Topic: Seems we werent the only one thinking DSiWare could be so much Better!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/pocket-...

DSiWare is shaping up, but it seems that someone other than me and a few others here that were ticked off at the system and ran out and bought a DSi for Retro Gaming. Shantae pretty much is enough for me to keep me happy whenever it finally decides to release, but I decided to post the article for discussion anyways. My feelings STILL are that Nintendo let us down Big Time with no VC on DSi.

Yuck! Pocketgamer are trash who take every chance they get to bash the DS and praise the iphone, they also seem to plain make stuff up.

As for the topic at hand, a handheld VC would be nice but there's no obligation for them to provide it, it seems people have a big sense of entitlement.

@Oregano...... yeah I agree and all that has been explained in depth here. There was no actual Nintendo reps saying that there was a VC coming but there were whispers around the net. Then after we all bought it, oh we finally got a real rep saying its not coming. Nintendo knew what was expected and I believe knew people would buy for the VC, and that is why they waited to do that, OH and as well as after it was out a few months and we all bought it then they also said that Nintendo wouldnt produce First Party Support Fully for the DSiWare as well. On this one they do have a valid point, but you can always say its the consumers fault, and to some extent it is. Wont happen again from me, I will never purchase another Nintendo system until years after its been out.

Actually I'm sure they said there would be no VC beforehand but people were saying it was just the typical "deny it right until announcement" thing Nintendo does when it turned out it wasn't.

What do you mean about not full first party support? They were never going to put a main entry on the service because that restricts the potential userbase and it's only a download service and if you actually look at the first party support it's a lot more than you'd think, more than Wiiware that's for sure. Just on the EU service there's something like 60 Nintendo games, unless you don't count Skip and Q Games... and Intelligent Systems has gave it good support(they even made Dragon Quest Wars).

My main thing is, why say there were hints of Virtual Console, and then later admit that there are basically no retro games on Japan DSiWare? If there were official hints in Japan, and they didn't get it, I could understand them complaining. But for everyone else, it shouldn't be a surprise at all.

And weird time for such a style of article given the recent Earthworm Jim announcement. Imo Nintendo should focus on getting new 3rd party support, and I wouldn't develop for a Nintendo device if my game was going to be outsold by something from 20 years ago (as in lots of virtual console games).

"With companies such as Sega pushing plenty of retro product in the direction of the iPhone, it's obvious that a market exists for this kind of service on handhelds."
On handhelds that don't have buttons maybe. On DSiWare, aren't new games that have hype to back them up easily outselling retro games, and also even outselling better games that don't market themselves based on the current fads?

Everyone thought and knows that the DSi can be alot better. It has the power, even on the normal phat DS, to run SNES games, the DSi can run GBA games.

@Oregano.... actually my friend they didnt make the official announcement until right at a month after the service launched. Who seriously wouldnt have thought that the reason for DSiWare was to incorporte a VC to it with the insane sucess of VC on Wii. Most everybody at the time thought it was the reason, and its never unusual for Nintendo to Deny EVERYTHING, they always do. As for First Party support, that doesnt hurt my feelings at all. Im a 3rd Party supporter and the big Nintendo DSi title Mario vs DK is my least favorite on the service that Ive downloaded. All in all, DSiWare still to this day could be much better, the majority of the releases still or mediocre at best to downright horrible, just take a look at the weekly reviews.

Are you talking about the Japanese release because I don't read Japanese blogs or anything but I thought for sure they said no to a VC service on the DSi before the Western release and really shouldn't the fact that the Japanese DSi didn't have such a service clue us in?

There's also the point that the VC on the Wii is available to all used whilst a DSi VC is only available to one set of owners which is why it would make sense to reserve it for the DS2. It's also a point that the "massive success" of the virtual console may be undercutting Wiiware and they wanted to avoid that situation on the DS. Like I was thinking about downloading a Castlevania before and I considered ReBirth or Rondo of Blood and obviously I'd go for Rondo of Blood.

I also disagree with the general quality, whilst there are some stinker the majority of titles are good and there's already a plethora of great games(and a good variety too). I'd say whilst it may lack the quantity of titles the App store has it has a better ratio of good games.

@Oregano..... oh yeah, do agree. There are some really good games on DSiWare. I do agree. The one Nintendo one I love is Pictobits, then you have MFC, Asphalt 4, Dark Void, etc.
I wasnt talking about the Japanese version though. There was speculation when DSi released that it was going to be THE new DS for a long time and as well as the mummers around the net, it just seemed like a given that Nintendo would put a VC on DSiWare. Heck most all the Mods here included all thought that. Obviously its being put off to DS2 and Im sure it will happen because of all the want for it.
I did say in my original post that just having Shantae sequels finally coming is enough to warrant my purchase for DSi, though I came so close to selling it so many times as for the longest there was really no point in the system. DSi will literally just be my few DSiWare titles and Shantae glory if DS2 arives soon. If that does in fact happen, DSi will be a very short lived system though.

...... All in all.... DSi just HAS so much potential that is so untapped in my opinion and the article kinda showed that Im not the only one who thinks that. Man it really could be an absolute knock-out handheld, but is just a mediocre upgrade that if it wasnt for the Shantae titles and Pictobits, I could easily been happy to do without.