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V8_Ninja

And so Sword Art Online has ended. While free users (myself included) can't see the last episode, it's a safe bet that nothing redefining happens in episode 25 because the main story has essentially ended. So yeah, that means it's time to reflect on the journey and give the final thoughts.

Disappointing.

That is what SAO was to me; disappointing. The first few episodes were close to being great; they dealt with the problems and concepts of the setting and really did give the impression that the series knew what it was doing and talking about.

And then the show turned into a generic Shounen romance empowerment fantasy.

Admittedly, the romance between Kirito and Asuna started off as decent. The strength of the relationship came out of nowhere, but there were arguments against that particular claim. This was the first disappointment, but it was a disappointment of near-total tonal shift rather than a major drop in quality.

And then the ALfheim Online arc rolled around.

At the start of the arc, I was almost rejoiced; we finally got to see the post-SAO real world, a world that experienced a deadly game where people had to entirely rewire their brain if they wanted the best possible chance of survival. "This was it," I thought. We were finally getting to the masterful piece of the show; the part where we see the near-irreversible affects SAO had on the life of its champion.

But no; it went into another direction, a far worse direction, one that would shame the show's main goal of being a romance.

Almost everyone became one-dimensional. The main villain filled the most bare and bland of evil archetypes, Asuna became the maiden to be saved, and the rest of the supporting cast failed at being more than one-note. The series even stopped caring about the logistics of its created worlds, with inconsistencies and impossibilities being stated and implied.

It really does anger me to see a show set itself for something great and then willingly jump off of the tracks right over a raven.

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@V8_Ninja I actually agree with everything you are saying about Alfheim Online. The villain was too generic, Asuna did not play a big role, and the supporting characters were just simply there. I think that they could have focused on SAO for a long time if they wanted to, but instead it went by too fast. They could have spent a hundred episodes exploring the game, mechanics, relationship, and the main villain, but oh well. It would have strayed from the light novels it was using as source material, and people would have labeled them as filler. Lose-lose situation it seems.

About episode 25, though, nothing redefining does happen, but I don't see that as necessarily bad. I thought it was nice ending. It is available on YouTube by the way.

Regarding Kirito and Asuna’s relationship, we are talking about an anime whose story arc lasts 14 episodes. In such a short amount of time, it is hard to make that gradual. The fact that it occurred late (episode 10) means that they allotted plenty of time to allow the relationship to evolve to where it is now before the end of the arc. I do agree that they should have shown more of the buildup so it didn't look like it came from out of nowhere, but they spent two years in game inside SAO, and we saw plenty of interaction between the two, as well as anything else that happened behind the scenes within those two years. Besides, if they made the relationship happen sooner or show more of the buildup, people probably would have complained that the show isn't focusing on the fighting, the game world, other characters, etc.

I also noticed the shift in tone that occurred because of their relationship, but here’s how I see it: Asuna was very afraid of being trapped and possibly dying in the game, so she masked her emotions and hid behind a tough exterior to hide her emotions from other people. Then she met Kirito and opened up to him, allowing us to see her true self. Not only would this justify the shift, but it makes her less one-dimensional.

I agree that I also felt that they should have shown more of the real world. The consequences resulting from SAO and the impact it had on the players and society as a whole would have been an interesting point of discussion.

As for the series being disappointing, I agree that there was so much more the series could have done, but for what it did I think it did well. I personally enjoyed the finale and I think the scene at the hospital was a nice touch, especially the reflection in the window.

At least half of this post is me agreeing with you, lol. I still don’t think this is a bad show; I think it is great, and I would still recommend it to people, but you have raised some good points about the show that should definitely be taken into consideration.

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kkslider5552000

It sounds like it's one of those series (well more likely what this anime is based off of rather than the anime itself), decided to do more to appeal to a larger audience after a while. But unfortunately is one of those cases where they sacrificed what they had instead of being the same series but done in a more "mainstream" way. And you can do that, my favorite anime has kinda sorta done that, FMA Brotherhood apparently does that. Hayate the Combat Butler should be studied by people who want to do stuff like this, since it did a brilliant job at this in the manga.

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DarkNinja9 wrote:

well i started watching mayo chiki seems good so far anyone seen it?

I have seen it and I very much enjoyed it.

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CanisWolfred

kkslider5552000 wrote:

It sounds like it's one of those series (well more likely what this anime is based off of rather than the anime itself), decided to do more to appeal to a larger audience after a while. But unfortunately is one of those cases where they sacrificed what they had instead of being the same series but done in a more "mainstream" way. And you can do that, my favorite anime has kinda sorta done that, FMA Brotherhood apparently does that. Hayate the Combat Butler should be studied by people who want to do stuff like this, since it did a brilliant job at this in the manga.

Actually, from what I'm told by someone who imported the original novels, it may have been that they tried to cram too many books in one season, especially when the first one was really the best. They skipped over or rushed some important stuff while including stuff they could've easily have left out, too. Chances are they should've focused more on the first book, and fleshed that out to the full 25 episodes, before they moved on to later material. Whatever happened to shows being 50+ episodes long, anyways?

But yeah, the book series probably tried to appeal to a broader audience and failed in that regard, hence why the first book is considered the best, and why it started with such potential.

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DarkNinja9 wrote:

well i started watching mayo chiki seems good so far anyone seen it?

I have seen it and I very much enjoyed it.

least now i know im not the only one felt like i was the only one standing out

but do you know any others that are similar or that you liked as well?(doesnt need to be that genre either)

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this is relevant because TOONAMI!1!!

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Any chance you've seen Tenchi Muyo (any series) or perhaps even Martian Successor Nadesico?
Or Bombshells From The Sky, Negima?!, Infinite Stratos, Ichigo 100% (Strawberry 100%), or Tears to Tiara?
Or He is My Master, Love Hina, or Rosaio + Vampire?

And has anyone else here seen Irresponsible Captain Tylor? It's one of the best anime comedies I've seen, with enough story to keep me going, and a lot of humor I actually found funny (though still some cringe-worthy idiocy to keep it from being perfect). 'Course, I also liked the characters, especially Tylor. I couldn't tell if that guy was a complete idiot or a total genius. Loved it.

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Watched Gundam UC episode 5, finally. While I greatly enjoyed it, it felt very rushed this time. A lot of things felt like they could've been fleshed out more, like the Argama's dislike of the Vist Foundation, Bright's decision to help out a kid he just met, and work with Neo-Zeons. Also could've used some more downtime between the last three major events. They also needed to explain that glowing light and the "resonance shock"(?) for fans who aren't super in depth with the series. I understood it, but seriously, no explanation at all? Other than that, though, great plot twists, lots of fun battles that didn't quite feel overblown. I don't think they introduced more than 2 Mobile Suits that we hadn't seen before in this show, but one of them was the Banshee, so that makes up for it. Not like we really need that much more, anyways.

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Just finished Soul Eater on my new Wii U
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I just finished the first episode of Irresponsible Captain Tylor...
I have no idea what to say xD
It was pretty halarious, but Tylor is either really smart. Or something is seriously wrong with his head.

Can't wait to finish the series.

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I should re-watch Soul Eater again sometime. Or at least the Excalibur episodes.

Also, before last week, I was busy re-watching Evangelion for the first time in well over a decade - and I liked it a lot more than I remembered liking it back in the day (I still didn't particularly care for Shinji, though). And holy crap, End of Evangelion was one heck of a mind freak.

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CanisWolfred

Konata wrote:

@CanisWolfred
I just finished the first episode of Irresponsible Captain Tylor...
I have no idea what to say xD
It was pretty halarious, but Tylor is either really smart. Or something is seriously wrong with his head.

Can't wait to finish the series.

I know what you mean! XD Hope you like the rest, it's really good.

RevolverLink wrote:

I should re-watch Soul Eater again sometime. Or at least the Excalibur episodes.

Also, before last week, I was busy re-watching Evangelion for the first time in well over a decade - and I liked it a lot more than I remembered liking it back in the day (I still didn't particularly care for Shinji, though). And holy crap, End of Evangelion was one heck of a mind freak.

I've seen Evangelion 3 times, and it only gets better the more I watch. End of Evangelion only gets worse, though. Calling it a mind freak is actually putting it lightly...

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Bleach - Missed

Naruto - This was a pretty good/funny episode. Looks like they've completed their training.

ThunderCats - A pretty good episode, but they should have spread this out over at least two episodes, because there was so much going on all at once (big invasion, Panthro vs Grune, Lion-O & Tigra vs Mummra for a key item), and it all went by too quick.

Samurai 7 & Sym-Bionic Titan - Took a Paper Mario: Sticker Star break, lol.

Eureka 7 - Holy crap, Renton just went crazy on those mechs (lots & lots of robot blood).

Tenchi Muyo GXP - Okay, I know this series is going to have "that" kind of humor, but this episode really over did it. The original Tenchi was a much more intelligent/engaging show (they never finished the OVA series originally on Toonami, so I'll never understand why they picked up GXP, instead of getting the original series & finally finishing it out).

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For a while I hadn't been watching as much anime as I would have liked as there was no sound on my laptop and the desktop computer wasn't always free but I got a new laptop for Christmas so I can watch more anime now! Because of that I haven't made much progress in a lot of the series I'm watching so I still haven't finished the original series of Naruto despite saying I almost had ages ago.

Anyway, I'm on the future arc of Reborn and some of the episodes I've recently seen of that arc aren't as good as good the earlier episodes of that arc because there are too many situations going on at once so you keep going back and forth between multiple scenes. This would be okay if there weren't so many of them and it leads to some of the ongoing events getting more progress than others in some episodes. The overly long recaps at the start of each episode don't help either. The last episode I saw did have a bit of Deus ex machina but it was probably just a one off. The actual content of the episodes is still awesome, I just wish there wasn't so much going on in each episode so that there is such little progress with some scenes. There was also a lovely, heartwarming Tsuna x Gokudera scene in an episode I recently saw. Those two are about as close as you can get to being a canon couple without actually being one. Besides, Tsuna's canon love interest, Kyoko is pretty shallow anyway.

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DarkNinja9 wrote:

well i started watching mayo chiki seems good so far anyone seen it?

Yes and Konoe is adorable

Been watching Samurai 7 on Toonami. Need to get back into Gyrozetter

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I previously finished Sword Art Online. I really enjoyed it but, season two took a turn for the worse in my opinion. Still, I recommend this Anime to any of you who may have enjoyed the .hack// series or Mirai Nikki (TV).

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I finished Season 1 of Soul Eater on my WiiU and have been forcing all my friends to watch it.
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V8_Ninja

Okay, I confess; I probably should have waited until after watching episode 25 of SAO before declaring my disappointment of the series. The first four minutes episode 25 are GLORIOUS, and I mean that with most sincerity. My overall opinion of the show hasn't changed and I disagree with the direction that the rest of the ending took, but if the adaptation team had to take the direction they chose for the Alfheim arc to drive those four minutes home I do slightly forgive them.

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Nintengirl wrote:

I finished Season 1 of Soul Eater on my WiiU and have been forcing all my friends to watch it.
Also, Dr. Stein is like my favorite character.

I think that the Internet Browser on Wii U is a far improvement of the Browser on the original Wii.

Anyway, I just got into Fairy Tail recently, i'm upto episode 11, and I gotta say, why does Lucy sometimes remind me of Usopp?

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