Topic: Pokemon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon discussion

@Haru17 Of course, but that's not the same as what happened with a lot of PS3/PS4/360/One games.

@Tsurii True, but with Ninty owning pretty much the most of Pokemon, I feel like they could have them develop a game for the Switch too. I wonder how much control they have over the franchise (remember the 8-bit Pokemon lacking sound in Mario Maker?), it's weird sometimes. It feels like it's a giant deadlock, with each party having different interests, and the result is no progress at all and a release on an old system because that's the easiest thing to do. They can only move forward when they have absolutely no choice it seems, and that's a shame.

@Tsurii Nintendo owns the games, but they also own the trademarks to all the Pokemon names. So TPC can't release merchandise without Nintendo's consent, in theory. But maybe they also have the right to use all of that without Nintendo's consent. All I can say is, it's a mess...

@Tsurii Yeah, I was agreeing with you on all counts. (Except the part where you purported that Nintendo's open world games weren't overwhelmingly empty save for filler content. We can't all be crazy )

And it's obviously not as easy to port 3DS games to Switch — ostensibly current gen — as it is late PS3 titles to PS4. Monster Hunter can only barely do it because those games are insanely detailed, and Pokemon environments just do not have that. It'll take as much work to remaster Alola as it will to make entirely new games. All people learned about a mainline Pokemon game on Switch in this Direct was that it was ostensibly delayed, so naturally they freaked the hell out like people seemingly feel contractually obligated to do with all delays.

I mean, I'll still get these games on day one (digital download baybay!) but I'm a little on edge about the alternate timeline stuff. That said, I'm hoping they add way more character customization options and poses. Those certainly weren't as fleshed out as they could have been. The Festival Plaza needs to be chucked too - that place simply was not engaging at all. I am very happy to hear we're getting new pokemon though - so that alone is reason enough for me to get these. But... I dunno, I just hoped for/expected a main series Pokémon game on Switch this year. But I suppose I can wait a bit longer.

Gotta admit though - I'm glad that Stars/Eclipse rumour rubbish has finally been squashed.

GameFreak has never introduced new Pokémon mid generation, only formes, which have been promoted as new Pokémon since formes made their debut. Therefore we should not expect any new Pokémon for these games, only new formes.

@DarthNocturnal yeah, bad wording on my part, they have never been introduced in the main series games however.

@AlliMeadow Don't know if I'd consider this counting as "main series" outside of maybe mechanics.

But Gale of Darkness had bonsly/munchlax in it.

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I'm not even upset about switch support, I'd just have a good reason to buy a switch if US/UM came out for it. If US/UM comes on the 3ds again, well that's only more convenient I suppose.

What I didn't like was sun and moon on its own, there was a lot of issues with the game once you beat the story. Some things I personally and not idiotically have the opinion of disliking was: _{(this is the internet, everybody has opinions its whether or not they consider their opinions facts, something a lot of us seem to mistakenly do.)}

• the PSS system; situationally used, unlike say just being online with your friends while you do anything, its counter productive just sitting in the plaza waiting for somebody to eventually accept or send an invite. If you could breed in the festival plaza, that would singlehandedly maybe fix the issue entirely.
• Wild encounters and capturing pokemon were made extremely frustrating with SOS battles.
• The post game was weak, I'd argue normally "well you hunt for tons of legendary ultra beast!" but then I remembered how you basically had an ultra beast master ball which made the whole experience a lot less epic, but easy and quick post game plus no national dex to complete (yay?) made anything you had to do after the story unrewarding and simple.
• The majority of new pokemon were unviable trash, but that's competitive talk. (would not dislike the idea of Gen 7 megas to fix this)
• Alola is a beautiful region, but the places you will be spending most of your time are the most bland and boring parts of alola (so I have the option of a beautiful beach, an awesome hillside! Even a calm and soothing place full of water falls and ponds... but I get to breed at that boring mostly brown scenery ranch?)

All I want are improvements to these things in US/UM, because if basically none of that changes, these will just be another series of games on the shelf while I'm on MOBAs after I finish them in a day. Right now off the images, I see poorly done models that to me look worse than I'd see somebody mod in the game, literally just sticking pieces of one pokemon onto the bodies of others with no significant physical differences, so my expectations after seeing those aren't too high. I honestly think they hit an artist block with these new forms because, I feel anybody could do better.

A lot of things S/M did right, came with things they've done wrong. I want to see them learn what they did wrong and improve on those to make US/UM one of the best games we've had in years, there's a lot of potential.

They're not playable though, they're just cameo appearances. Not really the same situation that people are referring to here where we have entirely new Pokemon (as in, a completely original concept for a Pokemon with a separate dex entry) fully usable introduced in a game that was not a new generation debut. That scenario has absolutely never happened before.

Eh, that's a bit of treacherous ground. Mega evolutions are basically new Pokemon, with new designs and everything, and more were introduced in ORAS. And something like Alolan form Pokemon are basically the same thing, so I think 20-50 more of them would be more than achievable.

I wouldn't mind seeing some new Mega Evolutions, particularly of Gen II Pokemon. I mean...Dunsparce needs some purpose to its existence.

@DarthNocturnal: You forgot Wynaut. I believe it appeared during the Johto saga.

Hey peeps, I just bought a 3ds and Moon version few days ago from hearing all the Stars hype. I wanted to hold over for a game on the switch. Poke Ultra needs to have significan changes because now I have to start all over again in a few months time in same region with the same annoying
tutorial?
Ideas* we become master of and recruit our own NPC for Pokémon league/Gym and have random NPC come fight us and roam the map!!

Kalos. If they're doing a 2nd region Kalos desperately needs something. It's the only region to not get some kind of followup and there were a lot of loose ends in the region that they never resolved. USUM serving as a third game to both Kalos and Alola would be one of the few things that would get me excited for this game, that would be a pretty fresh idea, and there's a lot more potential in expanding on Kalos than there is on Alola.

This game could be dramatically different from Sun and Moon. Most of that game was the unique trials that took the place of gyms. I never played Black and White 2 to see how those games did it, but Ultra S&M could be pretty cool if they replaced all of the trials with new gyms and added onto the world besides (the last 2 islands in particular). At the same rate, if they just left the challenges as is or simply changed dialogue they would feel pretty lame to play through.

What could they really add to the region? It's pretty full up, there's not really any room for new areas, and especially not a BW2 size expansion. They would have to add new islands for that, and I don't see that happening. Aside from doing things like say, letting you explore that golf course, I don't really think they're adding new areas, Alola's about as big as it can get.

Pretty sure in the reveal, the translation stated we would get completely new pokemon that "weren't in Sun and Moon". I mean, I could be wrong - but I rewatched that video several times over. I'm at work right now, so I can't double check now, but I'll gladly do so and link to the part in the video where I saw it.

When they say "new Pokémon" in PR, they're counting new forms as new Pokémon. They're probably referring to the Necrozma fusions and presumably new Alola forms as " new Pokémon".

Some food for thought. RBY on VC allowed you to transfer Kanto forms to Sun/Moon. With the release of GS on VC, and the likeliness of new Alolan forms, will those new forms be based on Johto Pokemon? We could also get Alolan Oddish family, if they expand the Alolan forms to Johto Pokemon as well. Tiki-based Natu and Xatu? Water-type Phanpy and Donphan? Tropical Hoppip family?

2 words: alolan dunsparce.

Get ready for dark sentret, dark teddiursa, dark slugma, dark mareep, dark togepi and fairy houndour.