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Topic: Nintendo needs to continue VC for old 3ds

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Bass_X0

No excuse for this!

They've simply moved on. Just like with the NES Classic. If you had a Wii U, you'll have noticed they have also moved on from releasing NES and SNES games. We haven't had either for a long time now, the SNES even longer. Sure they could still release NES and SNES games on Wii U VC, but it seems obvious they just don't want to. It's all GBA, DS, N64 and Wii games these days and even then they only come about two or three games a month.

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@Bass_X0
Or they could release gba VC on 3ds like they did for the ambassador program. The games were playable so what if they didn't have the bells and whistles of VC titles you could still save the games normally. The 3ds has life still in it Nintendo said so themselves so it just seems to make sense to give the majority of your customers the service. WiiU is dead at this point and the switch hasn't gotten the VC service yet.

Honestly if Nintendo does want to stop illegal emulation should they not give customers access to those games. If not then they honestly have no right to complain if people emulate illegally, if they are not actively trying to make money on it, then really the only other options are to either sell your left arm and kidney for some of the more expensive carts like earthbound and Castlevania Legends or fire up an emu and risk legal repercussions.

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Octane

@GameOtaku Emulation is tricky, the 3DS probably can't run SNES ga... Wait..! Déjà vu! Nope, I'm outta here.

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@Octane
Different thread but from videos I've seen of SNES emu on 3ds it looks entirely playable. But that's another thread.

Take Earthbound Beginnings and Star Tropics for example, both are Nintendo IPs so no license issues there.

@Bass_X0
Gba VC on WiiU also hasn't had any for over a year either so it's just as sporadic.

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HDXylophone

The O3DS can run SNES and GBA games, although I'll leave out SNES, since I don't know how homebrew manages it. As far as GBA games go, I get giving the Ambassadors something special, but GBA games for purchase on 3DS would be awesome! On the save state issue, it's not an issue, since not many GBA games need save states the way older games do. Another thing I'd love, even if it won't happen, is the ability to buy full DS games on the eShop.

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Bass_X0

GBA Rayman just got released in America.

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JoeDiddley

I hope there is a lull because the teams are getting a big vc library ready for the Switch.

But that's wishful thinking after the drip feed strategy on the last 3 services.

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flightsaber

I know that physically this is just releasing a rom, but legally this is a lot more challenging. Even for games Nintendo owned and published, some of the old software might have a licensing agreement with the musician that scored the game requiring a percentage of sales. Depending on the law of the country the game or asset was produced in, a contract allowing a percentage of sales might require a renegotiation of licensing fees for a re-release. For non-nintendo games, even the publisher that produced the boxart might be legally entitled to a percentage of sales, even though no boxart is used for the re-release. Failing to talk to the people contractually obligated to receive a cut might result in a lawsuit in the future. And savvy artists or musicians might even choose to renegotiate on a per-console basis to try to get a bigger cut next time if the install base increases, causing the whole process to restart for the same rom on a different system. 25 years might seem like forever in the gaming industry...but entertainment contracts in general typically last much longer, and for early games especially, contracts likely weren't well designed to be future-proof.

Then there are tricky situations, like rare games currently owned by Microsoft. Licensing negotiations are done with direct competitors, resulting in agreements like the one that allowed the old Banjo games to head to Xbox while DKC games released on Wii. We will likely never see Banjo on a Nintendo console.

A few of these games are re-releasing in different forms. Disney might be less willing to offer Ducktales for sale now that they just released a classic collection including Ducktails on most platforms. Others might hold off to keep that potential source of revenue for later. Chrono Trigger comes to mind - it released on ios, where Square-Enix took in virtually all the money from every sale. If apple chose not to take a cut on that game to ensure that ios had a quality rpg early on, then a competitive cut might leave Nintendo actually losing money on hosting fees.

Bottom line, VC games ARE being held back to drip-feed consumers between major releases, but are also often held back due to the need for license re-negotiation. That said, the owners of some of these assets have contracts that expire after a set number of years, or have changed hands recently to a more willing publisher. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron, for instance, had its license transfer from Lucasarts to Disney recently. And both Valve and CD Projekt negotiated for rights to a PC re-release for the first time last year, something they couldn't agree on beforehand.

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@flightsaber
I highly doubt it's as complex as that. Really all I see is wasted opportunities left and right. By my count there's 13 Power Rangers games spanning across the SNES, GB/GBC and GBA! Fans of the series or people wanting nostalgia from their childhoods would literally eat it up since the new movie came out! Or like last years wasted opportunity of the suicide squad movie a perfect chance to release the NES batman games which are arguably the best. Or even more recent with Bomberman R on switch they released the tg16 versions of older Bombermans but what about the many Gameboy Bombermans especially Wario Blast that just screams best team up for promoting the new game!

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Bass_X0

There's still rights issues with licensed games. The old developers generally don't have the license now and don't care enough to get it back despite a big movie of a popular character in theaters their game was based on. Too much money and too much risk. However, I do see licensed old games returning on PS4 like Super Star Wars which was never released on Wii U VC. PlayStation must be a safer option than Nintendo.

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subpopz

"The 3ds has life still in it Nintendo said so themselves"
Nintendo said the exact same thing about the GBA. That DS wasn't going to replace it, it was a different system, they were going to keep supporting GBA. Yeah....as soon as DS took off, GBA was killed off and buried. Same thing is going to happen with 3DS and it makes little sense for them to pour a bunch of work into a system they're going to drop when Switch gets into position to replace it (let alone putting work into releasing inaccurate emulatio on the older, outdated original 3DS models).
When they say it still has life in it, they mean the last batch of games that were in development for it are going to come out this year as the focus phases to Switch.
People want the VC on the Switch, obviously that's where the VC work is going.

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GameOtaku

3ds is still the cheaper option especially considering its install base. And if what most are hoping for comes true that VC purchases would carry over to the switch then there's really no downside.

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Bass_X0

I would like Super Game Boy powered Game Boy games on Switch. Every Game Boy game would play as if it was running on a Super Game Boy, right down to the borders, colors and menus. The 3DS VC didn't gve us that, letting the likes of Donkey Kong to played in regular black and white.

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@Bass_X0
I don't know why they didn't add the option for the GBC palletes. 12 additional color palettes would have been awesome especially for games like Metroid 2 or the Castlevania Adventure.

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Seeing how Nintendo is committed to continuing the 3ds line in lieu of the new 2ds, I think it's high time they released more NES, Gameboy, GBC, gba, tg16 and Gamegear titles to 3ds VC. Really what they need is a VC release calendar, tell what games are in the works and when we should expect them instead of dropping it on Wednesday every week what VC we should expect.

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Who's ready for some virtual console releases tomorrow?!

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Bass_X0

Well they're giving us Pokémon Silver and Gold on GBC. That doesn't mean a renewed interest in 3DS VC though.

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KingMike

I wonder if they're saving Crystal for something.
I assume there's going to be some connection with Johto and USM, as there was Kanto and SM.
Will we get a Sun/Moon 3?

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GameOtaku

With the Netflix Castlevania taking off soon you'd think Konami would be putting out the remaining Gameboy Castlevania VC to promote said series. Or Nintendo could transfer NES games from the WiiU VC to 3ds, and besides there is still quite a bit of first party games to not make it to VC like Solar Striker or Star Tropics.

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Angelic_Lapras_King

GameOtaku wrote:

With the Netflix Castlevania taking off soon you'd think Konami would be putting out the remaining Gameboy Castlevania VC to promote said series. Or Nintendo could transfer NES games from the WiiU VC to 3ds, and besides there is still quite a bit of first party games to not make it to VC like Solar Striker or Star Tropics.

If the series was a success, they'd probably do something like a remake of 3, the game itrs based on, not release age old GB titles which as the 3DS VC proved, hardly anyone was interested in.

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