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Well, I can vouch that touch screens work without cover. I have an LG VU. I don't know if this is consistent with other touch screen phones but it is really imprecise. Sony obviously wants to make something meant to be used by fingers instead of styli. I've said it before the touch pad isn't really a new option for developers, it's really just another form of a touch screen. Not a game changer but it is a game enhancer.
@Waltzelf As you mentioned, Nintendo didn't invent the wheel(glasses free 3D, motion gaming, and touchscreens) but they did bring them to gaming.

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I think some companies have a weird definition of "affordable"

$1000 is "affordable" for me. Sony has never intended any of its products to be affordable for a kid saving pocket money, but for people with disposable incomes, for the most part, it is.

I also think some companies have a weird definition of "portable".

Laptops and iPads are both portable. Both are bigger and laptops are heavier than the NGP.

Do you not think that Sony should consider the financial capacities of all their buyers? Even kids and teenagers?

Plus, those are laptops. Not gaming handhelds. That is, of course, expected. And the iPad isn't too much of a gaming device either. I'm referring to portable gaming devices. Not just anything portable.

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turtlelink

323. Posted:

What you guys think is affordable and what Sony thinks is affordable are two different affordables.

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noblo601

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Despite the fact it is likely to be expensive, I can't see it being any more than $500 aud, which is like I dunno $350US ??? (not exchange rate but equivalent pricing structure). There is no way that they would make it anywhere near the $1000 mark like the PS3 was... Just won't happen.

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brooks83

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Yes, "affordable" is relative, but if it's too high people aren't going to buy it. Despite being cutting edge at the time, the 3DO launched at $699, and guess what, very few people bought it. The Sega Saturn launched at $399 and the PS1 launched at $299 not long afterwards, I think we all know which one sold more. Sony got cocky after the success of the PS1 and PS2 and thought consumers would buy anything they produced at any price, and clearly that backfired on them. The PS3 was a laughing stock it's first couple of years on the market and sent Sony scrambling to produce a cheaper model to get the price down, cutting out the backwards compatibility of PS2 games in the process.

So WaltzElf, I'm glad you can afford a $1000 console, but if history is any indicator, you'd be in a small group of owners. If Sony prices this any more than $299 I think they are gonna be in trouble.

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326. Posted:

noblo601 wrote:

Despite the fact it is likely to be expensive, I can't see it being any more than $500 aud, which is like I dunno $350US ??? (not exchange rate but equivalent pricing structure). There is no way that they would make it anywhere near the $1000 mark like the PS3 was... Just won't happen.

But if its not $1000, then who will boycott it?

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brooks83

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I think Sony's goal is to sell as many NGPs as possible, not to cater to a select few ultra rich gamers who don't mind spending upwards of $500 on a handheld gaming system. Obviously they won't be giving them away for some child's "pocket change", but to succeed they need to stay in a close range to their competition's price, which in this case is $249.

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noblo601

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Hahaha true, I can still remember working at Target for all the major console releases and whilst there were heaps of 360's and Wii's, the $1000 price tag on the PS3 meant there were like 2 or 3 people only that bought it. Way too expensive!

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Phobos wrote:

WaltzElf wrote:

lz20XX wrote:

I think some companies have a weird definition of "affordable"

$1000 is "affordable" for me. Sony has never intended any of its products to be affordable for a kid saving pocket money, but for people with disposable incomes, for the most part, it is.

I also think some companies have a weird definition of "portable".

Laptops and iPads are both portable. Both are bigger and laptops are heavier than the NGP.

Do you not think that Sony should consider the financial capacities of all their buyers? Even kids and teenagers?

Plus, those are laptops. Not gaming handhelds. That is, of course, expected. And the iPad isn't too much of a gaming device either. I'm referring to portable gaming devices. Not just anything portable.

Anything you can pick up and move easily is portable. Don't say iPad isn't much of a gaming device, I play on it more than my DSi XL, probably only because it's HD gaming on the go, though, so it will likely change when I get my 3DS. The PS3 was def marketed to the older generation, there is no reason it can't do that with the NGP, considering Nintendo already has the kids covered, it will focus on the older ones, make it look "cooler", and such, it's the only way to compete.

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noblo601 wrote:

Hahaha true, I can still remember working at Target for all the major console releases and whilst there were heaps of 360's and Wii's, the $1000 price tag on the PS3 meant there were like 2 or 3 people only that bought it. Way too expensive!

Was it ever $1000?

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331. Posted:

Opinions of PSP2 (NGP)

My opinion is that the PSP2 (NGP) is boring. It isn't innovative or interesting. Sony has yet again created another powerhouse device but forgot to add a soul and personality.

Sony did try this last time with the PSP, with Nintendo releasing a less powerful quirky handheld with a unique selling point. I think we all know what happened next.

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@brooks... Sony never "scrambled" to create a cheaper console. They predicted the sales to be lower until the technology caught up to where they could produce a cheaper model. They still today are constantly upgrading the guts of the PS3, making it more efficient and cheaper to produce. The Slim PS3 wasn't the beginning of Sony making a cheaper to build console.

$599 was the PS3 launch price, and it still sold completely out day one, and drove Ebay prices up to $2000, which in turn even caused Ebay to forbid the auction of PS3s on Ebay for a time because of the extreme demand for the console and the uber high prices the consoles were selling for.

@zez.... I think Waltz was high balling the dollar amount to prove a point. There are many gamers who are willing to pay top dollar for a portable gaming system if it's indeed got the power to back up the price. I expect it to be priced in the same range as the top dollar 64gb iPod Touch which is currently $365.

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turtlelink

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warnerdan wrote:

Opinions of PSP2 (NGP)

My opinion is that the PSP2 (NGP) is boring. It isn't innovative or interesting. Sony has yet again created another powerhouse device but forgot to add a soul and personality.
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No soul or personality? :P

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334. Posted:

I think people here are getting too hung up on price. No, shooting to be the cheapest is not alwasys the best business model, and selling fewer units than the competition is not the end of the world. There are fewer $1 million lamborghinis sold then $20000 toyotas, but lamborghini isn't 'losing' anything. Different markets.

So kids won't be able to buy the NGP. So it sells less than the 3DS. I still expect the NGP to be a successful, premium product.

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brooks83

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@slapshot82 - Of course it sold out day one. There are enough people out there who would pay any price to adopt new technology that it's gonna sell out at launch. But if you think that Sony wasn't dissapointed by the sales figures over the next year and a half than you are delusional. I can tell you that I saw a PS3 on the shelf long before I ever saw a Wii on the shelf. I understand there are other factors besides price that lead to a system selling well, but I would say price is probably the biggest factor.

@WaltzElf - Well Sony lost a lot of money with the PS3 it's first couple of years. I truly believe that it's poor sales during that time period really caught them off guard. I also never said being the cheapest is the best business model, but if you want to sell your products you have a competitive price point. Say what you will, but the 3DS is in the same market as the NGP. I don't believe Sony is catering their products only to the rich. I'm sure they would prefer to have a large market share.

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@waltzelf-
Comparing portable systems to cars is a little ridiculous. There has almost always been a market for the super-expensive cars like lamborghinis, but there has not always been a market (at least not a good market; look at the neogeo) for super-expensive video games. Besides, the price difference you mentioned was 50x, not 2 to 4x.

The NGP WILL be sold to children. When it comes to kids, and even to many young adults (not just teenagers but all the way up to around 24), price plays only a small role. Many people in that market don't have the money to spend even on a DSi. That said, they are able to indulge themselves because their parents pay for the stuff, or pay for other things, therefore freeing up the kids' income. Just because a 12 year old doesn't get a $50 allowance every week doesn't mean he won't end up with an expensive toy like the NGP. That's why the marketing of so many of these companies is so focused on this age group. Besides, let's face it, most people over 30 (and there certainly are exceptions) aren't that interested in buying an over-priced gadget just to play games while sitting in the waiting room. And many of those who do show such interest are not Sony's favorite group because they don't go and spend tons on games like a kid with his/her parents' money. I'm not saying people over 30 can't be hardcore gamers. After all, they were the original pioneers of gaming; the most hardcore ever! But the percentage of those original gamers who are still playing, and more importantly buying, is probably pretty small. And then, out of THAT percentage, how many would choose the NGP over the 3DS, made by Nintendo, who probably made many of their old favorites and are still making them today? The gamers who played NGP-like games back in the day were mostly computer gamers, and as such would probably still prefer to play on their computers if given the choice. I'd say the majority of NGP sales will, like the PSP sales before it, be to people between 12 and 25, most of which will be to kids.

P.S.- I should probably mention I consider anyone under 18 a kid...and even 18-25 year olds sometimes (though I myself am under 25).

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ROUND 1 DS vs. PSP::: ROUND 2 ::: wii vs PS3::: ROUND 3::: 3DS vs NGP
::::::::::::::::Winner:DS::::::::::::::::::::::: Winner:WII:::::::::::::::::::::: Winner:? cough 3DS cough

well thats the way i see it, but it could go either way.
I remember the PSP being "way better then the DS".
I remember the PS3 being "way better then the Wii".
So nothing really has changed.

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noblo601

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@zez - $1000aud was the pricein AUstralia, should have clarified.

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zezhyrule

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@noblo: Right, that would make more sense :3

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@brooks... I'm not delusional Lol, I was making the point that even at the $699 price, it still sold out and pushed over a million units in less than a month, and no I wasn't one of them buying day one, but I was for the Wii. Sony stated from the get-go that they knew that the PS3 wouldn't sell well right off the bat as nobody knew how to develop games for the system, and it would be a slow process. That said though, with the economy dropping out and the super innovative and cheap Wii hitting the market, it definitely slowed down the PS3 big time, and there is no denying that. ;)

@TruWiiMaster....Sony is dead-on with their target demographic. There are loads of guys my age, I'm pushing 30 myself, that will spend lots of money on high powered gaming devices. I know less guys my age and older who don't have a PS3/360 than do, and play games on a regular basis. Guys my age, especially the Not Core Gamers, sit and rant and rave about graphics, they don't give a crap about innovation and creativity in games. They want to shoot, race and play stuff in the best HD graphics they can find. They will spend whatever to get it too.

I have one other thing for you guys to think about concerning 3DS. It's $249 for a handheld in the US, and nearly $350 overseas in Europe. This itself is a very expensive portable gaming system itself. It will, just like PS3 did, blow out at first, but will it have a slow start until it receives a price drop. How many people are willing to but 1/4 grand in their young children's hands? Nintendo must know this as well, because the games line-up is currently around 80 games, and basically every game is geared at the core gamers, not children, and yes Nintendogs + Cats is played by teenage to older gamers as well Lol. It's just food for though and I'm curious to see what you guys think.

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