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GameOtaku

If the older models simply aren't up to the task (I still think they can) then Nintendo should do remastered editions along the lines of Segas 3D classics. What do you think or would a SNES classics remix be out of the question?

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gcunit

I think Nintendo would have started by now if it was ever going to happen, but who knows?

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My problem with Nintendos reason just doesn't work out. If a modder can get it to run decently then Nintendo should be able to do even better. Emulators are just programs so optimizing the SNES VC for older models is just harder than the new. I don't know why people keep going on about special chips, ROMs don't use chips it's just space on a memory card now not a cart.

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mystman12

@GameOtaku Modders can't get SNES emulators to run efficiently on the O3DS. And Nintendo isn't going to release Virtual Console games that only run "decently". On top of that, Nintendo needs to ensure it runs well and still allows for HOME menu access and all of its features, which gives them less power to work with than modders.

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@GameOtaku The sound on that is terribly choppy and according to the comments many games don't run. I would be very upset if I bought super Mario World and it sounded like that. And on top of that, it doesn't have to worry about running the HOME menu features in the background.

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GameOtaku

Considering it was a non Nintendo employee who got it to run proves that it's possible, Nintendo wouldn't need to hack or anything to get it to run.

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gcunit

@GameOtaku I feared you were going to get onto this part of the topic. It's been done to death already:

"But emulators..."
"But emulators don't..."
"But if Nintendo emulators..."
"But Nintendo don't/haven't so just get used to it".

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@GameOtaku just because you have low standards when it comes to stuff like that doesn't mean everyone else does as well ...
I dare you to play through Super Metroid on the original 3DS, you won't be able to do it. Not without a f***load of frustration and hours upon hours of trying to do get past one point in the game at least.

People already complain about Nintendo selling VC games that run well on the system for the prices they have, what do you think will happen if they decided to sell games that run like trash?

You can probably emulate N64 games that run at like 3 or 4fps on the 3DS, but would you buy that? Are you seriously trying to tell me you'd pay 10 or more dollar, euro or w/e the heck you use for something that simply doesn't work?

The "emulator's can do it" argument is beyond petty, because it's not true.
Emulators can't run these games as well as people want, or in some cases need, them to run.

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GameOtaku

The SNES only has a 3.5 MHz processor, o3ds 268 MHz and you're telling me that's not enough? That's at least 80 times more powerful! Sure SOME games may not but MOST will run to the standard needed. I think it's a crap move bear the end of its life Nintendo screws over the majority of 3ds owners (we asked for it for a long time) and they put it on the Advance SP of the 3ds family. At least Sega is doing great by its fans and making cheap 3D remasters.

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Then I must have only imagined emulating in 2000 on a computer way less advanced than the 3ds with Windows 98 running Sailor Moon Another Story and Sailor Moon SuperS Fighting. 3D games like ocarina of time require more resources than SNES games!

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@Ichi
No it doesn't there's not much to SNES games, they are 16 bit. Super smash bros 3ds shuts down most of the system to run on older 3ds and restarts upon return to home. If that's all the SNES games will do then no big problem. NES games didn't get pixel perfect option but SNES did? Cmon it may be "easier" on the new 3ds but certainly not impossible for the old.

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@Ichi
Yeah I've read about it it takes at least 4ghz for accuracy and the new 3ds can't do it.

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JohnBlackstar

I think Nintendo is being truthful on this one. The SNES had a few chipsets and in some cases like Mario Kart it had special chipsets on the game itself to run them. To emulate all of those chips is a lot of work for the 3ds to handle unless they have the most elegant programmer of all time putting together the code. This is why the Genesis was always easier to emulate back in the day because it mainly just used one chipset.

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GameOtaku

Still boils down to that some could work and well. Take Pokemon for example, they modified it for Pokemon bank and online trading so does that mean it's not true emulation? Or make a version specifically to run on older models.

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Ichi wrote:

No, it doesn't. For it to work well, the games require at least 300 MHz, and it still needs a lot of work.

Basically, either something is emulated or it's running natively. Just because something is emulated doesn't mean you can't add features to it.

What about Sega 3D classics? Isn't that emulation but with extra add ons? (ex Genesis 1 or 2, Japan or international, button mapping, save states) as you said although emulated you can still as features.
Either way it's still a crap move by Nintendo to screw old users. With it nearing time for a new handheld, I see this as a way to just move some new 3ds units. Which is more profit 10000 new 3ds or 20000 VC games?
10000x200=2,000,000
20000x8= 160,000
Math can be harsh, with greed on the mind!

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GameOtaku

I'm probably older than both of you. Nintendo could've made it available to everyone not necessarily emulation but ports or collections like Megaman legacy. Don't you think it's odd that we have been asking since they started putting VC on 3ds for the SNES games only to wait till the end of its life to put them on a slightly updated system with only 2 (3 since e3) that run specially for it? Those numbers were just theoretical, but what is the hot market in retro gaming right now? 16 bit SNES and Genesis! I own a SNES but I'm not paying $200 for a cart of earthbound. Besides that October tgey said flatly no more VC titles and less than 5 months later look what happened. You'd think they would at least put more NES or Gameboy VC on to make up for it.

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In October of last year, Nintendo said there was no more VC coming. Auto correct needs correcting.

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Pahvi

@Ichi As a whole, I concur with you, but I'm not so sure of the install base after hearing some stories around. I mean, stories of people who have multiple variants of the same system? This or that limited release 3DS? And old systems that possibly haven't been actively used - think Wii around 2011-2012. The install base is there even today (unless I misunderstand the meaning of the word), but releasing a game on Wii wouldn't sell well. If anything, I feel that given that N3DS is much newer product than O3DS, the people who bought one are more likely to still use it. Still, this is just an ambiguous fudge factor.

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