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Drawdler

They just need to make Stealth Rock not broken. I'm barely starting to learn competitive, but anyone can see, it's a huge factor against many Pokémon's ranking. I'm not saying every Pokémon has to be OU, but there's an issue when one hazard move takes one turn to set up fully, and another two take multiple turns, and the former still does more damage and isn't avoided by any types too. The only upside to using either Spikes is that Toxic Spikes afflicts Poison.

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MrMario02

Rensch wrote:

The game is already unbalanced. The grass and ice types are weak against too much. Dragon is overpowered.

Ice is one of the best offensive types according to bulbapedia.

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KiwiPanda

MrMario02 wrote:

Rensch wrote:

The game is already unbalanced. The grass and ice types are weak against too much. Dragon is overpowered.

Ice is one of the best offensive types according to bulbapedia.

Base stats aside and the focus on typing, the only fully-evolved Pokemon to bare simply the dragon type is Haxorus and Druddigon, and the latter is easily outmatched by other choices; all the other ones are dual-typed.
As for ice, having its moves at your access is very useful, but at the top of my head I can't think of a great one to use in the standardized metagame...

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Basically what @RedPanda said. Ice is great for attacking a bunch of types but sucks defensively. Even the STAB can't make up for it, just being super effective gives it a better boost than being an Ice type and hitting something neutral anyway. Not to mention Hail is a rare weather condition. Being an Ice-type is also not that great against other type options anyway, because Water-types get boosted by the common Rain, and many of those already learn Ice moves.

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RedPanda wrote:

MrMario02 wrote:

Rensch wrote:

The game is already unbalanced. The grass and ice types are weak against too much. Dragon is overpowered.

Ice is one of the best offensive types according to bulbapedia.

Base stats aside and the focus on typing, the only fully-evolved Pokemon to bare simply the dragon type is Haxorus and Druddigon, and the latter is easily outmatched by other choices; all the other ones are dual-typed.
As for ice, having its moves at your access is very useful, but at the top of my head I can't think of a great one to use in the standardized metagame...

Ice has moves that freeze people as well making it more useful offensively.

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Hail was usable from Abomasnow in the average metagame before DW Politoed came in, although even then Tyranitar and Hippowdon were usually better for the many extra abilities having to do with sand. With gen six I'm hoping for new abilities based on hail and just a few support/offensive ice 'mons, because that could really spice up the competition. As of now, rain is way OP. A good rain team can practically only be beaten by Trick Room teams...

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RikuzeYre

So planning on downloading one version and buyin the other?

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RikuzeYre wrote:

So planning on downloading one version and buyin the other?

Yep.

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Rensch

Nibelilt wrote:

If there is a Fairy type, I think that it will be weak to Electric(there's an Eeveelution chart on Pokémon.com and Eeveelutions are adjacent to ones that they are weak/strong against). Still, every rumour is a tall tale to me.

I actually think it should be the other way around. Electric is strong against three different types, yet only Ground-type moves provide an effective counter to it. Apart from Normal, there's no other type with only one weakness.

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Retro_on_theGo wrote:

I'm hoping Poison can get some sort of boost this new gen.

Same here. I always thought Poison should be super effective against Water. They could always take from Gen. 1 and have Poison super effective against Bug but I think Poison SE against Water would be better. Water only has 2 weaknesses anyway, a third weakness would match the number of weaknesses Fire types have.

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RikuzeYre

Electric needs to stay that way.

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Rensch

Normal is a weird type as well. It does have a weakness to Fighting, but Normal attacks don't hit for Super Effective damage against anything. I guess it is that way because Normal-type moves are so common and there's much more of them than in any other type (not all offensive off course, but still...). Anyway I think it would be interesting to see a new type that is weak to Normal.

Incidentally, there's a lot of info coming up today about these new versions. Look it up at Serebii.

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Lalivero

Not today but we'll get info from CoroCoro next week and Smash will likely go over all of it.

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firestarter2398

I've only seen that there will be a huge announcement on pokemon smash but will be corocoro probally
Because they say massive and lots of information my guess is we get more about the new mewtwo form and sylveon's type and evolution method
xerneas and yveltal types and more pokemon hopefully at least 3

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firestarter2398

KryptoKrunch wrote:

Retro_on_theGo wrote:

I'm hoping Poison can get some sort of boost this new gen.

Same here. I always thought Poison should be super effective against Water. They could always take from Gen. 1 and have Poison super effective against Bug but I think Poison SE against Water would be better. Water only has 2 weaknesses anyway, a third weakness would match the number of weaknesses Fire types have.

The starters types all have 3 weaknesses except water
water needs to be beaten by something else to make the 3 types seem equal instead of water seemingly being the best and it beats rock, ground, fire and I think ice
Ice should beat water in my opinion

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Peachy

firestarter2398 wrote:

The starters types all have 3 weaknesses except water
water needs to be beaten by something else to make the 3 types seem equal instead of water seemingly being the best and it beats rock, ground, fire and I think ice
Ice should beat water in my opinion

Water-type attacks do 2x damage against Rock, Ground, and Fire-types, but only 1x damage against Ice-types. Ice-type attacks only do 1/2x damage against Water-types though.

I would really like to see some starter evos, or at least a new line (versus a new forme or side evo of an already existing line) this month.

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