Topic: Pokémon Sun & Moon - Discussion & Speculation

I don't remember the story in White. Most of what I remember from that game was the coolish seasons feature and a whole bunch of connectivity functions that I couldn't use.

I found black and white to be my least liked games in the series, and the sequels to be some of my most liked.

Was the story in Black / White 2, then?

The games continue the story if that's what you mean.

But it's also taking itself a lot less seriously, and there's simply more variety and things to do overall.

BW's story left a bad taste in my mouth. It took itself far to serious, to the point where it felt like a different game to me, and in the end, it detracted from the overall experience in my case.

Anyways, I'm okay with trying to create an interesting story in a Pokemon game, but I'm not a fan of how BW tried to do it. It just came off as edgy and out of place, in my opinion.

I think the story of BW2 was that that dude's little sister's Purrloin got stolen. And then there were some splicers. Though I don't think they had much to do with the Purrloin.

I'm kinda torn on Gen 5 as a whole. On the one hand I admire its guts for having an entirely original roster through the main game and having such a bold story that really set it apart. But on the other, I actually wasn't a fan of a lot of the designs, and the Pokemon animation looked kinda ugly. But it certainly has burnt a sharper image in my mind than gen 6. XY just felt... wishy washy, even if there were some interesting Pokemon. I sort of admired BQ's clear sense of purpose, even if I didn't always agree with it.

The story in BW2 is:

Team Plasma is back and now they've just accepted they're evil so they run with that.

The villain wants o use Kyurem to freeze over Unova.

But it's actually just an act to make N come out of hiding, so they can kidnap his dragon friend and fuse it with Kyurem and then use it to dominate the world (or just Unova, idk).

The new Plasma executive (who was only helping Plasma to advance his research) is actually only interested in seeing which method can bring out the most out of pokemon, and in the end he decides he likes your style better than Plasma's, so Plasma is disbanded after you defeat Kyurem.

While all that happens, your friend is actually just helping you fight Plasma to find his sister's Purloin, who was stolen during the events of the first game.

He recuperates it, and even though it's now a violent Pokemon who doesn't recognize them, they're still happy.

Also, part of the original team plasma (the ones who weren't just doing it for evil) also help you every now and then.

Do you know what I won't miss if it doesn't return? Mr Bonding and his bonding time. It freaked me out when I talked to that weird looking guy in a pink suit just to hear that and then my screen going black...

Seriously, I hope he doesn't return.

I find them to have more personality and overall detail over any of the other starters. The body colors and patterns look very well drawn and the body style shape looks pretty good. They're not plain with just a bulb or a leaf on their head.. they actually look like somebody sat down and thought hard in designing them... unlike gen 2's starter who's pretty simple and basic.

While the snake theme is a bit miss understood, I find that creative they did infact give them limbs so they're not just regular snakes.. if they were just snakes what could you really say about them special over seviper or arbok besides them being green. They stand out with the design choice.

With the smiles... firstly, only servine really smiles, thats about it.. ocassionally snivy can be artisticly displayed with a grin, but thats it, and secondly I'd welcome the smiling facial as it makes them look like sinistar snakes.

Just my silly, garbage, nobody cares, unfactual, dumb opinion that could get me stoned.

Like I'm guilty of accusing designs as bad, but everytime I see a meh design all I think of is dugtrio, magneton, execute, and electrode.

@DefHalan I think BW2 would've been a better experience for you. There's a lot more exploration, and hidden pokemon, finding hidden abilities, hidden moves, etc. To say the least there was a lot more to do and discover while BW was kinda.. it feels like not much is left after the league with a few things here and there to do to get the national dex finished (which is were x/y fell, you basically already did finish the national dex and there wasn't anything new that isn't repetitive)

Gen 5 was hit or miss for me. On one hand I liked some designs (Snivy's line, Zebstrika, Scolipede, Krookodile's line, Zoroark, Cofagrigus, Haxorus, Hydreigon, Zekrom, and Genesect, to name a few), but there were some designs I disliked (Heatmor, Vullaby, Accelgor, Alomomola, Reuniclus, etc.). Every generation has Pokemon that I like and dislike, even Gen 1 (Why do Jynx and Mr. Mime exist?).

Overall I preferred Gen 6 to 5 since there were more designs that I liked out of the lot. Plus, they didn't go overkill with the monkeys. (IMO, monkey/ape Pokemon haven't been done right since Slaking in Gen 3).

@MegaBeedrill You may be right about B2&W2, but B&W took out a lot of the motivation of playing B2&W2. Thankfully Gen 6 was a lot better and gave the lots of opportunities to play how I want. _{Gen 3 is still the best Gen}

COFAGRIGUS! Yes! I completely forgot about that one, but it's one of my favorite designs. Ghost types have always had pretty solid designs now that I think about it.

Anyways, in regards to Snivy, I like it much more compared to the other two starters. I think it's a pretty unique design for a starter, a grass snake is pretty different and fits the typing well. I also think Serperior has a cool and elegant look which was probably intentional. I love the more generic Grass starters, like Bulbasaur and Chikorita, a lot as well. But I just think Snivy, and now Rowlett, are a nice change of pace for Grass starters. Wasn't a fan of Turtwig, though Torterra was cool.

Reading this thread has also really made me want to play BW2 — I probably would enjoy Gen 5 more if I gave it a shot.

I agree with... this entire post!

It takes more than that to make a good Pokemon game, and nearly every other aspect of the game ranges from mediocre to terrible. I also don't really think the Pokemon are that great, or at least collectively. Some of the more original ones are great, but so many of them are just riffing on Gen 1.

The story had a couple of great twists that really bucked some of the conventions in the storyline and the evil team was much more of a threat than usual.

Yeah, BW2 really turned things around from BW1 and added a lot of content and features to BW2 and fixed the dex issue. The storyline did get worse, but everything else improved.

As for not having much to do, that's pretty much par for the course in generation debut games, it's usually the third versions and sequels that have most of the gameplay features and extra content. But XY was much worse than usual, at least BW1 had places to explore post game.

Incidentally, this is exactly why people are upset about skipping Z for SM, because Kalos really needs that revisit that really fixes the content issue and generally redeems the region. I think SM could be an exception to the rule because it's the 20th anniversary game and they've been working on it for a while, so it should be something special, but a hypothetical Z game would inevitably have more content than SM is going to.

@Bolt_Strike it could be interesting if Z came out after Sun and Moon. Like they take a lot of the improvements of S&M and put them into Z plus the standard extras that you see in a 3rd game. Maybe?

Well considering Zygarde is going to play a role in SM, it may be too late. If SM doesn't include Kalos we may not be going back at all until it's time for remakes.

my favorite thing about Black/White & Black 2/White 2 was the dream world mechanic. I was really hoping that they would have brought that back. My favorite gen for story was fourth generation (platinum mainly). I liked going to the Distortion World.
I wonder what the english names for those two new Pokemon are going to be and I am really interested to see what news we get next month from Corocoro, since it's going to contain a Southern Islands Alola Guide that will contain all the important information on need for your journey.

Well since Mimikkyu is a clever pun on 'mimic you' and 'Pikachu', I bet it won't be all that different. Probably something like Mimiku, or Mimichu. No idea about the pink bear though.

Wasn't all the Japanese translations so far confirmed to be the same as the english translations?