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@Depapier you do realize that a good portion of GCN games required the use of analogue triggers?

Then if so they won't make it to the VC. But that doesn't included:

  • Wind Waker
  • Super Smash Bros Melee
  • Phantasy Star Online
  • Super Mario Sunshine iirc
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  • Sonic Adventure 2 Battle...

The list could go on. Tell me which game you would desperately want on the VC that requires analog triggers.

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83. Posted:

Yes, I think an HD 3DS XL would be amazing!

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84. Posted:

RR529 wrote:

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Will they start off with a big screen and then release a more compact version ala gameboy advance or the reverse like the 3DS?
I think the first option as I think it's actually more costly to make a smaller hd screen as it would require a higher ppi density.
The 3d I'm sure will stay as backwards compatibility has been a standard for Nintendo portable hardware.
HD is also practically a given. It would be a very hard sell to have a SD screen in 2016.

While I do agree HD is a given, I'm pretty sure 3D won't be. Oh they'll be backwards compatibility no doubt, just not in 3D. Most games aside from SM3DL didn't really use it for anything anyway.

Actually, every single game that has 3D, uses it for something. And that something is making the game look prettier. As a visual enhancement, I'm not really sure what else you expect of it.

There isn't a single game on the PS3 or 360 that can't be played just fine on a standard definition television (meaning HD hasn't affected gameplay anymore than 3D has), yet no one is talking about how "useless" it is.

Talk about a strange double standard.

Not everyone likes the 3D effect, though. For some, it hurts their eyes, so it can be detrimental. Plus, there are some people out there that simply cannot see it (be it one-eyed or just visually impaired in some way that makes it so they can't see the effect). Meanwhile, HD is one of those things that everyone can appreciate.

If Nintendo is thinking about their future system and is deciding whether they should implement 3D or HD into their system, which do you think would be more important? Let me phrase it another way: if a system had an HD option, and it didn't effect battery life or system operations or anything else, would anyone choose to turn it off? I doubt it. For 3D, however, I doubt the answer would be the same among all users.

Nintendo has to keep in mind the costs of their system. If money could be saved by not implementing a feature that hardly any people use for extended periods of time, then why spend the money on it? Nintendo could charge less for the system and thus increase profits.

Well, yes, as I pointed out in my post on the last page, people should have the option to turn it off for various issues (some of which you lined out), but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be included at all.

Yes, I suppose if they absolutely had to choose between the two, HD should probably take precedence, but if they can include both, why not? Those of us that can't/don't use it, shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us.

I mean, yes, if people aren't using it, save the money & drop it, but I don't think anyone here has concrete numbers on how many 3DS users are or aren't using it. I guess that's just something we'll find out for sure when Nintendo releases their next handheld.

And all this still doesn't address, why do people expect 3D to effect gameplay? You hear all these comments talking about how outside of SM3DL, no titles have used it to improve gameplay, but I don't think improving gameplay was ever it's purpose in the first place.

The other thing you have to consider is the added development costs/difficulties of implementing 3D that wouldn't be there if Nintendo's next system dropped the feature. I know Hugo Smits for one has been vocal in how much additional programming 3DS games require compared to DS games.

As for why people expect 3D to affect gameplay, that's because it was the headlining feature/gimmick of the 3DS at the time of its launch, and Nintendo certainly marketed it as making a huge difference (similar to the way the Wii U GamePad was marketed at the time of its launch). Nintendo has been very vocal about how they only create a new system when they come up with a meaningful gameplay innovation that cannot be achieved without the new system.

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This is my personal opinion, but if you haven't played Paper Mario Sticker Star, Fire Emblem: Awakening, Mario Kart 7... most Nintendo 3DS games actually, in 3D, we definitely haven't played the same game.

But then it took me the end of my second playthrough of Ocarina of Time 3D to get use to it. The 3D just needs to be better.

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It's important to understand how crappy games like Resident Evil Mercs & Revelations look without the 3D... I can bet that a FPS like Cult County will be awesome with it on ;)

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DePapier wrote:

This is my personal opinion, but if you haven't played Paper Mario Sticker Star, Fire Emblem: Awakening, Mario Kart 7... most Nintendo 3DS games actually, in 3D, we definitely haven't played the same game.

But then it took me the end of my second playthrough of Ocarina of Time 3D to get use to it. The 3D just needs to be better.

I completely agree! when you get used to the 3D it's hard to play without.(unless you play it outside then the 3D on the normal 3DS tends to get a little twisted)

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Well, yes, as I pointed out in my post on the last page, people should have the option to turn it off for various issues (some of which you lined out), but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be included at all.

Yes, I suppose if they absolutely had to choose between the two, HD should probably take precedence, but if they can include both, why not? Those of us that can't/don't use it, shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us.

I mean, yes, if people aren't using it, save the money & drop it, but I don't think anyone here has concrete numbers on how many 3DS users are or aren't using it. I guess that's just something we'll find out for sure when Nintendo releases their next handheld.

And all this still doesn't address, why do people expect 3D to effect gameplay? You hear all these comments talking about how outside of SM3DL, no titles have used it to improve gameplay, but I don't think improving gameplay was ever it's purpose in the first place.

My main reason for not including 3D is simply because it would make the system much cheaper. From what I can tell, adding the 3D effect makes the screens cost around $12 (source:http://leetneet.com/games/item/485-how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-nintendo-3ds)
Now, when it comes to the 3DS screens, in order for that 3D effect to be around, you need two overlapping screens for it to happen. This means that if Nintendo were to make an HDS with 3D, they would need three HD screens. Abandoning the 3D effect would effectively cut the price of the display on their new system by a significant portion, thus making it cheaper to put out.

As for consumer demand, there are those Club Nintendo surveys. And based on my many 3DS owning acquaintances and friends, none of them use the 3D effect much. Then there's the many people on this (very pro-Nintendo) site that simply have no desire for the feature. That, with Iwata's statements on how it seems inconsequential, don't bode well for it needing to stay.

I just don't know if people would care enough for the effect to pay $15+ just to use it once in a blue moon. Yeah, there's the few that love the effect, but would its absence be a reason for people to not go for the system?

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89. Posted:

DePapier wrote:

This is my personal opinion, but if you haven't played Paper Mario Sticker Star, Fire Emblem: Awakening, Mario Kart 7... most Nintendo 3DS games actually, in 3D, we definitely haven't played the same game.

But then it took me the end of my second playthrough of Ocarina of Time 3D to get use to it. The 3D just needs to be better.

My main issue is that it's extremely rare (borderline non-existant if you don't include the platforming parts of Paper Mario) outside of 3D Land that the 3D has any effect on gameplay. Whatever Nintendo did next couldn't hope to be as legitimately innovative as DS or Wii but owning one game where 3D made a difference in gameplay is kinda disappointing. Most people don't even talk about the 3D anymore from what I've seen, which says quite a bit.

and Mario Kart's 3D is some of the weakest I've seen tbh, it wasn't even that impressive compared to other games

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

DePapier wrote:

This is my personal opinion, but if you haven't played Paper Mario Sticker Star, Fire Emblem: Awakening, Mario Kart 7... most Nintendo 3DS games actually, in 3D, we definitely haven't played the same game.

But then it took me the end of my second playthrough of Ocarina of Time 3D to get use to it. The 3D just needs to be better.

My main issue is that it's extremely rare (borderline non-existant if you don't include the platforming parts of Paper Mario) outside of 3D Land that the 3D has any effect on gameplay. Whatever Nintendo did next couldn't hope to be as legitimately innovative as DS or Wii but owning one game where 3D made a difference in gameplay is kinda disappointing. Most people don't even talk about the 3D anymore from what I've seen, which says quite a bit.

and Mario Kart's 3D is some of the weakest I've seen tbh, it wasn't even that impressive compared to other games

I guess we have different tastes for MK7. Competitions are 3D-less to allow to more easily capture footage but playing online in 3D is the most immersive experience.

Yet why should 3D bring about enhancements in gameplay when it is optional and currently rather hard to get used to?

As somebody said before, it is just a visual enhancement, much like HD. On another note, I know quite a few people playing their PS3 or Xbox 360 in their rooms on their family's previous SDTV, and I don't see them complain about it hindering the gameplay.

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Why do you guys think all club nintendo surveys ask you whether you play on 3d or not, they are collecting the data to see if its worth keeping in the next iteration if most people say they don't use 3D the next handheld would likely not have it, if most people say they do then it'll have it..... I personally always say I don't play in 3D because I don't

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I personally always say I don't play in 3D because I don't

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I personally always say I don't play in 3D because I don't

NO WAY!!!! so you know that I play in 3D Because I play in 3D?!?!?!?(That was my hidden secret.... :'( )

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3D doesn't cost much of anything to include. The 3DS would probably be able to put out 3D, even if it didn't have the 3D screen, so it makes more sense just to include it.

The GameCube could technically put out 3D, but no one had a 3D display. I don't think they did that on purpose. It just so happened to be able to do that. The difference between the GCN and the 3DS, is that they can include the 3D screen in the system.

As for touchscreens, we've already heard tons of BS about phones and tablets "being a threat", so why would Nintendo get rid of the touchscreen? Even the PS Vita has a touch screen.

You're kind of missing the entire point of the 3DS if you think these things shouldn't be included.

After hearing how "stupid" touchscreens were for gaming before it became popular, and how 3D is a gimmick when it's a standard feature of the 3DS, it's kinda hard to take some of these posts seriously suggesting otherwise.

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I've been meaning to point out the most valid point about a new handheld is that I hope it takes as long as possible. 3DS is cool now, stick with that Nintendo and please stick with your hardware as long as humanly possible so we don't have to deal with more boring launch periods. If 3DS and Wii U last 10 years, GOOD.

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Maybe a little something like this?
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I just wanna see the death of touch screens, even though they're likely here to stay. D:

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I just wanna see the death of touch screens

this is too stupid a post to properly make fun of so I will just point out that even if you hate touch screen gaming this is painfully ignorant an idea

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100. Posted:

Happy_Mask wrote:

I just wanna see the death of touch screens, even though they're likely here to stay. D:

What's wrong with touchscreens? The only thing that I could find wrong with them is that they tend to get a little smudgy... but even that's beginning to be figured out...

If touchscreens ever go away, it'll be because you no longer have to actually touch them, and that technology already exists.

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