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Octane

@Bolt_Strike People were arguing about another remake of Red and Blue, why not Yellow instead of FR2 and LG2? Besides, the last couple of games weren't amazing either, I'd rather play a polished older game.

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Bolt_Strike

Octane wrote:

@Bolt_Strike People were arguing about another remake of Red and Blue, why not Yellow instead of FR2 and LG2? Besides, the last couple of games weren't amazing either, I'd rather play a polished older game.

Someone fails at reading comprehension. Yellow is nowhere near as different as FRLG2 would be, the only things that change from Yellow are that you have Pikachu as a starter, some slightly different rosters, and Jessie and James. Even Emerald and Platinum offered more changes than that, and that's not even getting to the differences between third versions and sequels which include the potential for new areas and gyms, more character development and world building, as well as an inclination towards larger scale changes like dex expansions and area redesigns. So it's not even a contest, FRLG2 have much more to offer than an updated Yellow.

And frankly, Kanto needs those large scale changes. Several of the areas look like they were designed by a 5 year old, with many of them being painfully short, flat as a pancake, and generally less fleshed out and lacking identity compared to modern routes. The Game Boy's limitations really show themselves with the route design, and they're long overdue for a redesign. The Kanto Dex is also by far the worst regional dex in the series in terms of balance, with many types lacking in options that they didn't have at the time but they have in spades now. Ghost, Dragon, Dark, Steel, Fairy, Fighting, and Ice could all use more choices. And no, they can't just throw in the Johto Dex because there's still not enough Ghost and Dragon types with 1st and 2nd gen combined, they're going to need to include something from 3rd gen or later to fix the balance issue (ideally, something more like a Modern regional dex with 1st gen Pokemon taking up the majority, but also a healthy mix of Pokemon from other regions). You can really tell that the games were made 20 years ago with this kind of design and it's high time they address those issues.

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Octane

Bolt_Strike wrote:

Octane wrote:

@Bolt_Strike People were arguing about another remake of Red and Blue, why not Yellow instead of FR2 and LG2? Besides, the last couple of games weren't amazing either, I'd rather play a polished older game.

Someone fails at reading comprehension. Yellow is nowhere near as different as FRLG2 would be, the only things that change from Yellow are that you have Pikachu as a starter, some slightly different rosters, and Jessie and James. Even Emerald and Platinum offered more changes than that, and that's not even getting to the differences between third versions and sequels which include the potential for new areas and gyms, more character development and world building, as well as an inclination towards larger scale changes like dex expansions and area redesigns. So it's not even a contest, FRLG2 have much more to offer than an updated Yellow.

No need to randomly throw insults mate. It was just a mere suggestion, but apparantly that's enough to upset people these days...

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Sleepingmudkip

I say next game is generation 6.5(So Z or Y2 & X2)

and the next remake that would happen should be a 3D sinnoh so why are we talking about gen 1 remakes?

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Sleepingmudkip wrote:

I say next game is generation 6.5(So Z or Y2 & X2)

and the next remake that would happen should be a 3D sinnoh so why are we talking about gen 1 remakes?

I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see another Kanto game. FRLG is as old as RSE is now, so the current generation of Pokemon fans have no real way to enjoy the original games, there's no way to play RBYFRLG on the 3DS.

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Sleepingmudkip

@Bolt_Strike: Gen 2 remakes does still have kanto but I see what you mean.

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Sleepingmudkip wrote:

@Bolt_Strike: Gen 2 remakes does still have kanto but I see what you mean.

HGSS Kanto is kinda gimped though, even with all of the areas they added back in from the original GSC. There's still several areas which have been removed or downgraded from the originals (Rt. 23, Cinnibar Island, Power Plant, Pokemon Tower, Silph Co., Rocket Hideout), and the storyline is pretty nonexistent so you can just blow through everything. This is exactly why I don't want a two region game, having to cram two regions into one game limits how much content they can put in and ultimately it feels like they put two shallow regions in one game as opposed to one fully fleshed out one. In the long run it'd be better to just put them in separate games instead of both in the same game.

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nf_2

@Bolt_Strike: Several of the design limitations from RBY wouldn't be easy fixes. A sequel/remake would still need to use the original landscape, so there's not a whole lot that could realistically be changed unfortunately. Vertical elements could easily be added, but those don't really exist in HGSS Kanto so rationalizing the landscape change would kinda difficult there too.

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IceClimbers

@Bolt_Strike: Back then, yes. Now? If given the right amount of time, they could do two regions in one game without limiting content. Development time and interest is the only thing holding them back from doing that now.

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nf_2 wrote:

@Bolt_Strike: Several of the design limitations from RBY wouldn't be easy fixes. A sequel/remake would still need to use the original landscape, so there's not a whole lot that could realistically be changed unfortunately.

Well most of the shorter routes are near Cycling Road, so there is an easy fix to that actually. They can tilt Cycling Road to run NW/SE like its real world counterpart does, then they won't have to do a lot of resizing to make it work.

nf_2 wrote:

Vertical elements could easily be added, but those don't really exist in HGSS Kanto so rationalizing the landscape change would kinda difficult there too.

You mean in terms of story? That's easy, remember that the games from 6th gen on take place in an alternate universe, so they can simply justify the design changes on that basis.

IceClimbers wrote:

@Bolt_Strike: Back then, yes. Now? If given the right amount of time, they could do two regions in one game without limiting content. Development time and interest is the only thing holding them back from doing that now.

From an opportunity cost standpoint, there will always be a limit to making multiple regions. Because whatever improvements in design tools they get could be better spent on polishing one region than balancing two.

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Koopa-King

Pokemon Colosseum 2? Anyone....

The fact you are reading this proves you are able to have an attention span longer than me. Well done sir or madam!

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Rixor13

@Koopa-King:
well pokemon XD was the sequel to colosseum but i doe REALLY want a 3rd orre game to encompass gens 4-6/7

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Koopa-King wrote:

Pokemon Colosseum 2? Anyone....

We did get Colosseum 2. It's called Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness. But more than likely, we're not going to see a game like that again. Genius Sonority stopped making console games, and there's no one else involved with Pokemon that would really be interested.

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Koopa-King

I should have said XD. My bad about that. I just find both games to be very different in comparison.

The fact you are reading this proves you are able to have an attention span longer than me. Well done sir or madam!

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Araquanid

I really hope they don't do a gen 1 remake again.. it would be such a step backwards for the franchise than a forward leap. We've given kanto the special treatment to death.. with 3 verisons, a remake in LG/FR, and pseudo-remakes HGSS. Yellow is just over popularizing pikachu, which personally I'm annoyed to death by as being the overrated mascot for 6 generations.. giving it, it's own game remake would just be disappointing over say, making a sinnoh remake, or working on a different project that could use attention. (Such as ranger, orre, etc). It worked back then cause pokemon was just starting out, and there wasn't much to choose from out of 151 pokemon.. but now with 721, it's way too overwhelming on kanto's size and polarizing it on pikachu after we've been used to him for 6 gens would be wasted potential than getting to choose between cool starters with a new mega evolution in a remake or something. (ORAS)

A gen 6.5 seems possible.. volcanion's dex entry states it disturbs the environment by blowing away mountains, which for sure could cause new pokemon to appear, or completely alter the mountain side of kalos/open new routes. Another thing to consider is hoopa's involvement in ORAS, the rings cause legendary pokemon to appear, implying that hoopa was actually a part of the pokemon migration.. replace hoopa with volcanion in Z, and you have an expanded number of pokemon migrating everywhere. Only 69 (lawl 69) new pokemon were introduced in gen 6, which is significantly lower than any gens by far.. whether this is cause of the mega evolutions taking over, or they wanted to have a 6.5 gen, is beyond me, but it seems like a possibility to increase that number respectably higher.

Personally I'm just waiting for Battle Revolution 2.

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Sleepingmudkip

MegaBeedrill wrote:

working on a different project that could use attention. (Such as ranger, orre, etc).

Not saying i disagree with you for the rest of your post but pokemon ranger and the pokemon games set in orre are not made by gamefreak so no matter what gamefreak does it will not affect these other games.

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Bolt_Strike

New merchandise is revealed featuring several mystery Pokemon.

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http://www.presepe.jp/item/figures/p0163399ポケモン-100�...
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Usually when we have the kind of information we know now, a new game announcement isn't too far off. I'd be surprised if we don't get a reveal by the end of September.

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MyNameIsNicholas

While Generation 7 would be quite exciting, I believe Nintendo should really throw us another curveball. Flashback to Generation 3: Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald have been released. Generation 4 hype has not yet started and it's that transitional time period between generations in which Pokemon interest is at a relative low (still high, just low for Pokemon standards). What did Nintendo do next? An RPG-style side story on a console. Enter Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness on the GameCube.

Personally, my favorite games of the entire Pokemon franchise are those two GameCube titles. Generation 7 Pokemon XY and ORAS introduced 3D graphical capabilities, but GameCube utilized the multidimensional open-world landscape years prior. Now I know this post doesn't exact fit the topic of the thread, but I think this is a matter that needs to be acknowledged, and hopefully gain some attention.

The Wii U is a fantastic opportunity for the Pokemon franchise. Not for Pokemon Rumble U, but one of the RPG-style. Shadow Pokemon is an amazing and severely underused concept. The 3DS is a handheld device, but the Wii U simply outclasses it in terms of visual output (high-resolution TV screen as opposed to 3DS double screens) and interactivity (GamePad as opposed to handheld controls).

I'm not saying exclusivity (which frankly, I wouldn't mind), but Nintendo should definitely release a standard RPG-style Pokemon game on the Wii U. Anyone agree?

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Nicholasshole wrote:

While Generation 7 would be quite exciting, I believe Nintendo should really throw us another curveball. Flashback to Generation 3: Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald have been released. Generation 4 hype has not yet started and it's that transitional time period between generations in which Pokemon interest is at a relative low (still high, just low for Pokemon standards). What did Nintendo do next? An RPG-style side story on a console. Enter Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness on the GameCube.

Personally, my favorite games of the entire Pokemon franchise are those two GameCube titles. Generation 7 Pokemon XY and ORAS introduced 3D graphical capabilities, but GameCube utilized the multidimensional open-world landscape years prior. Now I know this post doesn't exact fit the topic of the thread, but I think this is a matter that needs to be acknowledged, and hopefully gain some attention.

The Wii U is a fantastic opportunity for the Pokemon franchise. Not for Pokemon Rumble U, but one of the RPG-style. Shadow Pokemon is an amazing and severely underused concept. The 3DS is a handheld device, but the Wii U simply outclasses it in terms of visual output (high-resolution TV screen as opposed to 3DS double screens) and interactivity (GamePad as opposed to handheld controls).

I'm not saying exclusivity (which frankly, I wouldn't mind), but Nintendo should definitely release a standard RPG-style Pokemon game on the Wii U. Anyone agree?

Wii U is practically dead at this point, that'd be a bad investment.

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Sleepingmudkip

@Nicholasshole: Who would develop it? GameFreak has said multiple times that they wont do a console game and I'm sure Genius Sonority doesn't want to do another coliseum game but because nintendo and TPC owns them they could be forced to make an another coliseum game. Really it is up to The Pokemon Company to find a another developer outside nintendo like atlus or inside nintendo like Monolith Soft.

Also starting a full console pokemon game for the wii U would be a waste, they would have to do the NX.

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