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SparkOfSpirit

2,701. Posted:

Jazzer94 wrote:

Serious question here I always thought people were most hyped to actually play the game i.e. day 0, does the leak really effect this?

It doesn't affect me. I'm still eager to play it.

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2,702. Posted:

I doubt more than just a few people see the leak and get unexcited. Still just as hyped if not more so

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UGXwolf

2,703. Posted:

Jazzer94 wrote:

Serious question here I always thought people were most hyped to actually play the game i.e. day 0, does the leak really effect this?

Oh, boy... That's a subject I'm not sure I have the resources, knowledge, and intelligence to properly tackle. @__@;;

To put it as simply as I can without stepping on any toes, different people play games for different reasons. Oftentimes the same games. Some of us, myself included, Are really big into the surprise factor while others are more into execution and performance, also like myself. Not everyone shares both of these interests, however. Taking the surprise factor out of the game takes a lot of the game's strongest assets out of the picture, and can very much kill the hype for someone who was just excited to see what would happen.

While that's a VERY minimalist explanation, I hope it's enough to get the point across, cause even I'm not sure I wanna write a post long enough to properly explain the psychology behind gaming and why the surprise factor is so important to a game like Smash. Suffice it to say that if an element is important to the developer, it will inevitably become important to the audience. I do feel Smash 4 loses a lot of its charm without the element of surprise, but then I have other reasons I want to play.

While I doubt many people will outright refuse to buy the game because the roster has been spoiled, that general giddiness that some of us experience at seeing newcomers will be greatly diminished if we know it's coming. For instance, a lot of people talk about unlocking Mewtwo or unlocking Wolf for the first time and how it caught them by surprise and they were so shocked to see those characters in the game. I didn't experience this same shock because I knew they were there and I knew how to unlock them. I actually found Melee to be very boring for this reason. Once I'd unlocked all characters and stages, there was little else for me to do, and with no one to play with, I just completely lost interest. Brawl had a fix to this problem, being a ton of unlocks beyond characters and stages, but I'm hoping Smash 4's online is enough to keep me playing for months or even years.

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SockoMario

2,704. Posted:

Back when I first got Brawl, and had fun with it; I wanted to know how to unlock the other characters and stages. I didn't want to blindly unlock everything, because that would be a pain and would take forever.

This leak actually has me a little more hyped for the game. I don't understand why the leak killed hype for people just because some of the unannounced fighters were shown. You're going to know who all of them are in a few weeks, and even if you do try to avoid it until October, you're still going to know who the fighters are. It's pretty impossible to avoid spoilers for this type of game.

Also, are some of you people seriously try and unlock all the characters blindly without looking it up? Some of the fighters are pretty cryptic to unlock, so good luck!

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RR529

2,705. Posted:

SockoMario wrote:

Also, are some of you people seriously try and unlock all the characters blindly without looking it up? Some of the fighters are pretty cryptic to unlock, so good luck!

I don't know how it'll work here, but in Brawl, there were multiple ways to unlock characters.

In fact, you could unlock everyone by doing nothing more than standard VS matches. I think the "hardest" character to unlock in this manner only became available after like 500 or 800 matches, but still, that's just more time consuming than it is hard or confusing.

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NintyMan

2,706. Posted:

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Jazzer94

2,707. Posted:

UGXwolf wrote:

Jazzer94 wrote:

Serious question here I always thought people were most hyped to actually play the game i.e. day 0, does the leak really effect this?

Oh, boy... That's a subject I'm not sure I have the resources, knowledge, and intelligence to properly tackle. @__@;;

To put it as simply as I can without stepping on any toes, different people play games for different reasons. Oftentimes the same games. Some of us, myself included, Are really big into the surprise factor while others are more into execution and performance, also like myself. Not everyone shares both of these interests, however. Taking the surprise factor out of the game takes a lot of the game's strongest assets out of the picture, and can very much kill the hype for someone who was just excited to see what would happen.

While that's a VERY minimalist explanation, I hope it's enough to get the point across, cause even I'm not sure I wanna write a post long enough to properly explain the psychology behind gaming and why the surprise factor is so important to a game like Smash. Suffice it to say that if an element is important to the developer, it will inevitably become important to the audience. I do feel Smash 4 loses a lot of its charm without the element of surprise, but then I have other reasons I want to play.

While I doubt many people will outright refuse to buy the game because the roster has been spoiled, that general giddiness that some of us experience at seeing newcomers will be greatly diminished if we know it's coming. For instance, a lot of people talk about unlocking Mewtwo or unlocking Wolf for the first time and how it caught them by surprise and they were so shocked to see those characters in the game. I didn't experience this same shock because I knew they were there and I knew how to unlock them. I actually found Melee to be very boring for this reason. Once I'd unlocked all characters and stages, there was little else for me to do, and with no one to play with, I just completely lost interest. Brawl had a fix to this problem, being a ton of unlocks beyond characters and stages, but I'm hoping Smash 4's online is enough to keep me playing for months or even years.

Okay this was an interesting take on things especially the end which is what I'm going to mostly focus on. I don't think secrets are really that important for smash, for me the excitement has always been found playing smash with others and not so much getting excited about trophy and song unlocks (though I still enjoy those greatly), when I refer to the day zero feeling I'm talking about that feeling of actually working out how everything reacts with each that for me is where the excitement mostly comes from and the experimentation with others. I can still remember the day I got Brawl as I had just comeback from a 2 week school trip that very day (a Friday IIRC),, six of my friends actual stayed round my house that weekend an we literally played the game constantly trying all the stages, items and characters (as they appeared) for me that is why I'm excited from smash and why a leak doesn't really change my excitement. I think if surprise is one of the things that matters most when it comes to Smash for someone they probably needed to have avoided the internet for the last 3 years as the whole roster has slowly been spoiled by Nintendo themselves since day one.

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TeeJay

2,708. Posted:

I personally don't care about knowing all the secrets of Smash games before I play. I don't play Smash for the surprise factor. I play just to play. I find the actual gameplay of each individual battle is a different and highly entertaining experience every time and that's what I play it for. If anything, unlocking everyone is an inconvenience. I just want to play...

Now for a different game, say, a Phoenix Wright game which is heavy on story and plot twists, then yes I would rather know as little about the game and story as possible so I can have the full effect of every plot turn and surprise development. Those are my views.

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2,710. Posted:

Now that's how you do a commercial!

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2,711. Posted:

@Jazzer94 I'm going to post this video to hopefully save myself a lot of time and carpel tunnel trying to type it all out:

To put it shortly, I thrive on gaming types A and C. Since I had no one to play Melee with, playing with others wasn't a draw for me, and same goes for Brawl. I'm hoping for Smash 4's online to be worthwhile, cause it's my only hope at fulfilling that social interaction, but until then, the challenges, unlocks, surprises, and progress are going to keep me occupied. Even if you argue that we would've known the whole roster by then, there's still this steady drip of information that would've kept us satisfied until launch. Characters likely wouldn't been known all at once, especially with people playing blind, there's no telling how long it'll take to unlock the whole roster. We probably won't get it all at once, but a few chunks at a time, by the end of which, the game will be close enough for it to not matter, anymore.

@RR529 Wolf is the hardest character to unlock. The three ways to unlock him are by going back to The Ruins after beating Subspace Emissary and finding his hidden door, completing Boss Mode on Hard with either Fox or Falco (why would you do this? Option one is easier and you naturally run into it trying to unlock Boss Mode.) Or you could just play 450 VS. matches.

@SockoMario Considering all characters could be unlock within 450 VS. Matches or by trying to completely Subspace Emissary, going Blind into Brawl wasn't really so detrimental to your sanity. On the other hand, didn't Game & Watch require like 1000 VS. Matches or something, if you were gonna do it that way? Or you could just clear Classic Mode with all 24 other characters... Or was it Break the Targets? I forget, now.

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TeeJay

2,712. Posted:

You also unlock Toon Link by beating Subspace and then going back to a specific stage and entering a door.

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UGXwolf

2,713. Posted:

@TeeJay I think he's in The Forest and Jigglypuff, too. She's in The Swamp, I think.

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2,714. Posted:

I pointed this out on Miiverse and I saw it on reddit... On Club Nintendo, if you fill out the 'Plan to Buy' survey for Smash Bros 3DS, the question asking about your sources of information for the game gives 'Download service (trial version)' as an option. Possible demo on the way? We can only hope! I have my doubts honestly but you never know..

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2,715. Posted:

Whopper744 wrote:

I pointed this out on Miiverse and I saw it on reddit... On Club Nintendo, if you fill out the 'Plan to Buy' survey for Smash Bros 3DS, the question asking about your sources of information for the game gives 'Download service (trial version)' as an option. Possible demo on the way? We can only hope! I have my doubts honestly but you never know..

The downloadable version's survey still has the same questions about whether you're preordering it and whether you're getting it new or used so I wouldn't take it at face value. It's just the same Plan-to-buy survey as the rest of them.

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2,716. Posted:

Y'know, Smash is one of the few games where I stay entertained watching others fight competitively. XD
...Although, I don't think Project M will count...
Well, other games from its series is cool to just watch as well.

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When the game comes out and everybody's playin' it, Street Fighter IV is now forgotten.

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"Here's one of the final battles in Smash Run, called "Run!" As you'd expect, it involves you dashing toward the finish line. In general, the fighters who are fast by default, equipped with speed-boosting equipment, and powered-up with speed boosts over the course of that Smash Run will have the advantage. However, speed isn't the only factor that will determine who will be victorious... "

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"Those red things in the picture are called danger zones, and if you touch one, you'll get penalized by respawning farther back in the stage!! The danger zones disappear after someone else touches them, so fighters following those in the lead will have an advantage. You can still find speed boosts throughout the stage, so it'll be a heated battle 'till the end!!"

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"Here's another final battle called "Climb!" Obviously, those that can jump or fly higher will have the advantage, but they also have to avoid the danger zones!! It gets pretty challenging if you've boosted your speed too much, as well. Everyone really gets into this when playing multiplayer."

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