innovative than the GC era Nintendo.

N64 era, arguably, they were doing a lot more stuffs because of the jump to 3D. But going back to N64 era games? A lot of those games haven't aged well at all which contrasts pretty sharply to what they were doing on the SNES. Either way though I don't think you could argue that Nintendo "lost it" and no longer produce the sort of content they once did. You only need to look at the games they produced for the 3DS in the last couple of years to see that.

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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"

ogo79

kereke12 wrote:

As much as I love Nintendo, but.........................................................................................sadly they are washed up. I can go on for hours explaining but I rather not.

and we are more than glad you have chose not to go on for hours.

the_shpydar wrote:
As @ogo79 said, the SNS-RZ-USA is a prime giveaway that it's not a legit retail cart.
And yes, he is (usually) always right, and he is (almost) the sexiest gamer out there (not counting me) ;)

sub12

Nah, the Wii was a fluke IMO, they got lucky it was trendy within popular culture for a couple of years, but ultimately it failed to have staying power,......motions controls were a mistake,......keeping the Wii underpowered was a mistake,......and the pivot towards casuals was a mistake.

I guess if you grew up during the Wii years you may think differently,........I enjoy most of the Nintendo published content for the 3DS, it feels like console titles from the early 2000's.

sub12

arnoldlayne83

they are not, they still do amazing game with a level of polishness u won t find anywhere else...

What they lack is all about gameing infrastructure and marketing

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Emblem

Washed up? But the best games of last year and this year were Nintendo games (If you use metacritic, gamerankings or reviews as a point of reference).

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MysticX

No, nintendo isn't washed up, if anything the entire video game industry is due for a wakeup call of epic proportions, Nintendo is sticking to well-known IPs of course, but with development costs at the current level (and studios tipping over after disappointing sales of much-hyped titles), it's pretty risky business to start new game series, something has got to give, the video game industry is going the way of the sequel-happy movie industry, with only indie publishers working with small enough budgets to allow them to stray off the beaten path.

Nintendo at least tries to innovate in their sequels, rather than making everything "same old, but prettier"

Now you see, evil will always triumph, because good is dumb! >:D

Bolt_Strike

MysticX wrote:

No, nintendo isn't washed up, if anything the entire video game industry is due for a wakeup call of epic proportions, Nintendo is sticking to well-known IPs of course, but with development costs at the current level (and studios tipping over after disappointing sales of much-hyped titles), it's pretty risky business to start new game series, something has got to give, the video game industry is going the way of the sequel-happy movie industry, with only indie publishers working with small enough budgets to allow them to stray off the beaten path.

Nintendo at least tries to innovate in their sequels, rather than making everything "same old, but prettier"

Mario and Donkey Kong would like to disagree with you, those two franchises have been pretty stagnant recently. In general, I haven't seen anything remotely innovative from Nintendo's platformers since Galaxy.

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DefHalan

Bolt_Strike wrote:

MysticX wrote:

No, nintendo isn't washed up, if anything the entire video game industry is due for a wakeup call of epic proportions, Nintendo is sticking to well-known IPs of course, but with development costs at the current level (and studios tipping over after disappointing sales of much-hyped titles), it's pretty risky business to start new game series, something has got to give, the video game industry is going the way of the sequel-happy movie industry, with only indie publishers working with small enough budgets to allow them to stray off the beaten path.

Nintendo at least tries to innovate in their sequels, rather than making everything "same old, but prettier"

Mario and Donkey Kong would like to disagree with you, those two franchises have been pretty stagnant recently. In general, I haven't seen anything remotely innovative from Nintendo's platformers since Galaxy.

I disagree with Mario being stagnant, haven't played Tropical Freeze so can't talk about DK. 3D World was pretty fun and in my opinion, innovative. I really enjoyed the way 3D World made me think about platforming in a different way compared to the Galaxy platforming. DK looks pretty cool with the different characters that allow you to solve puzzles in different ways.

NSMBU and NSMB2 may be stagnant but not all Mario.

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People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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AbsolutSnake

I haven't purchased a Ninty console/product since the GC as i skipped the N64, Wii and most likely the WiiU as well, But they are far from being washed up. There's only one company that can produced such polished games, and its Ninty. Sony comes close but they're always missing that something.

But what I fear for Nintendo is that they're becoming more and more irrelevant in the console market or gamers minds. i.e. That console that has SMB, MK, SSB, Zelda and not much else or an after thought/2nd console just to play those games.

So even tho I'm more of a Sony fan these days, It still puts a smile on my face when I see kids playing with a Nintendo handheld/console because no one does it better then them to introduce kids to computer games... And that my friend is the 'Nintendo Seal of Quality'

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Bolt_Strike

DefHalan wrote:

I disagree with Mario being stagnant, haven't played Tropical Freeze so can't talk about DK. 3D World was pretty fun and in my opinion, innovative. I really enjoyed the way 3D World made me think about platforming in a different way compared to the Galaxy platforming. DK looks pretty cool with the different characters that allow you to solve puzzles in different ways.

NSMBU and NSMB2 may be stagnant but not all Mario.

I'm not seeing it. You still have the same exact moves, there's no new gameplay mechanic to mix things up, the only things that really change between games are powerups and other gimmicks, and those don't really change much gameplay wise. As for DK, the only things Returns and Tropical Freeze have done that the Classics haven't are the ability to grab walls and ceilings and made Cranky playable. That's basically it, everything else is same old, same old. I wouldn't call any of that innovative by any means, and I wouldn't say they really justify an entire sequel.

Bolt_Strike

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iKhan

Bolt_Strike wrote:

I don't think there's much less to innovate, or at least hardware wise. Once we cross into VR, what else is there? There's very little left that couldn't be done (probably mind control a la Emotiv Insight and that's it), at that point the only thing left to innovate is new IPs and services.

Motion controls and haptic feedback can be improved. Holograms, maybe even a neural interface in the future.

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LzWinky

So most games in existence are non-innovative and therefore bad. Okay?

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Bolt_Strike

iKhan wrote:

Bolt_Strike wrote:

I don't think there's much less to innovate, or at least hardware wise. Once we cross into VR, what else is there? There's very little left that couldn't be done (probably mind control a la Emotiv Insight and that's it), at that point the only thing left to innovate is new IPs and services.

Motion controls and haptic feedback can be improved. Holograms, maybe even a neural interface in the future.

How does that translate into new gameplay ideas, though?

WaLzgi wrote:

So most games in existence are non-innovative and therefore bad. Okay?

TBH, yeah. Repetition makes things boring, and the entire point of video games to be entertaining. Now that doesn't mean that every video game has to be Mario Galaxy, but a new game should have some kind of interesting twist.

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