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Topic: A Question for those in Europe

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Xyphon22

I don't know how much people outside of America pay attention to our political happenings, but it is becoming more and more likely that the battle for our next president will be between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. So my question is: For a man with a wife and two small children (4 and 1), where do you think is the best place in Europe to live for the next 4-8 years? I guess those in Canada and elsewhere can answer, too; but my wife has never been to Europe and I think she would like to go.

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SuperWiiU

Unless you're really bad off now, a Hillary presidentcy won't change much and you'd probably better off staying in the US for now. Many European countries have their own Donald Trumps in power or rising in the polls, and the possible exit of GB from the EU might cause instability there and in the rest of the EU. Then there's migration issue, financial instability etc...

Maybe New Zealand(It's like Canada, but further away from the US)?

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Octane

@Xyphon22: If you asked me a couple of years ago, I would've recommended every place in Europe. Currently, the situation over here isn't great either.

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Peek-a-boo

@Xyphon22: It is unavoidable to 'pay attention to American politics' given that it is on the BBC news every blooming day!

All I know is this; Trump is a dangerous man, along with most of his voters too, whereas Clinton has a lot going for her, but she doesn't seem overly trustful given the whole emails-malarkey story a while back.

Europe is very unsettled at the moment, unfortunately; terrorism, immigrants from ISIS countries and new (but not yet agreed) divisive EU laws. You also have Britain potentially exiting from the EU, as well as yet another Scotland independency in the foreseeable future too.

Maybe you should wait and see? If playing the 'waiting game' isn't what you wish to do, I can happily and wholeheartedly recommend Melbourne in Australia or just about anywhere in New Zealand.

In any case, I wish you and your family all the best of luck!

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skywake

IMO the issue with US politics is not Trump or Clinton. The issue is your voting system. People don't want to vote for the major parties and so they stay home. That makes the major parties drift further and further away from the mainstream. And even worse you have a First Past the Post voting system which makes a vote for third parties effectively wasted.

For a comparison here is a chart showing how people voted (or didn't) in the US and Australia:
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Yes Australia has compulsory voting which bumps up our numbers. And yes most people still vote for the major parties. But the public generally respects the result because it's seen as fair. It was us who put them there not some system out of our control. The same is not true in the US, that's your issue. That's why people like Trump and to some extent Sanders can gain traction. They spend all of their time talking about how your elections are broken. How it's rigged in favour of the "establishment".....

When politicians try the Trump game here? They run and they get a few seats. Then we realise how stupid the "fighting against the machine" bit is when the machine gave them a seat at the table. They inevitably wash out of the system in the next cycle as people move onto the next thing. Or some people think they do a good job and they gain support, in which case they slowly get more power.

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