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Topic: Nintendo needs to continue VC for old 3ds

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GameOtaku

@skywake
Not at all the VC is the main reason I bought a 3ds. Classic games emu legally on the go! Do you hear yourself?! Just because the new 3ds does have SNES doesn't matter much to me anymore, hey they gotta sell em somehow. They just dropped the ball on VC releases in general even for the new 3ds.

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skywake

@GameOtaku
Well I'm fairly sure that SNES VC does matter to you given you were the one who brought it up. I was simply saying that there's not much reason for Nintendo to do a big push for the VC on Wii U or 3DS at this stage. Their audience is moving to the Switch starting with the most dedicated fans who are the audience most likely to be interested in the VC.

As I said, the question now isn't whether or not the 3DS/Wii U VC will expand. Because they won't at any pace worth creating a thread for. The question is whether or not the games we've already purchased on the VC will be recognised when they inevitably launch the service on the Switch. A console which will be able to run a service that covers more systems than the Wii U and 3DS.

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@skywake
Nintendo seems to contradict themselves, NES, tg16 and n64 VC on the past month on the dead WiiU but no VC for 3ds since November of last year. How does that make sense, it invalidates your argument.

I only bring up SNES since that's the only thing they think the new 3ds is good for.

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skywake

@GameOtaku
It's not like the Wii U VC is bursting at the seams. They added a few more N64 games which BTW was a system that has been on the Wii U VC for a long while. They also added TurboGrafx games which covered only a fraction of the PC Engine games on the Japanese Wii U VC. And instead of those? The 3DS got Pokemon including the ability to transfer Pokemon to Sun/Moon.

As I said, they've wound back the VC service on both Wii U and 3DS. If what you want is for them to rapidly expand the VC on either of these platforms? You're setting yourself up for disappointment. If we are to want anything from the VC at this stage it should be a seamless transition to the VC on the Switch. That's what we should be hoping for.

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@skywake
I'm hoping you are wrong. Someone on another thread mentioned that the Wii VC didn't dry up till much later in the WiiU life. It would have made a lot more sense to release wario blast over bomberman 64 since it would be available to a wider audience. Same thing with only releasing SNES VC only in the past year for 3ds. Wouldn't it have made more sense to release other games in conjunction with it that 2ds and 3ds can since the new can play what the other 2 can?!

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Bass_X0

I think the real reason is that they're not making that much money from 3DS VC games.

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@Bass_X0
Are you suggesting that it's more profitable to release VC for the dead WiiU rather than the 3ds/2ds?

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Bass_X0

I think they will continue to release VC games on Wii U until the Switch gets its own VC service.

And yes, I do think its still profitable for Nintendo. However they are focusing on releasing the most expensive VC titles right now and not the low cost NES and SNES games. Wii, N64 and DS games generally offer a longer length and greater enjoyment for one game than several NES and GB games that add up to the same cost. You could compare the shortest and least entertaining N64 game against the longest and most entertaining VC games on 3DS, but thats not the point.

It could also be said that 3DS already has many great games at retail and on eshop that it doesn't need the extra boost of having a VC whereas the Wii U does just to keep it on life support a little while longer. I have only been buying VC games for my Wii U lately; games for consoles not supported by the 3DS. I'm not against the 3DS VC, but I can see why the general public would prefer to download GBA, DS, N64 and Wii games on VC than NES and GB games. That said, I hope the Switch VC supports the Game Boy and Game Boy Color when it eventually arrives, but it probably won't.

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Edgey, Gumshoe, Godot, Sissel, Larry, then Mia, Franziska, Maggie, Kay and Lynne.

I'm throwing my money at the screen but nothing happens!

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@ Bass_X0
In my opinion they just have a lazy department doing minimal work per week only dumping one ROM a week, honestly if they put half as much effort as sega did with its 3D classic emu games then it would explain the lull.

Most expensive VC titles?! What about Castlevania Legends?! It's $60 used that's a pretty expensive Gameboy game and is certainly way better than the Adventure. Not many own a WiiU but there's a lot of original 3ds and 2ds still around so to me it would make more sense to please the masses. I'm mostly using my 3ds for VC (except bm zero) I practically own the biggest majority of the 3ds VC. (Except the crappy sports titles) I think they should bring the games exclusive to WiiU VC (that's practical for example duck hunt is a no no but Bayou Billy would be great since it doesn't require the zapper or games that are there own ips like the StarTropics series)

And if the switch won't support Gameboy then it would stand to reason to continue VC support for the 3ds/2ds.

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Bass_X0

Sales of used games don't count since Nintendo won't see a penny from a $60 resale of Castlevania Legends, plus I was referring to expensive games as the cost of downloadng a VC game from the eshop. Why release one game for $3 when you can release another game from a different platform for $10? I doubt the costs of getting an N64 game rated for release is much more than a GB game, but I don't know either way.

Edgey, Gumshoe, Godot, Sissel, Larry, then Mia, Franziska, Maggie, Kay and Lynne.

I'm throwing my money at the screen but nothing happens!

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@Bass_X0
Seeing how they don't rerate movies for rerelease, it should be its original rating or if it had no esrb rating have it called unrated but suggested for blah blah blah......

Or do something like Natsume and release games as promotional or anniversary (power rangers natsume games for SNES Gameboy color and harvest moon 64 for the series anniversary)

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Bass_X0

No, sorry. That's not how the gaming industry works. As far as my understanding goes, games cannot be released without an ESRB rating (although maybe XBOX Live indie games and crappy rip-off Steam and mobile games don't need them, I don't know). That includes VC gamea too which require a new rating, even if they have already been rated by the ESRB years ago.

Anyway, I think Nintendo have stopped other publishers from releasing VC games on 3DS. If it was just a matter of decreased interest, I think some publishers would have continued releasing games for it, even if it was very few a year.

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@Bass_X0
If it was a matter of decreased interest the WiiU VC would have already perished a long time ago.

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Since Rayman is being released on WiiU tomorrow, I'm hoping this means some 3ds VC is in order!

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Ryu_Niiyama

Doubtful, I think 3ds VC is pretty much dead at this point. I would say that Nintendo has more reason to want users to upgrade from 3ds to Switch than WiiU as there is a larger install base to grow from.

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@Ryu_Niiyama
The WiiU is so dead its attracting flies. It should be an easy copy and paste of NES titles from WiiU to 3ds take StarTropics, Bayou Billy, Earthbound Beginnings and Double Dragon 3 for example. Same with Gameboy games or how about tg16 VC Japan has them so why don't they make the jump to?

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Ryu_Niiyama

@GameOtaku So again, I was talking about install base being a possible reason for not offering VC on 3DS. 3DS has a higher install base and thus Nintendo would want to give incentive for those users to upgrade to the newer system. It is also an install base split by the n3ds and 3ds/2ds lines which does have an impact on VC (snes being n3ds only). Also licensing is involved all around, we don't know when Ubisoft put in their contract to put Rayman on the WiiU VC. Both of my points stand with your comments about GB VC and TG16 VC as well.

...Dev work is not copy paste. Same with game ratings submissions. You know better than that. There is a process involved and Nintendo may not deem it a decent ROI. Also with the Switch out and VC most likely on the way in a few months...their priorities aren't on the 3ds line for VC.

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@Ryu_Niiyama
They've announced nothing if VC on switch or if purchases would carry over. If it were the case then carrying on VC on all 3 should be profitable for them in the long run. Like I've been discussing with someone else the reason switch may have sold so well is that they starved Zelda fans for a while and now like rabid dogs are all over it.

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Ryu_Niiyama

@GameOtaku I never said that Nintendo announced switch VC yet. "Also with the Switch out and VC most likely on the way in a few months...their priorities aren't on the 3ds line for VC." The newest system is out and Nintendo is shifting focus to it (half the 3ds games we are getting are leftovers from Japan). And that VC is likely (as in, I'm speculating here) on the way. Either way not much reason to focus on 3ds VC.

Considering that we are dealing a new OS with the Switch I doubt that VC will do a 1 to 1 transfer. WiiU ran the Wii os sandboxed so that is a different story. I could see them doing the upgrade price route. Granted they may use the Nintendo ID to track purchases and use that to facilitate any upgrades and that might allow for both handheld and console VC to be pushed to the Switch. I doubt it however.

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Here's a quick list of some NES VC that doesn't require motion controls that is exclusive to WiiU but not on 3ds........
Earthbound Beginnings, Double Dragon 3, Bayou Billy, Uforia, ice hockey, StarTropics 1 and 2, donkey kong Jr. math, pac land, lode runner, dig dug, Mappy land, stinger, dig dug 2, flying dragon secret scroll, baseball sim 1000, flying warriors, Kung fu heroes, little ninja bros.

19 games total! Of those I can count 5 that are Nintendo IPs! No excuse for this!

@Ryu_Niiyama
Nintendo needs to get with the times with crossbuy. The same ps1 game can be purchased once and played across psp, vita and PS3 (no ps1 Classics yet on ps4 yet) there's no difference in gameplay nor is there any enhancements for specific consoles.

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