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AlexSays

21. Posted:

WaltzElf wrote:

Potentially a game could make use of the DSi's music/ SD card slot capabilties - think rhythm game where you use your favourite music.

And doesn't the DSi use different technology for its online capabilities? Or, additional maps/ addons/ weapons/ powerups through the shop channel.

Either way, there are things that can possibly be done with the DSi that cannot be done with the other DS consoles. We just haven't seen much by way of innovation with the new features yet.

Yeah they could do something with the SD card and there's always DLC and stuff. DLC isn't implemented all that much on the Wii though so I don't see it really taking off in the DSi shop. It could be a nice little bonus for DSi owners though sometime down the road.

The DSi also uses more of it's hardware for it's internet browsing. I haven't had any hands on with the thing yet, but it's supposed to be a little faster. As far as online games go, I'm pretty sure it's the exact same though. There's not going to be any differences between online multiplayer DS and DSi games.

Like you said the DSi does have extra little things developers could use though. Whether they get used or not will be the deciding factor for me, I know that. If DLC doesn't really take off and there's not that many stellar DSiWare games, I might just wait until the next handheld.

hylianhalcyon wrote:

The reason the DSi battery goes quicker than the DS Lite and DS Phat batteries is because its battery is smaller than the batteries of the other 2 models.

It's lasts about half as long.

The battery isn't half the size.

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Roopa132

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@hylian
No the DSi has the same hardware as the other DS system just that the DSi has more functions in which uses up more battery juice in this case.
If you would`ve read the postd above^^ you would know this.
(Though I didn`t learn it myself from reading their posts all in all its kinda common sense.)

And if you would have read my post you would know that the DSi doesn't have the same hardware ;) it has a better CPU and a better RAM.

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As the DSi has many features, devs can be more creative, thus a small amount of people who own the DSi(when compared to the hundreds of Thousands who own the Phat DS & DS Lite), making a game for the DSi exclusively wouldn`t be a smart choice, so early in release.

You know... many of the DSiWare games are exclusives :P (except the slimmed down versions of dr. mario, brain training etc.)
So why not? It's not that those companies should ONLY make DSi games but they could make one DSi game amongst 10 DS games.
Of course that's theroetically since there probably aren't many games that would approve of complete camera use. But for example the game Ghostwire (that uses the camera 95% of the time) is rumored to be a retail DSi game since everywhere on the developer's websites is written "comes to DSi" or "upcoming DSi title" but nowhere is written something about DSiWare.
But actually I don't really care. I'm happy with my exclusive DSiWare games ;)

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Raptor78

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DS Phat / DS lite has two CPU's one ARM9 67mhz and an ARM7 33mhz while the DSi has two CPU's one ARM9 133mhz and an ARM7 66mhz so the CPU's have both doubled in power and the memory has gone from 4mb RAM in the DS Phate/lite up to 16mb in the DSi. While it is true that this is to make the most of the new software that comes built in to the DSi (which unlike the DS Phat/Lite has firmware updates) the new hardware will be usuable by developers if they so wish.
All this as well as improved sound quality, the ability to alter brightness as and when you need it without the need to enter settings, a power button which acts like the home button on the wii rather than turning the system on and off two Cameras and an SD slot which uses SDHC... not to mention the internal flash storage which is good for storing the downloadable games from the online DSi store which dispite the stupid clocks and things does have a couple of diamonds in the rough.
I dont think anyone will be expecting DSi exclusive retail games unitil well into 2010, but DSi enhanced games have already started to be released and Gameloft has been trying to include the new DSi hardware in their DSiware downloads.

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For now, yes the DS Lite is FAR better, The DSi has nothing that justifies its cost for such a minimal upgrade. However, a year down the line I may very well change my tune. We'll have to wait and see.

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I find much more usage out of my DSi, since i have no ipod or camera. So, i use that as a camera and music player :)

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DSi kicks the crap out of DS lite. I mean like, download awesome games, take picture, listen to music, and so what if the battery lasts a few hours less (not half!), it's still a amazing piece of hardware!

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hylianhalcyon

27. Posted:

Chrono+Cross wrote:

@hylian
No the DSi has the same hardware as the other DS system just that the DSi has more functions in which uses up more battery juice in this case.
If you would`ve read the postd above^^ you would know this.
(Though I didn`t learn it myself from reading their posts all in all its kinda common sense.)

The DSi battery is smaller then the other models' batteries. Since it is smaller(not half the size) it doesn't last as long. Having more going on is part of it but not completely. BTW, I did read the above post.

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28. Posted:

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For now, yes the DS Lite is FAR better, The DSi has nothing that justifies its cost for such a minimal upgrade. However, a year down the line I may very well change my tune. We'll have to wait and see.

I have 12 games on the DSi that can never be played on the DS Lite. I haven't downloaded a single clock or calculator - those 12 games are games.

The amount of time I have played all 12 games more than justifies the DSi's price point - and that's not including the fun I've had with the cameras, MP3 player, and the potential for more to come.

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29. Posted:

I think that the DSi has only 1 flaw
No GBA slot
Who cares about the battery. The DS lite's battery lasts like 10 hours. Will you really play the DSi for 5 hours straight without being able to charge it? and if youre using it for longer than 5 hours,just turn down the brightness

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Token_Girl

30. Posted:

I didn't have a DS, so I really debated this. I have a gba, so if I never see a VC, it won't be the end of the world for me. With a DS lite, wouldn't save a whole lot of space carrying around a gba, since i'd need to carry around the games. Plus, if i want to play gb/gbc games, I'd need to carry around either my gbc or gba anyways. The only thing it would really matter for is Guitar Hero (don't care), or transferring Pokemon from fire red/leaf green (since I think you can get all the Kanto Pokemon in Gold/Silver that won't be a problem once the DS remakes come out).

I really like mighty flip champs, so hopefully with more cheap and fun games like that it'll be awesome. I also like you can use both types of wireless. I don't use it much for internet browsing (have an iphone), but it'll be sweet for playing games online. A VC would really be icing on the cake for me, so I wouldn't have to carry other games around, could play old gb games with a backlight, and not have to dig though ebay to find old carts.

To be honest though, if I had a DS or DS Light already, I'd probably not upgrade until I got a VC. It's enough for me to choose a DSi over a DS Lite, but not enough for me to buy a DS twice.

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31. Posted:

AlexSays wrote:

Contrary to popular belief, the DSi doesn't have any extra hardware for games, so it won't be getting any exclusive retail games. Regular DS owners will never miss out when it comes to retail games.

Contrary to AlexSays idiotic fanboyish rambles the DSi actually has four times the RAM. (Source- Here and Here)
Also, the DS Phat/Lite has a combined 100 MHz CPU(s) and the DSi has a 133 MHz main CPU, yes only the main CPU is more powerful than the DS Phat/Lites main processor and co-processor combined!
Compared to the DS Lite this is a gaming PC.

And, on top of that the GBA has a 32-bit 16.8 MHz processor (the DSi is a 64-bit machine) so if they work hard, the emu should work.

Also, I was right!

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warioswoods

32. Posted:

Oh look, it's the recurring debate about the DSi's specs, complete with the usual suspects, and AlexSays throwing out ungrounded conjecture as fact.

Once again, here's a more reasoned look at the situation:

  • The DSi does indeed have a considerably faster CPU and four times the RAM of the DS Lite.
  • These upgraded specs are necessary for certain new features like the cameras and real-time distortion effects, smoother web browser, music playback with manipulation, etc.
  • Nintendo specifically confirmed that there will be two new varieties of retail games on the shelves eventually: DSi-enhanced games, which will run on either system but will offer special features on the DSi; and DSi-exclusive games, that will not run at all on a standard DS/Lite.
  • We don't know a whole lot about what these games will look like or how prevalent they will be, and it all depends greatly upon the success of the DSi going forward, as well as the related install-base to cost calculations made by developers.
  • We do know, however, that these exclusive retail games will be accessing the special features of the DSi, like using the cameras in real-time for various gameplay innovations.
  • If these exclusive games are able to access the special features of the DSi, they'll need to access the full specs that are required in order to use these features smoothly, so exclusive retail games will certainly be breaking the CPU and RAM limits of the DS Lite, at least while completing these special functions.
  • Knowing how Nintendo's hardware generally works, if a game's code is able to use the additional RAM or CPU at all, it should be able to use it for whatever purpose it chooses; it isn't like a locked-down system where you could only access the upgraded specs in limited contexts through some kind of driver or abstraction layer.
  • Conclusion: although this topic necessarily involves a good bit of speculation regarding the future, based on a reasoned consideration of the best information out there, it makes the most sense to conclude that DSi-exclusive retail games could make full use of the more powerful hardware of the DSi. Whether they actually do so or not, however, depends greatly on the developers themselves and their willingness going forward to throw development funding at retail releases that a good portion of the DS install base will not be able to play. That practical question remains to be answered.
  • Additional conclusion: what AlexSays lacks in arguments and reasoning, he more than makes up for in brazen self-certainty.

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33. Posted:

The DSi obviously. DSiVC WILL come. Give it some time. As for lost of GBA slot, so? Solution to that is use your old GBA. I only have 1 GBA game, even though its one of the best GBA games (Fire Emblem), and I barely play it. And when I do play it, I can just use my sisters old Lite.

And ouch AlexSays. You need to do your research.

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Odnetnin

34. Posted:

@warioswoods Thank you, thank you. I was starting to believe that there would be no DSi-exclusive or -enhanced games for the shiny new system, and all because of AlexSays's credibility.

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y2josh

35. Posted:

The real question is... is the DSi worth the 170$. In my opinion no. If everyone else would have thought the same way they would have lowered the price quicker... and they would have made the new handheld they pushed back, because the DSi done so great, which will have the same features that the DSi upgraded to I'm sure. Had to throw in my other 2 cents.

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36. Posted:

It's like comparing 2 different makes/models of a car. Some have features that appeal so some people, and some have other features. If you don't like the features of the new model, get over it. Why do people still feel the need to gripe at us that have moved on?

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Raptor78

37. Posted:

Jerichoholic+Josh wrote:

The real question is... is the DSi worth the 170$. In my opinion no. If everyone else would have thought the same way they would have lowered the price quicker... and they would have made the new handheld they pushed back, because the DSi done so great, which will have the same features that the DSi upgraded to I'm sure. Had to throw in my other 2 cents.

As far as I was aware the story around the new handheld they pushed back had been refered to the time when Nintendo considerd having a gaming trinity which consisted of The home console, the gameboy and the DS. But due to the success of the DS and NOT the DSi the evolution of the GBA was pushed back. They hadnt relised exactly how well the DS was going to be accepted and were planning on continuing the Gameboy.
The DSi was concieved shortly after the wii was released with the idea that the wii was for groups of gamers and familys where as the DSi was suppposed to be something personal and individual.
As far as price goes, in the UK the price difference was about the price of a game and the 1000 nintendo points acted as a nice bonus and now that the Black DSi / Proffesor Layton package is out for the same price as the original DSi it really isnt as pricey as people think.

This comes from a proud current owner of original see through GBA, a couple of SP's, Silver Phat DS, a white DS Lite and of course a white DSi.

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38. Posted:

I haven't found anything that makes the DSi a viable purchase for me after getting the DS Lite, which I only got because the classic one was broken.

The DSiWare stuff mostly sucks big time. Clocks and Calculators.... yeah....cool....NOT. The only thing that looked cool was the new Mario vs. DK. But I already played Mario vs. DK 2 and the new game seemed much more of a level pack rather than a new game.

I don't care about camera's and all that stuff, but I do care about being able to play my big pile of old GBA games.

If you do not already own a DS Lite I guess its not really worth it. At least not if you want to play GBA games.

If they add a proper "Virtual Handheld" on the other hand, the story will be entirely different. That would just kick ass. But for now, I do not have a reason to buy a DSi.

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39. Posted:

I have a dsi and i like waaaay betetr than a ds lite. Also my battery has never been on red since i got it and i dont charge it much either. It is super awesome and with no gba slot it doesnt matter. the gba was like backup wen ds first came out cuz nintendo didnt no if ds would b good. now they no and dont need back up. also no one is forcing you to upgade so dont whien about it..im just saying i LOVE MY DSI

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40. Posted:

The Dsi is way beter.

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