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Haru17

Tsurii wrote:

I feel like the main reason why people act so - I don't wanna say stupid but...- stupid is some kind of Switch honeymoon phase.

I think the Switch has been the exact opposite of a honeymoon phase. Even before its announcement all it's been nothing but constant criticism for every little difference from the multiplatform systems.

A ton of people always act like their old systems magically disappear from the world as soon as something new is released and how they absolutely can't ever """justify""" buying games on a "dead system".

Basically. People still released PS3 games for a solid 2 years after 8th gen had great success. The Switch is just an example of hypocritical judgement.

Not gonna lump everyone together but it's mostly people on the internet being entitled idiots.

That's a good explanation.

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Octane

@Tsurii I'm not part of that group, I just don't own a 3DS, so seeing a Switch release of Pokemon would've been neat. I'd get that day one. Same with the VC releases. However, as it stands now, it's a bit weird seeing Nintendo competing against themselves. Yes they've done it before, but a dual release wouldn't have been that weird, would it?

@Haru17 The difference is that those PS3 games also came to PS4. And IIRC, it wasn't Sony releasing new games for the PS3 after the launch of PS4, those were third party titles.

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Haru17

@Octane I think it's very clear that it was The Pokemon Company's decision to release Ultra Sun and Moon on the system with the established install base.

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Tsurii

@Haru17 maybe I worded that first thing wrong. What I meant is that everyone and their dead grandmother suddenly starts kicking and screaming whenever something gets announced for 3DS instead of Switch.

I get that people want something to play on their shiny, new toy but I also think that's it's kinda naive to assume that all these developers just have to snap their fingers and just go poof switch port. It's not like these games were created in a month. SuMo aren't even a year old, when was anyone supposed to work on a full blown HD Pokémon game for Switch?
GameFreak also seems to be just about the least competent studio Nintendo has on one of their big IPs and that's only because they can get away with halfassed design because Pokémon (did anyone actually look at X and Y? Half of Lumiose City looks like they didn't even bother to put proper textures on the houses and streets and even SuMo have some super low res textures in places they probably didn't expect anyone to look at. And it's always been like that, Pokémon games have never been as polished as most other Nintendo games, right back to the original games. They had to outright re-release those because they looked like crap and were buggy as heck! And Gold and Silver would've been very different games if GF didn't ask for help with them at the time)
I'd rather have those guys in particular take their time with whatever they plan for Switch and really get to grips with the hardware.

I think what's annoying me is that parts of the fandom basically treat the announcement like FedForce lite because it's not whatever they dreamed up because of leaks. And we're not talking about a random spin-off of one of Nintendo's smaller series. We're talking about the newest main series Pokémon games.

I just don't get how anyone could have expected Gamefreak to pump out a full blown HD Pokémon game just a year after they got done with Sun and Moon unless you wanted GF to release a halfhearted, "unfinished" game just to get it out on Switch in time for Christmas.

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Octane

@Haru17 Of course, but that's not the same as what happened with a lot of PS3/PS4/360/One games.

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@Tsurii True, but with Ninty owning pretty much the most of Pokemon, I feel like they could have them develop a game for the Switch too. I wonder how much control they have over the franchise (remember the 8-bit Pokemon lacking sound in Mario Maker?), it's weird sometimes. It feels like it's a giant deadlock, with each party having different interests, and the result is no progress at all and a release on an old system because that's the easiest thing to do. They can only move forward when they have absolutely no choice it seems, and that's a shame.

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Tsurii

@Octane I think Nintendo only own the games they publish actually. They don't have anything to do with merchandise, the TV and movie series or those "Pokémon Centers" afaik.
That said I'm sure they have GF at least plan something for Switch already. I'd be shocked if the next games weren't Gen 8 for Switch tbh.

My take on the whole thing is that they got Pokken DX to tide people over until then even if it's just a small "goodie" to most. I'm actually pretty excited for that one but I get that it's not everyone's thing.

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Octane

@Tsurii Nintendo owns the games, but they also own the trademarks to all the Pokemon names. So TPC can't release merchandise without Nintendo's consent, in theory. But maybe they also have the right to use all of that without Nintendo's consent. All I can say is, it's a mess...

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Haru17

@Tsurii Yeah, I was agreeing with you on all counts. (Except the part where you purported that Nintendo's open world games weren't overwhelmingly empty save for filler content. We can't all be crazy )

And it's obviously not as easy to port 3DS games to Switch — ostensibly current gen — as it is late PS3 titles to PS4. Monster Hunter can only barely do it because those games are insanely detailed, and Pokemon environments just do not have that. It'll take as much work to remaster Alola as it will to make entirely new games. All people learned about a mainline Pokemon game on Switch in this Direct was that it was ostensibly delayed, so naturally they freaked the hell out like people seemingly feel contractually obligated to do with all delays.

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ThatNyteDaez

I mean, I'll still get these games on day one (digital download baybay!) but I'm a little on edge about the alternate timeline stuff. That said, I'm hoping they add way more character customization options and poses. Those certainly weren't as fleshed out as they could have been. The Festival Plaza needs to be chucked too - that place simply was not engaging at all. I am very happy to hear we're getting new pokemon though - so that alone is reason enough for me to get these. But... I dunno, I just hoped for/expected a main series Pokémon game on Switch this year. But I suppose I can wait a bit longer.

Gotta admit though - I'm glad that Stars/Eclipse rumour rubbish has finally been squashed.

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DarthNocturnal

If the Switch was BC with 3DS, I think we would have have had less outcry. In the past, any late-life games released for one portable could be played on the next. Pokemon Crystal and the Zelda Oracle games for GB/C, Emerald for GBA, Black & White and B2/W2 on DS, etc. Just pop them in your new system and carry on. But obviously it can't be helped (bar porting the game) on Switch.

I just want to see if they are indeed similar to B2/W2. Those games had crazy amounts of content. And I should probably get around to playing Sun & Moon now....

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Tsurii

Apparently people think it's possible they might bring back the stuff with Pokémon following you around.

There's a Wingull that follows the protagonist in the bit of footage we've seen and there's walking animations for all (or most?) of the Pokemon in SuMo already.

It is possible that the Wingull is part of some scripted event tho because that scene looks like something that happens right at the start of the game (the character is walking up that little path right next to their house)

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AlliMeadow

ThatNyteDaez wrote:

I am very happy to hear we're getting new pokemon though - so that alone is reason enough for me to get these.

GameFreak has never introduced new Pokémon mid generation, only formes, which have been promoted as new Pokémon since formes made their debut. Therefore we should not expect any new Pokémon for these games, only new formes.

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DarthNocturnal

AlliMeadow wrote:

GameFreak has never introduced new Pokémon mid generation

Ho-oh, Togepi, Kecleon, Blaziken, Munchlax, Lucario, and a few others I can't remember would like a word with you.

Of course, they weren't playable (and usually cameoed only in the anime), but they were most certainly introduced mid-generation.

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Araquanid

@AlliMeadow Don't know if I'd consider this counting as "main series" outside of maybe mechanics.

But Gale of Darkness had bonsly/munchlax in it.

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I'm not even upset about switch support, I'd just have a good reason to buy a switch if US/UM came out for it. If US/UM comes on the 3ds again, well that's only more convenient I suppose.

What I didn't like was sun and moon on its own, there was a lot of issues with the game once you beat the story. Some things I personally and not idiotically have the opinion of disliking was: (this is the internet, everybody has opinions its whether or not they consider their opinions facts, something a lot of us seem to mistakenly do.)

  • the PSS system; situationally used, unlike say just being online with your friends while you do anything, its counter productive just sitting in the plaza waiting for somebody to eventually accept or send an invite. If you could breed in the festival plaza, that would singlehandedly maybe fix the issue entirely.
  • Wild encounters and capturing pokemon were made extremely frustrating with SOS battles.
  • The post game was weak, I'd argue normally "well you hunt for tons of legendary ultra beast!" but then I remembered how you basically had an ultra beast master ball which made the whole experience a lot less epic, but easy and quick post game plus no national dex to complete (yay?) made anything you had to do after the story unrewarding and simple.
  • The majority of new pokemon were unviable trash, but that's competitive talk. (would not dislike the idea of Gen 7 megas to fix this)
  • Alola is a beautiful region, but the places you will be spending most of your time are the most bland and boring parts of alola (so I have the option of a beautiful beach, an awesome hillside! Even a calm and soothing place full of water falls and ponds... but I get to breed at that boring mostly brown scenery ranch?)

All I want are improvements to these things in US/UM, because if basically none of that changes, these will just be another series of games on the shelf while I'm on MOBAs after I finish them in a day. Right now off the images, I see poorly done models that to me look worse than I'd see somebody mod in the game, literally just sticking pieces of one pokemon onto the bodies of others with no significant physical differences, so my expectations after seeing those aren't too high. I honestly think they hit an artist block with these new forms because, I feel anybody could do better.

A lot of things S/M did right, came with things they've done wrong. I want to see them learn what they did wrong and improve on those to make US/UM one of the best games we've had in years, there's a lot of potential.

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Bolt_Strike

Araquanid wrote:

@AlliMeadow Don't know if I'd consider this counting as "main series" outside of maybe mechanics.

But Gale of Darkness had bonsly/munchlax in it.

They're not playable though, they're just cameo appearances. Not really the same situation that people are referring to here where we have entirely new Pokemon (as in, a completely original concept for a Pokemon with a separate dex entry) fully usable introduced in a game that was not a new generation debut. That scenario has absolutely never happened before.

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Haru17

AlliMeadow wrote:

GameFreak has never introduced new Pokémon mid generation, only formes, which have been promoted as new Pokémon since formes made their debut. Therefore we should not expect any new Pokémon for these games, only new formes.

Eh, that's a bit of treacherous ground. Mega evolutions are basically new Pokemon, with new designs and everything, and more were introduced in ORAS. And something like Alolan form Pokemon are basically the same thing, so I think 20-50 more of them would be more than achievable.

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I wouldn't mind seeing some new Mega Evolutions, particularly of Gen II Pokemon. I mean...Dunsparce needs some purpose to its existence.

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