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Meowpheel

Well it sounds promising so far then. Let's see how I fare.

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YummyHappyPills

@Meowpheel For reference right now I'm at Tapu Village, trainers range from Lv32-36 right now, my team is Lv 31-33 with Brionne, Tauros, Araquanid, Amaura, Electabuzz and Malamar. I have not used the EXP Share once and this game is obliterating me.

I'm putting it down for some time. I cant...I just cant. Ive never been put off by a game being hard but its not just one part its multiple and its fluctuates so randomly from being comfortable, to challenging, to brutal and back down again with no warning on if a trainer is going to be 5 or so levels above you with max stat Pokemon.

I haven't hated a Pokemon games difficulty this much since the mess that was HGSS.

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-Green-

Sounds interesting. I don't recall struggling at all with HG. Maybe I'll look up some videos.

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Meowpheel

Gold and Silver were simply flawed in terms of balance. In those games it's almost impossible to keep a full team fully trained, because there's simply no good places to train your pokemon.

In an effort to give the trainer freedom in the second half of Jotho, the trainers reach a difficulty plateau after the Ecruteak gym, and they rarely go above level 30 outside of the last gym, meanwhile, the wild pokemon in Kanto, the aftergame area, are an utter joke.

This wasn't really fixed in the remakes.

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Oh! eShop Gurus.

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YummyHappyPills

@Meowpheel The remakes made it worse. No good places to train, wild Pokemon in general barely hit Lv 30. For some reason the Team Rocket Hideout is far lower level than the stuff you do to unlock it and the stuff you get for beating it, and you can do all that before anything else as soon as you get Surf.

And the Pokemon variety jesus christ it was TERRIBLE and shallow in Johto.

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Meowpheel

And in the originals most of the new pokemon had really really bad movesets.

Like for example, Jumpluff only learns two damaging moves by level up. One of which is tackle, and the other one, equally weak in terms of power, doesn't come until level 44.

And Xatu doesn't learn an actual damaging psychic move until level 65.

It doesn't help that most of the TMs in those games were basically useless.

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Oh! eShop Gurus.

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shadow-wolf

@YummyHappyPills @Meowpheel This issue actually was fixed somewhat in the remakes (HGSS) over the originals (GS).

In HGSS, the wild Pokemon are still low-leveled BUT you can train by rematching gym leaders. While rematches with Johto gym leaders aren't that helpful, the Kanto gym leaders have level 60 and 70 Pokemon that make it much easier to level up. It's still quite a grind, but it's not as bad as in the originals. And at least in HGSS it was worth it for the epic final showdown against Red.

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shadow-wolf

@YummyHappyPills Well you aren't in the main quest but it's an available option to help you level up, in the same way battling wild Pokemon to level up isn't part of the main quest but is an available option to help you level up.

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Meowpheel

Oh well yeah, and the elite four also gets competent after you beat the game.

But the road there is still mostly unbalanced.

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IceClimbers

@Meowpheel Most of the Kanto Pokemon in Gold/Silver have bad movesets as well.

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Meowpheel

Oh well, but at least they can do nice damage without TMs.

I mean, at least those I used in my last playthrough.... Then again that aerodactyl never really learned a rock move besides ancientpower...

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Oh look! A Morphloggery.
Oh! eShop Gurus.

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BlackTalon

Good thing my entire team is made up of hatched pokemon from my sun game, with good ivs and ev training. Though i plan to replace one or two members with wild caught pokemon from Usun. Im planning on adding clauncher/clawitzer in the future or trapinch/flygon, maybe even tyrantrum or noivern.

But im still just starting on akala, so i have not faced the water totem yet. Looks like im still in for a tough battle.

Current team is flechinder, dewpider, wishiwashi, grubbin, skarmory, wimpod. With a second grunbbin in the pc.

Btw can i get vikavolt early this time?

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YummyHappyPills

@BlackTalon Vikavolt, Magnezone and Probopass are now evolved at Blush Mountain I believe

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IceClimbers

@Meowpheel Yeah Nidoking is a good option for example. Double Kick and Horn Attack are decent moves. Gets access to the elemental punches, Sludge Bomb, Earthquake, and Surf too.

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DarkRula

@YummyHappyPills Wow. That's a lot of technical stuff for something outside of the competitive battles.
I will find a way to beat it. Even if every 'mon has to be Lv25 to do it.

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Tsurii

@Octane nope, they changed the location for the "magnet" evolutions because the new people realized that was done in an incredibly dumb way.

edit: oh, yeah, right...

Marshadow. That one's just for SuMo, not the Ultra games, right? I just tried to receive that gift and it told me the game can't do Jack with the code. Looks like I might wanna do the begin of Moon then.

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What a beautiful signature.
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Late

I haven't played for couple of days. Last time I played, I cleared the second trial. I didn't have troubles with it. Sure, I used couple of Super Potions but other than that, I beat it on my first try. I was thinking of going through the game without using Revives like I did with White 2 that I replayed couple of months ago. Let's see how long I'll keep that stand if it really gets as hard as implied here.

I talked about what I wanted from Pokémon in terms of difficulty in another thread and one of the things was gym leader teams that complement each other and have better moveset. From what I gathered from @YummyHappyPills's post, I got what I wanted but it being 2 on 1 might ruin it. I always found it silly that I have 6 Pokémon in my team and gym leaders almost never have as many and yet I can still spam items on top of that. I mean, I don't one hit KO every Pokémon like some do, due to my playstyle but I wouldn't mind having more of a challenge. I already limit items, don't use Exp. Share and I haven't touched those Rotom things.

I programmed a simple tool that copies all Switch screenshots from an SD card and places them to folders according to the game:
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