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roy130390

@skywake You pretty much answered why your example isn't comparable with a request about Super Mario Maker. Also, sure, it doesn't interest you, but that doesn't make it silly or irrelevant for everyone, simple as that.

They aren't required to listen, Im not saying they are villains or anything like that and I'm perfectly aware that they chose not to include online for a reason, however it doesn't mean they are right or that they can't change their minds. Games are business for them, and if demand justifies it, they can choose to modify an aspect of a game in development.

I never said I don't like the idea of the game, I'm saying that the lack of that feature cripples it. I can vote with my wallet, but I can also sign that petition and see if it goes somewhere. If it doesn't, it won't hurt me, not one little bit.

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skywake

@roy130390
My entire point was that it wasn't comparable. There's a time for petitions and this isn't one of those times. The more petitions are used for trivial stuff like this the less effective they are when they are for stuff that actually matters.

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roy130390

@skywake But the one that compared them in the first place was you... I just asked if your goverment would get any kind of economical benefit in return.

That's pretty much your opinion. Petitions are made for requesting things that are plausible, trivial or not, and their impact is relative to the people interested in the matter. Not every petition needs to be something that will change the world, besides if a lot of people show interest in the feature, it could start to be an important deal for Nintendo and something that could be taken into consideration and that could even make them consider feedback in a more serious way.

I'm not telling you to sign it, I'm just telling you why it isn't silly from my perspective. Petitions have accomplished their goals in this kind of things in the past so maybe it could happen again.

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skywake

@roy130390
I never said they were comparable, my entire point was that they weren't. That the only petition I've ever signed was one that was about a multi-billion dollar infrastructure project. One that as a resident and citizen I'll be stuck with for decades. And if you really must know? Their changes were all about saving money in the short term by building a marginally cheaper network that will be less profitable.

Compare that to this petition and petitions like it which are about trivial non-issues. Lobbying groups that aren't at all answerable to the public outside of getting them to buy products. All you're doing is reducing the impact of petitions that are more valid.

Because you know what happened when the 100s of 1000s of signatures were put to the government? They immediately pointed to all the nonsense petitions out there.

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roy130390

@skywake Just by saying a petition is valid and that the other is silly, you are comparing them. As you said, even if they screwed everyone, they chose to ignore them just for saving money in the short term, a benefit for them. On the other hand, with this petition Nintendo could see an even better profit or they could avoid losses they didn't contemplate by modifying the plan they have in mind. They wouldn't do it for the customers, they would do it for themselves, wich makes sense since games are business.

Goverment not hearing people happens since always, with valid petitions or not. I've never seen or heard a serious study or article about petitions losing impact because of this, in fact, I haven't seen any kind of study that validates your point. Maybe there are some out there though. Also, I think most of the times silly petitions end up being discarded before they are actually checked, since they don't accomplish enough precisely because people consider them absurd.

As you said, they aren't really that comparable since they focus on entirely different matters, and business-wise this could prove to be important feedback and not trivial for Nintendo. In the end, iff people don't care, they won't gather enough signatures.

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skywake

@roy130390
The point I made was fairly simple. I've only ever signed one petition and it was for something that was quite a big deal. Super Mario Maker 3DS not having level uploads in contrast is very trivial indeed. It's laughable that someone would create a petition for something like this. Stuff like this makes a mockery of the idea of petitions. Stuff like this is why people don't take online petitions seriously.

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7Z7

Nobody takes seriously the petitions because each time it's the same thing: "A petition is useless."

It is normal that a petition will succeed in anything if nobody sign saying "it is useless." If the petitions were more sustained maybe we get most often what we demand they be taken more seriously.

Now most are defeatist and accept without reacting. And even if they agree with the petition, they did not sign because they know in advance that it will not work.

The petitions for porting Dark Souls or Rogue Assassin's Creed on PC have managed (among many others). I see no reason why that asking an online mode for Mario Maker will be set aside if it is not supported ...

In short, the whole world complains about the absence of the Online but it accepts, then why complain?

But as said roy130390, at least I have the satisfaction of having tried not to have accepted as a sheep

@roy130390 Thank you for your support and your encouragement.

P.S. Sorry for my english very bad.

7Z7

roy130390

@skywake In your opinion, again. There are a lot of people that don't have that perpesctive and the petition is for those people. You pretty much invalidated every point I made just because of how you feel instead of understanding that the point is that trivial or not for you, the petition has a possibility of being considered if it makes sense in their category. Stuff like this isn't why your goverment decided that and many petitions are still triumphing to this day, so there's no objective evidence of what you say. You are just basing it in what you would do in that situation, which is discard a petition just because you find it trivial.

People don't take online petitions seriously because some of them don't make any sense, like demanding Shrek or Goku on Smash Bros or asking a developer to cancel a game after years of development and almost ready for sale. They simply can't do it. They win nothing. There's no logic in doing that. That's how you determine if a petition is absurd.

Making a point about a game in development needing a certain feature in order to succeed in sales can be backed up with logic and support from the interested people.

@7Z7 Don't worry, english also isn't my native language. Thanks for doing the petition!

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roy130390

Freeon-Leon

Wait, do you expect Nintendo to change a game feature just because a petition? Hmm, that's never going to happen.

Check out my super awesome Super Mario Maker levels.

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skywake

Yes, it is my opinion that a petition about a game that's coming out in a few months is trivial. A game that you didn't know even existed until a week ago. A game you can choose not to buy and make your voice heard that way. A game that you are fine with existing and just want an extra mode in it. A game that is already out with the mode you want on a different platform.

Yes that is my opinion and I'm not pretending it isn't an opinion. I'm also not opposing the idea of people making petitions for things I think are a bit silly or pointless. I'm just saying that on the spectrum of petition worthiness? I, personally, wouldn't give it a 10.

I just wrongfully assumed that all these things kinda went without saying..........

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roy130390

@skywake I said in an earlier post that it's unlikely for it to change and that it's probably like this for a reason, specially because I believe that the NX will lauch with it as the definitive portable Mario maker experience.

Choosing not to buy it is another kind of feedback. Just because that option exists doesn't mean that you can try an alernative first.

In my case I'm fine, now consider the other people.

You said it: in a different platform. One that pretty much died because of lack of popularity. One of the reasons why we are receiving this game on 3DS. It takes so much less of me to sign this petition instead of buying a Wii U.

I'm aware that you are entitled to your opinion. I agree that it doesnt have the best possibilities of happening, but as I said they don't lose anything by trying.

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Captain_Toad

If it were possible to like connect the 3ds to WiiU to upload your levels considering the 3ds limitations than this could be the perfect purchase alas the old fashioned way of copying levels brick by brick is the gateway of uploading your 3ds levels to wiiu. Not something I would personally lose sleep over.

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LinktotheFuture

I wonder if there will be an update down the road to include the mystery mushrooms?

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LzWinky

It could be updated later. The no mystery mushroom thing makes less sense unless it's a space issue.

Also, LittleBigPlanet is on the Vita. Hardly comparable.

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PikPi

It was also on the PSP though, with its own online community of levels. Its main drawback was no online multiplayer, which was fixed in the vita version

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roy130390

@Lzeon No, Litle Big Planet appeared since the PSP days, I even had it. I t allowed to share and play created levels online, the only thing that didn't have was multiplayer.

roy130390

SuperGhirahim64

Random question, but does anyone know why the overworld/ground theme from the original Super Mario Bros. has changed in New Super Mario Bros.?

Why choose from a range of great characters like Wario, Waluigi or Baby Luigi, when you have all green jelly Luigi and Toadette. Why have regular Toad and Toadette or another character when you can have a blue or yellow dressed Toad? 😵

Morpheel

The online comunity for LBP PSP was active and going until june or july.

I even filled up my game with levels before the server closed.

Yeah I don’t know either.

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PikPi

Still bummed thus doesn't have online level sharing. Ignoring the ridiculousness of such a decision for a game like this, I was enjoying the thought of being able to play downloaded levels at home on the 3DS. It would be cool if they had 3DS exclusive things in it. Like maybe a handheld Mario filter

PikPi

Dezzy

Can someone give me the summary of what this version includes? I've stupidly ignored most of the media on it.

How does it compare with what level features are available?

And how many levels are available to play?

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