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WaLzgi

41. Posted:

That is the most awesome anti-hack I've heard. I wish Nintendo and developers would code in stuff like that to prevent piracy

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Mmmm, well my position on piracy is that while it's usually morally wrong, it isn't always. For example, I only play handhelds at the moment (time and travelling constraints). If I want to play Super Metroid, the only way I can do that is to play on a custom firmware PSP. It's technically illegal but I don't see any moral problems at all. There is simply no other way to play Super Metroid on a handheld, and therefore I'm not hurting anyone's business. If they released it on the 3DS virtual console, I'd happily buy that version instead.

But what I think IS always wrong is to give any money to the people who try to profit from piracy. I can't see any real way you can defend that. It's important to consider the democratic power of money and only 'vote' for things which have some kind of intrinsic societal good.

Soooo, if it benefits you it's OK? LOL, alrighty, whatever helps you sleep at night. I'm also not hurting anyone's business to steal someone's PSP so I can play its pirated games! What? I don't have the money or time to play it any other way! And it's not like it's hurting anyone's business. The shmuck I stole it from already paid for it ;) Plus, there are ABSOLUTELY no other games I could play. They left me no choice :(

Seriously, the excuses for piracy are as pathetic as they are endless. We all know how piracy ends though: too much rum, and a British cutlass in your gut. Rum gets the pirates every time...and seriously, Super Metroid is a terrible example. There are plenty of methods to get a hold of it legally, just because you don't have one of them doesn't automatically give you the right to steal it. It's be like me saying: "Well, I don't own a PS4, but want to play Last of Us HD, I guess I'll have to steal it because Sony isn't giving me any choice!"...except to buy it legally...

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I like this thread already because people are gonna post cheap game knockoffs of the real thing, mostly made from other countries.
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And one named after a drug. XP Unbelievable.
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R_Champ wrote:

Dezzy wrote:

Mmmm, well my position on piracy is that while it's usually morally wrong, it isn't always. For example, I only play handhelds at the moment (time and travelling constraints). If I want to play Super Metroid, the only way I can do that is to play on a custom firmware PSP. It's technically illegal but I don't see any moral problems at all. There is simply no other way to play Super Metroid on a handheld, and therefore I'm not hurting anyone's business. If they released it on the 3DS virtual console, I'd happily buy that version instead.

But what I think IS always wrong is to give any money to the people who try to profit from piracy. I can't see any real way you can defend that. It's important to consider the democratic power of money and only 'vote' for things which have some kind of intrinsic societal good.

Soooo, if it benefits you it's OK? LOL, alrighty, whatever helps you sleep at night. I'm also not hurting anyone's business to steal someone's PSP so I can play its pirated games! What? I don't have the money or time to play it any other way! And it's not like it's hurting anyone's business. The shmuck I stole it from already paid for it ;) Plus, there are ABSOLUTELY no other games I could play. They left me no choice :(

Seriously, the excuses for piracy are as pathetic as they are endless. We all know how piracy ends though: too much rum, and a British cutlass in your gut. Rum gets the pirates every time...and seriously, Super Metroid is a terrible example. There are plenty of methods to get a hold of it legally, just because you don't have one of them doesn't automatically give you the right to steal it. It's be like me saying: "Well, I don't own a PS4, but want to play Last of Us HD, I guess I'll have to steal it because Sony isn't giving me any choice!"...except to buy it legally...

Terrible example.

Last of Us is available for purchase on the PS4. It doesn't need to be pirated.

Super Metroid is unavailable to purchase for any handheld console. Thus, playing it on one using an emulator is the only option. You are not taking money out of Nintendos pocket in this case, because they haven't even made the game available on that platform anyway.

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Terrible example.

Last of Us is available for purchase on the PS4. It doesn't need to be pirated.

Super Metroid is unavailable to purchase for any handheld console. Thus, playing it on one using an emulator is the only option. You are not taking money out of Nintendos pocket in this case, because they haven't even made the game available on that platform anyway.

It is, however, still available for purchase. Just because it is not on someone's platform of choice does not mean it suddenly becomes acceptable to emulate the game. The difference between a game like Mother 3 and Super Metroid is that the latter has a localized version available in some form, while the former does not. I bring up Mother 3 as an example because I can understand why someone would choose to play the fan translation.

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Storytime7 wrote:

Terrible example.

Last of Us is available for purchase on the PS4. It doesn't need to be pirated.

Super Metroid is unavailable to purchase for any handheld console. Thus, playing it on one using an emulator is the only option. You are not taking money out of Nintendos pocket in this case, because they haven't even made the game available on that platform anyway.

It is, however, still available for purchase. Just because it is not on someone's platform of choice does not mean it suddenly becomes acceptable to emulate the game. The difference between a game like Mother 3 and Super Metroid is that the latter has a localized version available in some form, while the former does not. I bring up Mother 3 as an example because I can understand why someone would choose to play the fan translation.

And what if he already legally owns Super Metroid, either on the VC or cartridge form? Can he then 'morally' play the game on his PSP?
Or what if he wants to play a different game that hasn't been available for purchase since 1995? Is that alright? It can't be obtained in any other fashion that would allow the creator to see money from its sale.

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Artwark

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I'm gonna be honest, Nintendo Life is really getting open minded to stuff like this. I mean sure we know no matter what, its still illegal but considering the fact that old games that no longer work on modern systems and the fact that many companies went bankrupt, Is it really that illegal anymore?

Now that we have this thread, I feel we can discuss the difficulties and risks of emulation. Like why doesn't Nintendo just steal the roms that pirates dump and use them for VC? Is it because that the operating systems for their systems can't work in the roms due to its programming language being complex?

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48. Posted:

Nintendo does loads of illegal stuff they only care about the law when it benefits them. If it doesn't and they think they will do better out of breaking it they do.

Like the price fixing thing they got hammered by the EU for (Which was still probably less than they made from the practice).

I knew that you couldn't do that there is no way any EU lawyer employed by Nintendo wouldn't have.

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49. Posted:

They do loads of illegal stuff...like this one and only example?

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50. Posted:

R_Champ wrote:

Soooo, if it benefits you it's OK? LOL, alrighty, whatever helps you sleep at night. I'm also not hurting anyone's business to steal someone's PSP so I can play its pirated games! What? I don't have the money or time to play it any other way! And it's not like it's hurting anyone's business. The shmuck I stole it from already paid for it ;) Plus, there are ABSOLUTELY no other games I could play. They left me no choice :(

Seriously, the excuses for piracy are as pathetic as they are endless. We all know how piracy ends though: too much rum, and a British cutlass in your gut. Rum gets the pirates every time...and seriously, Super Metroid is a terrible example. There are plenty of methods to get a hold of it legally, just because you don't have one of them doesn't automatically give you the right to steal it. It's be like me saying: "Well, I don't own a PS4, but want to play Last of Us HD, I guess I'll have to steal it because Sony isn't giving me any choice!"...except to buy it legally...

Ok, first of all. Please make a lot more effort to understand people's arguments. Cos when I clearly go out of my way to explain that I think it's morally OK as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else and then you characterise that as "so if it benefits you, it's ok?", you're just not being responsible in your approach to arguing. Now onto your points....

Who said stealing someone's PSP? What? Did you just randomly pull that out of nowhere? I'm talking about my own PSP. And just to be clear, I do actually own the original SNES version. I didn't mention that because it's really not relevant for the point I was trying to make. The point I was getting at is that it's only wrong if you're cheating someone out of money somehow. I'm not cheating anyone out of money because there's no legal way I can buy it in my current situation. Saying that I COULD find another way to play it is just irrelevant. I explained that I don't have time at the moment to sit and play on a console. So I wouldn't pay to do that under any circumstance. The only realistic alternative is that I just wouldn't play it.

Of course there are other games I could play. I buy a new game about every month. But only when I want to play them. I don't just buy something because I can't play super metroid. If I couldn't play super metroid, I'd just replay one of the games I already own until something else is released. So that isn't losing them any money either.
Don't have the 'right' to steal it? Once again, I only accept that something is theft if it means that someone is making an actual loss. No-one makes a loss in the example I've given. So in what sense is it stealing? It's 'technically' stealing in the same way that killing a fly technically makes you a killer.
The Last of Us Analogy is terrible as you've changed the key factor! The Last Of Us is a console-only game. The only way to play it is on console. If I play a pirated console version, I'm causing a loss to the developer through not paying for the official version.

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Artwark

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@unrandomsam It is true that Nintendo did stuff that was unfair. But that was only one thing and that they didn't allow other companies to compete and the price thing was the only one that they did wrong. Other than that, everything else is fine.

I can understand why certain people can argue this fact over Nintendo but to be honest, I'm with Nintendo on this because atleast now, when there are several trademarks and copyright issues and companies buying each other and shutting down companies ( I'm looking at you, EA.....) Nintendo tried to avoid competition so modern gaming wouldn't be horrible as it is now.......

Anyways this topic is about piracy so why talk about stuff that doesn't involve piracy? So like I asked earlier......why doesn't Nintendo just steal the roms that pirates dump and use them for VC? Is it because that the operating systems for their systems can't work in the roms due to its programming language being compl

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52. Posted:

@Shirma_Akayaku: All those knockoffs make me wonder how Sony and Microsoft will fare in China.

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53. Posted:

WaLzgi wrote:

@Shirma_Akayaku: All those knockoffs make me wonder how Sony and Microsoft will fare in China.

Since none of those fake consoles play real games, I don't see how it could possibly affect anything.

The wealthy Chinese people that would be buying expensive PS4's and Xboxes know the difference between a real product and a $10 knockoff being sold in a market.

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Artwark wrote:

So like I asked earlier......why doesn't Nintendo just steal the roms that pirates dump and use them for VC? Is it because that the operating systems for their systems can't work in the roms due to its programming language being compl

If hackers can sneakily get emulators running on a Wii, there is no reason Nintendo couldn't release a legitimate emulator app for the Wii (or Wii-U) that would allow you to purchase games (i.e. ROMS) from their library via the eShop. If Nintendo did that, and priced the games at $1-4, I would happily drop $50 or more to buy legit versions of several games I already play for free on emulators.

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unrandomsam

55. Posted:

The roms are exactly the same. (Presuming the dumps are good).

No reason for Nintendo to not just use something like a Retrode though. Not something I have ever really bothered with.

I see breaking EU rules / copyright infringement / patent infringement as all part of the same thing Nintendo thinks only the parts that benefit them should be enforced and they should be able to do what they like otherwise (like any company).

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Beetlejuice wrote:

And what if he already legally owns Super Metroid, either on the VC or cartridge form? Can he then 'morally' play the game on his PSP?
Or what if he wants to play a different game that hasn't been available for purchase since 1995? Is that alright? It can't be obtained in any other fashion that would allow the creator to see money from its sale.

Both scenarios are still illegal (unless the emulated copy of a game you own is a backup that you made yourself). However, if someone doesn't feel like they're doing something wrong in either of those situations then it's not my place to stop them. I can't say I would object to more people playing Super Metroid or Mother 3, even if I feel people should buy games that are available to them.

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Artwark wrote:

why doesn't Nintendo just steal the roms that pirates dump and use them for VC? Is it because that the operating systems for their systems can't work in the roms due to its programming language being compl

Ner, this isn't the Sega Saturn era. Any of the modern hardware platforms could easily be made to run emulators and roms if they wanted to. As for why they don't, I'm guessing it's similar as to why Apple has this nonsense system where you have "sync" an iPod (do they still do that?) to a library. It's perfectly possible to just design an ipod so you can drag and drop mp3s onto the iPod like a regular USB stick. They just have this desire to have a certain amount of control over things. In Apple's case, I have no idea why that benefits them. They just seem to like systemising things in a particular way. In Nintendo's case, I'm guessing it maybe helps protect the system against hackers to have these layers of inpenetrable software that are obstructing the keys to the architecture. It's quite easy to break through encryption if you have this kind of control example that you can deduce patterns from.

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unrandomsam

58. Posted:

Apple does most of that stuff for licensing reasons. Want an iOS external GPS it costs say £120. A generic bluetooth one costs about £10. They use some lockout chip type system as well.

(Means that eventually people can clone stuff that already exists but they would never be able to make something new due to no software support).

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59. Posted:

The only time I've ever pirated a game is when I played Pokemon Emerald on my iPod Touch. I was told it was legal by a friend of mine, so I didn't really know better.
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60. Posted:

Beetlejuice wrote:

WaLzgi wrote:

@Shirma_Akayaku: All those knockoffs make me wonder how Sony and Microsoft will fare in China.

Since none of those fake consoles play real games, I don't see how it could possibly affect anything.

The wealthy Chinese people that would be buying expensive PS4's and Xboxes know the difference between a real product and a $10 knockoff being sold in a market.

First of all, how big is the wealthy class? Second, why would they buy a PS4 or Xbox? Third, is all this really as straightforward as "Let's just jump face first into this market!" whereas Nintendo is hesitant after having experience with said market?

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