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They finally gave us a real ground gym in black and white, now I want a dark gym. As for starters try ice, rock, ground. Rock beats Ice, Ice beats Ground and Ground beats rock. They all are other wise normally effective on each other.
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Rock type moves are in fact resisted by Ground types.
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There's a reason we can't have Dark and Psychic Pokémon early in the game, having either would make it a walk in the park for the first few badges (Ghost also, that's ruled out too).
I don't think Pokemon games are meant to be challenging, so I'm not sure that's a primary consideration. Also Gastly is easily obtainable at the beginning of HeartGold/SoulSilver.
Rock type moves are in fact resisted by Ground types.
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There's a reason we can't have Dark and Psychic Pokémon early in the game, having either would make it a walk in the park for the first few badges (Ghost also, that's ruled out too).
I don't think Pokemon games are meant to be challenging, so I'm not sure that's a primary consideration. Also Gastly is easily obtainable at the beginning of HeartGold/SoulSilver.
It's not meant to be too easy either. Yeah, you can forget what I said about Ghost because it's the first generation games I had in mind that would make it monstrous to have in the beginning.
Its pretty obvious what Pokemon they'd make. Pokemon Gray, starring Kyurem or EarthRuby and OceanSapphire remakes which would be an amazing way to kick off the 5th generation. I think its fair for Ruby and Sapphire to get there own remakes. Yet Black and Whites ending left fans disappointed and have us wondering why more concepts were introduced, yet barely used. Gray is gonna fix every problem and make the perfect Pokemon game.
Its pretty obvious what Pokemon they'd make. Pokemon Gray, starring Kyurem or EarthRuby and OceanSapphire remakes which would be an amazing way to kick off the 5th generation. I think its fair for Ruby and Sapphire to get there own remakes. Yet Black and Whites ending left fans disappointed and have us wondering why more concepts were introduced, yet barely used. Gray is gonna fix every problem and make the perfect Pokemon game.
Don't you mean end the 5th generation? Grey would be the third version of Black and White, and the next generation wouldn't start until they did two new games for 3DS. If they remake generation 3, I think they should be called SunRuby and StormSapphire.
Streetpass stuffs and GTS Spotpass notifications would be really cool. I think that instead of mystery gift being an active thing (where you have to know about it, put in the game and go online) they make it passive and over Spotpass. I also think there should be some way to trade over Streetpass or maybe even get some "Streetpass exclusive" Pokemon in a similar way to how you could collect Pokemon on the pedometer using steps.
Or maybe, as some have said, streetpass battles. Where you walk past someone's team and you have the option to battle their team.
Psychic and Dark would be overpowered in the beginning of the game, it's why those types are reserved for the later gyms. Ironically, that's not the case with Fire and Ground themed gyms.
Yeah, Fighting/Dark/Psychic would never work because the first gyms are never of the Flying/Fighting/Bug type. They always include Ice/Steel/Ghost/Poison gyms early on so it'd just be too easy....... oh wait!
I don't think they'll move away from Grass/Water/Fire though because they're kinda elemental and traditional.
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Water, Electric, and Ground can work as the three new starter types to choose from.
Won't work. Water can be used to Electric type and it's normal effective, same with Ground to Water but Electric doesn't affect Ground. Won't work very well.
Except in the beginning, normal-type moves are usually what we begin with. With an Electric we won't begin with an electric move and having tackle for example, which is normal-effective even against ground. So it's still possible to win the first battle against your rival with any type. Then after the first battle, you get more Pokémon to be able to counter your rival's Ground-type. This is what we had to deal with in Yellow, with a Pikachu against Brock's Rock type.
As you began to talk about Yellow. First, take a look at Pikachu, an electric-type Pokémon who can't learn a normal-type physical move before it gets Quick Attack at level 13. There's other electric type Pokémon like it, if one of them wouldn't be able to start with, they should pick up those who could attack Ground types but then there's the fact that there are some Ground-types with Rock-type too so they should also consider that. And then there's also that they should be about the same with stats and have 3 Pokémon evolution line. Just to say, there's just 3 primary Ground-types with that kind of evolution line, one being Rhyhorn (half-rock, hard to attack with Tackle), second being Trapinch (evolutions half-dragon, not suitable for starter) and then there's Sandile (also with Dark-type, so it has a little advantage). And second, about that Brock's Rock-type. You can hit a Rock-type Pokémon with electric moves. It's the same Ground-type that makes them unusable.
Pikachu isn't likely to be an Electric starter in my proposed Electric/Water/Ground as starters, since it already was one. There does exist Electric Pokémon already beginning with a physical move, to come up with a new Electric Pokémon like that is no problem.
Bulbsaur started with two types, Grass and Poison. Charmander started with one type, but got Flying in its final evolution. So, despite there being only a few Pokémon that is purely Ground, it doesn't have to be. It also doesn't have to be coupled with Rock, like Fire can be coupled with Fighting for example (as is done with one of the starters). So far, there are Ground-type Pokémon coupled with an ice, water, dragon, bug, grass, fire, steel, poison, electric, flying, ghost, dark, or psychic type other than rock.
Stats of Pokémon starters actually become different from each other later in the game, although well-rounded and Ground-type can be made the same way no problem. At level 5 the difference is so minimal and in the first battle, one may have a slight edge in attack or defense, but that's why we can also use an utility move (Tail Whip or Growl).
Here again, took long time before I could answer as I had other things to do but first things first, I didn't say that it should be purely Ground-type but I mentioned that there are only 3 Pokémon with primary Ground-type. You mentioned many other types that Ground is part but it's secondary type. Then it wouldn't be Ground-Water-Electric as starters are picked by primary type, then it would be ???-Water-Electric and that doesn't work anymore. Then as I said already Rhyhorn isn't suitable starter because of the Rock-type. Then there's also the fact that you need to trade it to get Rhyperior. With Trapinch I said that Dragon-type isn't very well either. Dragon-type Pokémon are too powerful for a starter (although Trapinch isn't Dragon). Ever wondered why Charizard is Fire/Flying not Fire/Dragon, it looks just like a dragon. And then there's one more thing to consider when picking starters for a game. When do they evolve? Starters were made to evolve pretty much at the same time to make Rival battles fair, if you would want to keep it the same, you should find 3 Pokémon with 3 evolutions that evolve almost at the same time. Sandile is pretty good Pokémon for a starter although it knows Bite already at Lv. 5 but I leave it to you to find those two other starter Pokémon. And there's still that fact that Ground is immune to Electric so all of the things I've said were pretty much pointless as it's already pretty bad idea but I just somehow had to say all of this. I like to write something about things I know about and show it to others xD What if we just stick with the Grass-Fire-Water?
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Psychic and Dark would be overpowered in the beginning of the game, it's why those types are reserved for the later gyms. Ironically, that's not the case with Fire and Ground themed gyms.
Yeah, Fighting/Dark/Psychic would never work because the first gyms are never of the Flying/Fighting/Bug type. They always include Ice/Steel/Ghost/Poison gyms early on so it'd just be too easy....... oh wait!
I don't think they'll move away from Grass/Water/Fire though because they're kinda elemental and traditional.
Nothing against Fighting as a starter, but Dark and Psychic on the other hand... whichever one you pick, being disadvantaged at one gym even at the beginning of the game won't do much to counter that.
Agreed that Grass/Water/Fire will be kept due to tradition, but Water/Electric/Ground are just as elemental.
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Water, Electric, and Ground can work as the three new starter types to choose from.
Won't work. Water can be used to Electric type and it's normal effective, same with Ground to Water but Electric doesn't affect Ground. Won't work very well.
Except in the beginning, normal-type moves are usually what we begin with. With an Electric we won't begin with an electric move and having tackle for example, which is normal-effective even against ground. So it's still possible to win the first battle against your rival with any type. Then after the first battle, you get more Pokémon to be able to counter your rival's Ground-type. This is what we had to deal with in Yellow, with a Pikachu against Brock's Rock type.
As you began to talk about Yellow. First, take a look at Pikachu, an electric-type Pokémon who can't learn a normal-type physical move before it gets Quick Attack at level 13. There's other electric type Pokémon like it, if one of them wouldn't be able to start with, they should pick up those who could attack Ground types but then there's the fact that there are some Ground-types with Rock-type too so they should also consider that. And then there's also that they should be about the same with stats and have 3 Pokémon evolution line. Just to say, there's just 3 primary Ground-types with that kind of evolution line, one being Rhyhorn (half-rock, hard to attack with Tackle), second being Trapinch (evolutions half-dragon, not suitable for starter) and then there's Sandile (also with Dark-type, so it has a little advantage). And second, about that Brock's Rock-type. You can hit a Rock-type Pokémon with electric moves. It's the same Ground-type that makes them unusable.
Pikachu isn't likely to be an Electric starter in my proposed Electric/Water/Ground as starters, since it already was one. There does exist Electric Pokémon already beginning with a physical move, to come up with a new Electric Pokémon like that is no problem.
Bulbsaur started with two types, Grass and Poison. Charmander started with one type, but got Flying in its final evolution. So, despite there being only a few Pokémon that is purely Ground, it doesn't have to be. It also doesn't have to be coupled with Rock, like Fire can be coupled with Fighting for example (as is done with one of the starters). So far, there are Ground-type Pokémon coupled with an ice, water, dragon, bug, grass, fire, steel, poison, electric, flying, ghost, dark, or psychic type other than rock.
Stats of Pokémon starters actually become different from each other later in the game, although well-rounded and Ground-type can be made the same way no problem. At level 5 the difference is so minimal and in the first battle, one may have a slight edge in attack or defense, but that's why we can also use an utility move (Tail Whip or Growl).
Here again, took long time before I could answer as I had other things to do but first things first, I didn't say that it should be purely Ground-type but I mentioned that there are only 3 Pokémon with primary Ground-type. You mentioned many other types that Ground is part but it's secondary type. Then it wouldn't be Ground-Water-Electric as starters are picked by primary type, then it would be ???-Water-Electric and that doesn't work anymore. Then as I said already Rhyhorn isn't suitable starter because of the Rock-type. Then there's also the fact that you need to trade it to get Rhyperior. With Trapinch I said that Dragon-type isn't very well either. Dragon-type Pokémon are too powerful for a starter (although Trapinch isn't Dragon). Ever wondered why Charizard is Fire/Flying not Fire/Dragon, it looks just like a dragon. And then there's one more thing to consider when picking starters for a game. When do they evolve? Starters were made to evolve pretty much at the same time to make Rival battles fair, if you would want to keep it the same, you should find 3 Pokémon with 3 evolutions that evolve almost at the same time. Sandile is pretty good Pokémon for a starter although it knows Bite already at Lv. 5 but I leave it to you to find those two other starter Pokémon. And there's still that fact that Ground is immune to Electric so all of the things I've said were pretty much pointless as it's already pretty bad idea but I just somehow had to say all of this. I like to write something about things I know about and show it to others xD What if we just stick with the Grass-Fire-Water?
It's okay to take a long time, you're just living up to your name. The Ground-type starter can be a brand new Pokémon in itself so it doesn't have to be picked one out of only three pure Ground-types. Nowhere did I say that Rhydon is suitable. Something like Diglett with speed toned down and adjusted stats with an extra evolution is what I have more in mind of. I've said all those types that it can have a secondary as, not saying that all of them would work well, just that it doesn't have to be rock. In the game's intent, your starter shouldn't be your Pokémon of choice against your rival's because he will always pick the one that has a type advantage over yours and at the same time not impossible to win in the first battle where there's no real disadvantage. Again, there is no total immunity if the physical moves are kept nor would it be not-very-effective if the secondary type isn't rock. Or if any aren't kept, you should have other Pokémon in your arsenal that can have an advantage against your rival's starter type. It's a weak argument at this point considering it's going to be one of his five or six Pokémon, it's not going to make or break the game.
It's okay to take a long time, you're just living up to your name. The Ground-type starter can be a brand new Pokémon in itself so it doesn't have to be picked one out of only three pure Ground-types. Nowhere did I say that Rhydon is suitable. I've said all those types that it can have a secondary as, not saying that all of them would work well, just that it doesn't have to be rock. In the game's intent, your starter shouldn't be your Pokémon of choice against your rival's because he will always pick the one that has a type advantage over yours and at the same time not impossible to win in the first battle where there's no real disadvantage. Again, there is no total immunity if the physical moves are kept nor would it be not-very-effective if the secondary type isn't rock.
Time to shorten those quotes a little For those three Pokémon I mentioned, I just wanted to say some things about them that I forgot to say before. I knew that you wouldn't put Rhyhorn as a starter. No new Pokémon coming (except maybe some forms like in Platinum) for some time so I won't begin to talk about them. I also checked which Pokémon that has three-evolution-line and Ground type as primary or secondary type. Primary types I have said a couple of times so we know them already (and just to clarification, I saw the word pure Ground-type in that reply, only Trapinch is pure Ground-type from these three and their evolutions). Then there's those who have Ground as secondary type, Geodude (Rock/Ground), Swinub (Ice/Ground) and Gible (Dragon/Ground). But if we use them then it would be for example Rock/Water/Electric as Rock is Geodude's primary type (we don't say Poison/Fire/Water as Grass is Bulbasaur's primary type). I want still prove some other points why not to use them though. Geodude has the same thing as Rhyhorn, also needs trading to evolve into Golem. Swinub half Ice, also evolving to Mamoswine by learning Ancientpower. Gible half Dragon, pseudo-legendary, learns Dragon Rage at level 7 and Garchomp is just too good Pokémon.
Didn't write that much this time as I need to sleep again that's why I was so late First I slept and then went to school, then answered when back at home. And Late in my name doesn't really mean the English word late, it's just my nickname It's actually fun to talk about this type-thing with you, coming here when I wake up.
EDIT: Well Diglett with extra evolution would be a fine idea but the problem is that it's not going to get that evolution. I'm just trying to say that it wouldn't be possible with current Ground Pokémon. In my opinion, Sandile would be the only one to consider as a starter but even with it, it's not very well balanced as you have to take those two other types and find suitable "friends" for it. If we take two Pokémon that are like in Pokémon games currently, meaning that they know only something like Tackle or Scratch, then Sandile would be able to kill the other Pokémon in first battle very easily with more power and being able to flinch. I have not even once said anything about later rival battles cause it's the first one that you need to get working at first. If it doesn't work, it means that the trainer with the right Pokémon wins every time (despite rival's stupidity in first battle). Starters were also made balanced by giving them abilities that only makes their type moves better so it wouldn't be unfair so we also need to find Abilities that don't get other trainer an advantage. I have still some points to prove but I was thinking that maybe we should already stop talking about this as it's not leading anywhere. Both keep their own perspective and at the time this thread is filling with posts from us. What if we just call this a standoff and leave it here?
I wish you were "late" again this time because I've been editing a hundred times over. So I'll come back to your post later, after you notice the changes and maybe edit your post accordingly.
Psychic and Dark would be overpowered in the beginning of the game, it's why those types are reserved for the later gyms. Ironically, that's not the case with Fire and Ground themed gyms.
Yeah, Fighting/Dark/Psychic would never work because the first gyms are never of the Flying/Fighting/Bug type. They always include Ice/Steel/Ghost/Poison gyms early on so it'd just be too easy....... oh wait!
I don't think they'll move away from Grass/Water/Fire though because they're kinda elemental and traditional.
Nothing against Fighting as a starter, but Dark and Psychic on the other hand... whichever one you pick, being disadvantaged at one gym even at the beginning of the game won't do much to counter that.
Then make the Pokemon less powerful. I'd personally much rather have a Sawk on my team than a Solrock or Skuntank.
The only reason we think of Psychic as powerful is because in the first gen the only decent move that was super effective against it was Night Shade, which did a fixed amount of damage. The only Pokemon who was a strong ghost type who, if there was a strong Ghost move, would have evened things out was Gengar... who was weak to Psychic because of it's Poison typing. Infact the only weakness to the "sweep with Psychic" strategy was coming across a Psychic type Pokemon
Then we got Dark and Steel and decent Dark and Ghost type moves. In the last gen we got decent bug Pokemon which hurt the Dark and Psychic Pokemon again. So really at this stage in the game with the Pokemon around I really don't think Dark and Psychic are overpowered.... especially if there are strong Fighting, Bug and Ghost type Pokemon around.
On your Water/Electric/Ground starters the biggest problem is that Electric isn't resistant to Water and Water isn't resistant to Ground while Ground has a full immunity to Electric. Not really balanced. Fighting/Dark/Psychic isn't perfectly balanced (Dark is immune to Psychic but the rest just get weakness/resistance) but it's a lot better than Water/Electric/Ground
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