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Tyranexx

Meowpheel wrote:

So far I've noticed some changes. This one features 80% less Kukui home invasion.

Yeah, he was quite good at doing that in the original Sun/Moon....Though to be fair, the main character in pretty much any Pokemon game is guilty of home invasion. XD Either way, thanks for the laugh!

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Bolt_Strike

Don't worry about Zygarde Cells, you get Zygarde a completely different way in this game.

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Araquanid

Yea zygarde cell collecting is gone, kinda nice but still sucks zygarde got shafted, again. Instead that system got replaced with totem stickers which are just pokemon with bigger models with nothing changed about them except for height and weight (basically they're nerfed via take more damage from grass knot.)

Also you can infinitely get ultra beast, they do respawn with limitless supply. Legendaries not so much.

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Araquanid

Well then...

Pokebank just updated for USUM. That was unexpected, that didn't take long.

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Tsurii

@Meowpheel I think I completely misunderstood your question lol
Thought you asked about how many different species, not how many you actually catch lol

Also, @Araquanid (and everyone else who's interested), the UBs you can catch in Ultra Space respawn, afaik. You can get as many as you want but I do think I've read about one exception, I think Guzzlord is a one time deal, it has a unique intro I think. Might be that it only gets that cutscene once and you can catch it repeatedly tho. It's not like I have firsthand knowledge of that myself (yet)

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Araquanid

Mr. Krabs is the exception, he only spawns once.

Also Blace/Stakakasdfaerhgsetvr are exceptions because they're part of the post game story (slightly) so you do them in a mission like fashion in the real world and can't get them again. (just like the ultras in sun/moon)

The wormhole ultras minus guzzlord you can free farm.

Also worth mentioning: a pokemon's stuff is pre-determined when you enter the area rather then when you get in battle. You can actually soft reset the shinies for better stats and natures, but you can't soft reset the same pokemon until its shiny.

Not sure if that's just for the regular pokemon or all the legendaries, ultra beast, and the regulars, but its definitely something to think about.

EDIT: attempt #10 and still no battle spot opponent found. C'mon even release sun & moon had players day 1...

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Octane

@Araquanid So.. what's the point of those totem Pokemon then? Don't they get a stat boost or something?

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Araquanid

@Octane Literally none, just a model size change. There is absolutely nothing different from the totem to the regular except for minor height and weight mechanics (regarding low sweep, heavy slam, and grass knot, which since none of them really use those moves, they're just hurt more by low sweep and grass knot since they're heavier.)

Its a really pointless in-game gimmick that probably sounds cool in theory to have on your in-game team, but doesn't actually affect gameplay.

As much as I'd love to use bigger spider, grass knot is too common nowadays for me to even bring it up seriously.

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@Araquanid That's it? How disappointing...

I'll still collect them but I was hoping for more. I thought that they would have the Beast Boost ability because they always increase their stats when you fight them. At least it's something new to do during the game.

I seem to be invisible here, or maybe just ignored? Who knows...

Meowpheel

I guess the totem pokemon are relatively rare pokemon to begin with. No neeed to catch them yourself for the pokedex now.

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Even gameexplain gave the game a pretty bad review.

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You can't really go by amazon reviews though because those are unprofessional customers that reviewed the game and half the time were motivated to go back and post a review on amazon via rage or something where as those who enjoyed stayed away.

In fairness though, you can't review pokemon ultra sun and moon as a series game, but as a game of its own. Its the fact that its another pokemon game so people are reviewing ultra next to plat/BW/XY etc when they should be reviewing ultra sun and moon for being ultra sun and moon without factoring in other content.

Ultra sun and Ultra moon, when put besides other pokemon games, where pretty bad in the story tbh, like really bad in comparison to even sun/moon. My one friend's eye was twitching when I told him what some of the villians said and how they somehow succeeded. Cyrus apparently won, erased human emotion, still has palkia.. but he was brought into alola via a shadow dragging him into a nother world... doesn't that sound awfully familiar but in an extremely opposite order of events. It did not improve any character development except for guzma, and lusamine isn't the same lusamine, she has a majorly different character opposite of sun and moon's... in SM she's doing the right thing for the wrong reasons clearly, in ultra she's doing the wrong thing for the right reasons.

However, ultra sun and moon, for what it is, were still fantastic games. They don't live up to an expected standard that we wanted viewing the past games, but standalone, yea... I'd say still worth a 9/10, just if you played SM already you have to go in acknowledging your playing the same game but different with slightly more content so its not worth 80 dollars to play both 40 dollar games, but sadly due to how they release these things you just can't expect the sequel and try the first editions anyway (especially now we know they can pull a gen 6).

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The games itself were still modern standard games with not that many issues besides forced tutorials, and it did feel like I was forced into the game making decisions for me (like why couldn't I option to mantine surf and go on the boat with lillie to the next island? I'd pick the boat but sadly I was forced the surfing tutorial which I hated so much). It didn't feel like a choice based RPG where I could do things in an order I wanted, it was all on a straight rollar coaster.

Characters were still likeable although the characters you wanted to hate (villians) are far more interesting then the characters the game attempts to connect the player with (yours, Lillie, Hau, etc), your friends you wanted to go away after so many insufferable cutscenes and unnecessary text that has nothing to do with the story or gameplay but rather is just there in hopes that it makes those characters express emotions or show they're attached and willing to have conversations, which makes you want to push them away. Rotom dex is another one, he never shuts up and unless you interact with him his eyes will always look depressed on your bottom screen, interacting with the map system is an innovative change for an RPG but the way it was done with a depressed unless interacted with map wasn't enjoyable, why should I be punished with an annoying fly constantly taking a little happiness away looking down just for deciding not to use the mechanic?

Core gameplay is solid and still fun and strategic, difficulty curves are there which actually does make this feel like older RPGs

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TL;DR was going to write more but didn't realize how huge this post was... you should review Ultra sun and moon as ultra sun and moon, not as a pokemon game. Reviewing it as a pokemon game will surely make it sound bad but reviewing it as its own title makes it more tolerable. For instance, reviewing it as an RPG in general, those were the only negatives I wrote above as everything else was still really good.

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Bolt_Strike

It's not the reviews themselves that are significant, it's that half of the people reviewing the game gave it 1 Star. Usually when that many people are unhappy with a product, you start to lose money if you don't address it. I work for a company that sells products on Amazon, and I deal with this sort of thing all of the time and Amazon has taken down offers for less than this. Granted that's more for issues with damaged/defective products or receiving the wrong product, they're definitely not going to take down the listing for the game just because people don't like the game's content, but the same principle applies when it comes to addressing customer feedback. If I were looking a product with this kind of feedback at work, it would be well within the range where I would need to either address the issue or discontinue the product.

Octane wrote:

@Bolt_Strike They're clearly wrong, I've read this game is a 10/10

From who? Game Freak?

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canucksfan989

I'm really forgiving when it comes to Pokemon games i barely get in the competition side of it i think Sun and Moon is the first story i've paid attention to since Gold and Silver i just enjoy going through each game doing the gym battles building up a team trying out different Pokemon and usually sits on the shelf until i decide to play it again or sell it much like any other game i buy even 10/10 ones. As for the Amazon reviews and honestly any review system professional or amateur i can never trust i have to get the product in my hands to know for sure whether i like it or not yes it costs me sometimes and i get burned but plenty of times especially with electronics i find it's user error and they just don't know what they're doing but they give it a 1/5 review on Amazon, Best Buy, etc. If i had to choose the best way to showcase anything it would be through Youtube to see whatever it is in play you just don't get the same feel when you're just reading a simple 3-4 sentence review online or even a website article review.

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Plasmbolt64

I saw on serebii that apparently you can farm Guzzlord just like the other UBs. Does anybody know if this is correct?

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Araquanid wrote:

In fairness though, you can't review pokemon ultra sun and moon as a series game, but as a game of its own. Its the fact that its another pokemon game so people are reviewing ultra next to plat/BW/XY etc when they should be reviewing ultra sun and moon for being ultra sun and moon without factoring in other content.

So still a one star out of five.

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Bolt_Strike wrote:

It's not the reviews themselves that are significant, it's that half of the people reviewing the game gave it 1 Star. Usually when that many people are unhappy with a product, you start to lose money if you don't address it. I work for a company that sells products on Amazon, and I deal with this sort of thing all of the time and Amazon has taken down offers for less than this. Granted that's more for issues with damaged/defective products or receiving the wrong product, they're definitely not going to take down the listing for the game just because people don't like the game's content, but the same principle applies when it comes to addressing customer feedback. If I were looking a product with this kind of feedback at work, it would be well within the range where I would need to either address the issue or discontinue the product.

Octane wrote:

@Bolt_Strike They're clearly wrong, I've read this game is a 10/10

From who? Game Freak?

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