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Radixxs

21. Posted:

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I fail to see how one person saying idiotic things represents the feelings of all of Capcom. Perhaps they could've stopped it, but they can't control everything everyone says. If I enter a SEGA-sponsored event and rant about different racist or sexist topics, do I automatically destroy SEGA's reputation?

No one said it reflects Capcom's own views, but that Capcom isn't doing enough to stop this sort of thing from happening. Like banning someone from a message board for using a homosexual slur.

Are you suggesting I be banned?

I understand, I just don't hold any grudges against Capcom, and comfort myself in knowing that morons like this are in the minority.

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“For some guys, being themselves means making mildly lecherous comments or racial jokes. Now, a bunch of idiots are conflating and exaggerating this with actually being racist or sexist. That’s supremely stupid, because they’re not even close to the same.”

If being yourself includes "making mildly lecherous comments or racial jokes" is not a sign of being racist or sexist, I'm not sure what it means.

Seriously. I have friends who LOVE the fighting games mentioned, and they play them with passion, but they never really become complete idiots. And they get very happy when someone new to these games wants to play with them.

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If I played online multiplayer in video games to the point that I'm recruited to coach other people in a show about fighting games, I'm sure I'd have some mental problems myself.

I'm not saying that I support this guy/these people in any way, shape, or form, but Capcom REALLY needs to tighten the leash on these things; if they're letting crap like this go on, eventually the problem will not go away once the next Resident Evil title comes out.

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Just when I thought Capcom had run out of ways to dissappoint me, they find another. slow clap

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wtf. That guy is such a creep. :|
I feel really bad for Miranda especially after having to deal with sexual harassment as well.

And as for Crapcom, even a good epic facepalm could not express my disappointment.

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26. Posted:

Radixxs wrote:

I understand, I just don't hold any grudges against Capcom, and comfort myself in knowing that morons like this are in the minority.

Morons like that may be in the minority in the wide-world BUT unfortunately in the fighting/FPS communities where there can be a high concentration of men - it can become daunting, intimidating and offensive for women... and this is the problem. Because of this bias towards men, idiots like the ones Capcom were advertising also think they're right as they hear very little criticism.

There are a lot of VERY good female gamers, but unless more is done by the gaming companies to point out that sexism is NOT okay, the numbers are not going to balance up. Because who wants to be derrided while playing their games?

Capcom really should have done more than slap a disclaimer on the screen - even if it was just point out WHAT AN IDIOT he is.

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The_Fox

27. Posted:

For the love of.....

Stop saying "Crapcom", people. I'd like to think you can think up something a little more clever.

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O Great and Wise The_Fox, please tell us what to say instead so that our lowly, uncouth, and yet amazingly succinct expression of disgust with Capcom shall no longer offend thy heavenly ears.

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29. Posted:

The_Fox wrote:

Stop saying "Crapcom", people. I'd like to think you can think up something a little more clever.

I've edited mine out for you, I agree with what you say, but when you make an intelligent argument you have to try and engage the people you are speaking to... lessening yourself for the greater good is not always considerred selling out. Plus being a simple name, most anagrams aren't that fitting. Pocmap? At least with "crapcom" you can extend that to Porcmap which has more of a whimsical feel.

I'd hate to feel that the intent of my original post, which was to address the sexism inherent in games has now been lost because of a single use of a bisyllabic propper-noun.

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“What is unacceptable about that?” Aris asked. “There is nothing unacceptable about that. We’re in America! This isn’t North Korea! We can say what we want."

And people wonder why I sometimes wish to live in North Korea...

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31. Posted:

theblackdragon wrote:

O Great and Wise The_Fox, please tell us what to say instead so that our lowly, uncouth, and yet amazingly succinct expression of disgust with Capcom shall no longer offend thy heavenly ears.

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32. Posted:

On a more serious note - was this a Capcom organised event, or a Capcom sponsored event? I missed that in the article, and it means the world of difference.

The former, Capcom is completely unforgivable. The latter, there was little Capcom could do, aside from not sponsor the event next time.

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Oh dear.....
Capcom, you've got to be kidding me.

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On a more serious note - was this a Capcom organised event, or a Capcom sponsored event? I missed that in the article, and it means the world of difference.

The former, Capcom is completely unforgivable. The latter, there was little Capcom could do, aside from not sponsor the event next time.

The article said that it was sponsored.

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35. Posted:

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The latter, there was little Capcom could do, aside from not sponsor the event next time.

Sponsors pull support from people and organizations all the time. Why Capcom wouldn't pull support for this competition when this behavior reared its ugly head and the person/people responsible refused to realize they were in the wrong is absolutely beyond me. Their continued agreement to sponsor the competition supports this behavior, it shows the audience that it's okay to be a disgusting sexist pig because that's just how the gaming world works... and that's not right.

And I know there are other companies sponsoring the competition — MadCatz, for one — but Capcom was the biggest name I noticed there, and certainly the one I (had) trusted most, which is why as a female I feel particularly betrayed that they've condoned this kind of thing by not pulling their sponsorship. I've purchased so many Capcom games over the years, but I'll be damned if they ever get another dime of my money. I don't care if the next Phoenix Wright game is flippin' amazing and the bestest thing ever. I don't care if Layton vs. Wright ever hits NA shores, I will not be purchasing it.

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36. Posted:

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I don't care if Layton vs. Wright ever hits NA shores, I will not be purchasing it.

don't worry, the localization is all Level 5 anyway. :p

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37. Posted:

theblackdragon wrote:

ChocoGoldfish wrote:

The latter, there was little Capcom could do, aside from not sponsor the event next time.

Sponsors pull support from people and organizations all the time. Why Capcom wouldn't pull support for this competition when this behavior reared its ugly head and the person/people responsible refused to realize they were in the wrong is absolutely beyond me. Their continued agreement to sponsor the competition supports this behavior, it shows the audience that it's okay to be a disgusting sexist pig because that's just how the gaming world works... and that's not right.

And I know there are other companies sponsoring the competition — MadCatz, for one — but Capcom was the biggest name I noticed there, and certainly the one I (had) trusted most, which is why as a female I feel particularly betrayed that they've condoned this kind of thing by not pulling their sponsorship. I've purchased so many Capcom games over the years, but I'll be damned if they ever get another dime of my money. I don't care if the next Phoenix Wright game is flippin' amazing and the bestest thing ever. I don't care if Layton vs. Wright ever hits NA shores, I will not be purchasing it.

It really depends on what kind of contract regarding the sponsorship Capcom has signed. Depending on the wording, it can be very, very difficult to pull sponsorship over something that is "potentially offensive" (well, offensive in every sense of the word, but America does have that pesky right to free speach to contend with).

There will usually be clauses in a sponsorship contract regarding the terms that it can be pulled out off. Assuming Capcom was silly enough to assume that video game ultra geeks would be on their best behaviour (and let's face it, Capcom makes stupid moves all the time), then it could have been incredibly costly (and with legal fees attached) to withdraw sponsorship in this instance.

Should they still have pulled sponsorship regardless? I would have, but on the pure basis that a sponsorship is a business, marketing, decision, and one that would have involved a legally-binding contract, Capcom may have had their hands tied here - we can't be certain it wasn't.

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'potentially offensive' my foot — this. is. harassment. he was asked to stop and did not — flat-out refused, even, arguing on-air that he and every other male present had the right to make whatever sexual and racial jokes they wanted with the 'you know i'm just playin', baby, if you take me serious that's your problem' excuse. no, we don't know exactly what was signed and how, but there's no way they didn't have some sort of exit clause available. with as many lawyers as these companies employ, i refuse to believe they were that stupid as to sign away all of their rights for this competition.

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39. Posted:

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'potentially offensive' my foot — this. is. harassment. he was asked to stop and did not — flat-out refused, even, arguing on-air that he and every other male present had the right to make whatever sexual and racial jokes they wanted with the 'you know i'm just playin', baby, if you take me serious that's your problem' excuse. no, we don't know exactly what was signed and how, but there's no way they didn't have some sort of exit clause available. with as many lawyers as these companies employ, i refuse to believe they were that stupid as to sign away all of their rights for this competition.

Look, I would have cheered if someone punched the loser in the face for being a d-bag. If I was there, I would have floored him. The guy is the dictionary definition of a game geek loser, has an intolerable attitude and is everything that annoys me about people. He should never be on screen in the first place, regardless of his skill and mashing buttons.

There's a big difference between what is nasty, and what is the law, and all I'm saying is Capcom may or may not be complicit in all of this. If Capcom signed a contract to sponsor an event for $X dollars, and then decides that it doesn't want to sponsor the event any longer for any reason other than something the contract, or the law, allows it to do so for, then Capcom would be up for a seriously nasty bill/ court case.

Capcom should have been far more intelligent in what it sponsored, but pulling sponsorship isn't as easy as you'd suggest. Or perhaps it is and Capcom really is the ultimate scumbag company - I'm not defending them here, more pointing out that we just don't know enough right now.

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Wait... does anyone know for absolute sure if they're just sponsoring it, or do they really have a hand in what's going on? this article here says they're 'collaborating' with iPlayWinner, Team Sp00ky, and 'working closely with' IGN to bring it to the masses. Even IGN's announcement article calls it 'Capcom's Cross Assault'. I like how they make it look like they own the place — up until the point where it's time to deny all association with remarks made by the players but let them keep doing their thing unchecked.
... and with that, i'm done for the night. gotta calm the rage so i can get some sleep D:

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